Kate Gosselin Leaves Her Mark As She Officially Opens Steve Irwin Day for the Australia Zoo
By Lily
Kate’s been lending a hand to the Australia Zoo. Well, actually, two of her hands. Kate has left her permanent mark as the Zoo’s special guest star by officially opening Steve Irwin Day 2011. Kate’s a star with the Zoo and they proved it by giving her one on their Walk of Fame. Above Kate’s name and under her star, Kate wrote: “Congrats on the Gr8 work!” Other celebs who have pressed their hands into the zoo’s cement include Steve Jacobs and Beau Bridges.
It’s been over five years since Terri Irwin lost her husband, Steve to a freak accident while snorkeling near a stingray. Daughter Bindi is now 13 and their son Robert will soon be celebrating his eighth birthday. Terri and the children have worked to carry on the family’s belief in conservation. Per the zoo’s website, “Our goal in 2011 is to continue to keep Steve’s dream alive; to celebrate the life of the one and only Crocodile Hunter and raise vital funds for Australia Zoo Wildlife Warriors.”
The celebration for Steve Irwin Day started with a Gala Dinner held on November 12. A lunch for nine with Kate was auctioned, as well as several other celebrity items including a guitar autographed by Taylor Swift and a signed pair of Nike’s that were custom made and presented by Nike’s CEO to Oprah during her last season. After the lunch, Kate tweeted: “Just finished auctioned luncheon w/ a bunch of amazing ladies….great company, food…& all 4 a great cause!!Grateful 4 another day here!”
On her previous trip to Australia, Kate fell in love with koalas and was visibly moved after holding one for the first time. After being told that the zoo hospital treats many koalas who often fall victim to car accidents or are attacked by dogs, Kate said “In that moment I decided I needed to do something to save koalas. And, I wouldn’t have even considered myself like overly animal activistish before. But, something just..I don’t know. You like catch the bug. And, when that happens, you should do something about it.” The funds raised on Steve Irwin Day go to the zoo’s hospital which cares for sick and injured wildlife.
Good luck to the Zoo and to Kate as the activities wind down. It sounds like a whirlwind of fun. I hope many pledges and donations were made to help the Australia Zoo continue its efforts in wildlife conservation.
Our special thanks to Mumbear for providing all of these pictures.
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Lily Doe has written for Imperfect Women since 2009. She has never been shy about sharing her opinion and enjoys writing on a variety of topics. Her life’s focus is sharing good times with family and friends. Lily can be contacted at Lily@imperfectwomen.com
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Thanks for the picture, Mumbear, and for keeping us updated on your trip to meet Kate via your Twitter feed.
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“animal activistish”- typical Katism. 😉
Great post and pictures. Is Kate on her way home now? I have not been keeping up with this story or people’s tweets at all on this.
Great post and great to see Kate helping the zoo raise funds! Thanks
Thanks mumbear for the pics and hope all had a great day raising funds for their Zoo.
Vicky-Remember how the haters mocked Kate’s enthusiasm about Australia Zoo and dismissed her promise to continue to help it doing its work as being yet another lie? Remember how we agreed that she could do all of that and they’d find other things to bitch about without the slightest hint that they realized their flip=flopping? Isn’t it nice to know that in an ever changing world, that there are some things one can count on? I’m glad that Kate’s having such a wonderful time with her friends, the Irwins. I think she’s really come to accept the truth of what Rick Nelson sang in “Garden Party”, “But it’s all right now, I learned my lesson well. You see, ya can’t please everyone, so ya got to please yourself.”
I have to admit I’m about as excited for Mumbear as I am for Kate. Such an extraordinary ‘Mum’, who seems to have gone quite a distance out of her own comfort zone to enjoy this adventure that is the Australia Zoo.
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Lily, I am so pleased you were given this exclusive. I enjoyed Mumbear’s tweets…& then I guess she had to put up the lock on her Twitter page, for reasons I can only imagine. ;0(
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Some very strong & determined women in those names of Terri, Kate…& Mumbear! Hoorah! (Add Bindi to that trio.)
Thanks, Mumbear! It’s so nice to have a first hand account!
Mumbear, that is an amazing picture of Kate feeding the crocodile, just WOW! I’m so glad both of my cyber BFFs got to make this trip to be a part of Steve Irwin Day 2011! Hope that someday in the future we’ll get to go back to Oz again and participate in a future celebration of the Crocodile Hunter’s life! 🙂 Crikey!
Thanks Lily for your reporting and Mumbear for the first hand account. Kate looks so happy in the photos. I saw her described as “radiant” elsewhere. It looks like Terri and Kate have really bonded, which I think is wonderful. I think they can both relate to life in the harsh spotlight.
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I would love to visit the Australia Zoo someday. That would be a dream.
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Peggy, you quoted one of my favorite songs and Rick Nelson’s words should be taken to heart by all of us who have sometimes succumbed to listening to everyone else’s opinions and ignoring what is in our own heart.
Anya-The song is one of my absolute favorites. I think Kate’s also smart enough to know that nothing she will ever do will satisfy the haters. Last year, they had the vapors over her taking the kids out of school and away from their father and that made her a bad mother. This time, the kids stayed home AND with their father, and know the haters are attacking her for abandoning her children.
I’m also getting tired of her being described as cash-strapped because she expressed some trepidation as to their financial future when the show ended. Unless you come from inherited wealth or are Joe Paterno (apparently his pension figures are massive), most human beings feel apprehension on losing their jobs, even if they have considerable money put aside. In Kate’s case, the reality of it is that, unless Jon takes major steps to increase his earning capacity, she is going to have to be the primary financial support of her children. That is not calling Jon a dead beat. That would be the case with Jon paying the maximum child support under PA guidelines and paying it on time.
Did anyone see the latest article in HollyBaby? I read at Sage’s that someone said the Jon tweeted this article is not true. I wonder what part is not true? 😉
Also, what is up with that ROL story yesterday? How old was that information? I think it is pretty clear that Steve does not travel with Kate in the capacity of a bodyguard anymore. I think in the People magazine she said he would remain as a “Road Manager.”
I think it is ridiculous to think that she needs a “road Manager”. How stupid does she think the public is? They are a couple, plain as day. She should just admit it and move on.
Road manager? She isn’t a rock star or celebrity who has a “tour” she is on and needs a manager. She is an ex reality star that has delusions of being a talk show host. She doesn’t have the skill set to talk about anything but herself. She can’t even promote her events correctly, she got the date wrong for the ONE event she was going to be appearing at.
TC,
Who cares!! It’s none of your business, nor mine. If they are a couple, which I think you really want them to be, Jon will surely have some troubles in life ahead of him wouldn’t he?? Never mess with the whateva!! Sorry, road managers travel all the time with clients. There are crazies out there. Promoting her schedule for you is so silly, stalkers do not need to know every move.
OK snickers, you run with that theory. Sounds like you are admitting you believe they are a couple. Who cares? Well, probably all the “fans” who will have to create a new excuse on why it is now OK that she broke up a marriage and that she was never really cheating, way back when Jon said he was uncomfortable with the “bodyguard”.
I could care less if she is doing him or not. I am more interested in how the drama blogs will spin it when the truth is exposed. Or how the fans will spin it. The “haters” of course will be saying “I told you so” and would have every right to since the “fans” have tried to paint the haters as crazy when they said that Kate and Steve were a couple.
Road managers may travel all the time, with bands or celebs who are actually on a “tour”. Kate went to Australia. She spoke at a University. She works at an Online coupon company. She has no need for a road manager. Since she changed his title from Body Guard to Road Manager, there is no need to say he is protecting her from “fans” and that really is a very weak excuse. There are tons of REAL celebs who appreciate the fans (not just stoke them on Twitter) who don’t need a body guard (or road manager).
As always the VOICE OF REASON appears to put a damper on all things Kate.
Hey! TC, what are you thankful for?
a couple of facts that we were privy to during the gosselin divorce-some coming from the “hater” mouths-the house k+8 live in cost something like 1.2 million with a 400,000. down payment and a 10 year mortgage for the balance of approx. 700,000. which makes a MONTHLY mtg payment of 6,000.00 +int. plus a property tax of at least 10,000 a year. which means that the house costs 7 to 8 thousand a month. the car deal was that kate bought the van for 70,000. which came out of her half of the dividable funds. she traded that van for another van and the sports car. jon got his half of the funds and leased cars.jon should really hope that kate finds gainful employment that pays a lot since added to those their private school costs 6 or 7 thousand a month. tc aren’t we glad you’re not managing kates finances? YES!
Did anyone see another picture of Steve & Kate? The only one I saw was less than a profile. Have to say but for the arms…that man w. Kate could be my husband…full profile & full-face – NOT so much. I’m not convinced this is Steve…! If it is…he surely is much closer to his NZ family than Potomac, MD!
Too freaking silly to guess HOW coupon-clipping Kate could afford this trip…much less anything else. If I had one shot as a guess…someone sponsored her trip. Coupon Cabin is not some struggling company…nor do the rags bother to pay attention to what Kate’s job there consists of – sounds like a perfect filler that would still allow her to do something MAJOR?
For years the haters have said Kate and Steve are a couple yet there’s been no solid proof other than an over active imagination! No one picture, not one story from Gina or Gina’s friends. The only one to make a statement about it being so has been Jon. That says a lot.
Geeze Tc, pick pick pick.
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I have read so many times “why does Kate need security?” I’ve also said that I believe it’d be great if every woman could have a bodyguard. Anyway, I googled celebs and bodyguards. This is kind of cute from TMZ and was posted back in April. Guess the celeb bodyguard.
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http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/10/guess-whose-body-guard-celebrity-staff-photo-gallery-pictures/#.TsP0vlbXTbg
Lindsey, not sure how your financial breakdown of Kates alleged expenses has anything to do with my comments, and you are thankful I am not managing Kates finances?? Not 100% sure, but somewhere in your breakdown, there should be a donated van (not paid for by either).
A few facts that may or may not be true/confirmed and we know that every article or item discussed on the web is factual and thoroughly researched, right?
Tc, Your address to me #23 should be to another as I have never made any comment to anyone anywhere about anyone’s finances, however, if their paychecks were signed over to me I would comment everywhere by saying, “thank you.?”
I merely asked what you are thankful for this season!
TC you should write Kate and Steve and tell them all about how they should run their lives. I’m sure they’ll really care and take all your suggestions seriously. Maybe they’ll even send you an autographed picture!
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People who ‘don’t care’ about such things don’t talk about them quite as much or as frequently as you do. It’s just silly to claim you don’t care.
TC,
I never admitted they were a couple. I said you wanted them to be a couple!! I see you have always overlooked the 4-5 women Jon had in a year, spending wildly, lavish apt. sportscar, and now you fail to mention a TV dropout for no chance in the media again. If he is selling a leaked story, for a few bucks, says way more about him than what Kate is doing. He’s pouting, Kate is still in the media. As for having a road manager or bodyguard, many private citizens have them without the knowledge out in the public. I remember Jon had a bodyguard/pap with him for several outings when he thought he had a chance to BS the public.
Sorry Lindsey. That should have been addressed to Ruth Richardson, #19. My apologies!
Tc,
Your drama blog is isteresting!! I’m glad the IW gals have more going for them ,than just bashing kate, kids will illness, and putting out false info on posters. Yep, can we say who spins it best!!
IF it came out that Kate and Steve were a couple, haters should have as much issue with it as they did when Jon was the married man off with someone other than his wife.
#25, when was the last comment made by me (I’m sure you have it documented) about Kate & Steve being an item? Typical, don’t like a comment, just over blow it and make it sound like it has been discussed without pause, repeatedly. Again, if she having her some “Kiwi” every night, good for her. Why would they autograph a picture together? He isn’t the “celebrity”.
Snickers, not sure why you think that is my blog. I comment there every so often. Doesn’t mean I am a “fanatical” commentor who chooses to blog there and other places and changing my name as I comment. If you don’t like what they say, why do you read there?
#29, depending what you believe or what is factual vs. rumor, Jon & Kate had an agreement that involved him “going along” with filming and he could date (a signed agreement?). I’m not saying I believe one or the other, but it did sound plausible and Stevie ol boy was there right in the thick of things.
Who said anything about an autographed picture of them together? Wishful thinking?
TC,
Contact Kate or if you want the cheap version, ask Jon! Jon’s been getting his “Kiwi” from others for a few years now. LOL.
Marnie, do you even read what you type? Check YOUR comment #25.
Snickers, HUH? What I see here is bringing Jon into the discussion in a screwy attempt to support Kate. My opinion was Kate and Steve were a couple, and you and few others have to bash Jon (again) about BS that happened 2 FRIGGEN years ago. Kate’s is ongoing, current and therefore open for discussion.
I read the article at Hollybaby, snickers how do you feel that jon is upset about taco tuesday or farmville? The “fans” are saying Jon is pissed, I don’t see how they interpret that article to say Jon is pissed. How much of it is true (didn’t he tweet something that disputed the article?).
This is called Gosselin Chatter. We have always allowed an open discussion under our threads here.
Pam, I guess people would rather complain to you when they have no logical debate or come back to someone’s opinion.
No one has complained to me.
My bad, I read between the lines of your comment # 38. I’m assuming there has been some point when posters have complained to IW about my comments and allowing me to comment here.
Never in an email to me.
TC,
You have no proof about Steve and Kate, blowing bs is your game. Jon proved his actions right out to the public. You keep bring up everything from 2 FREAKING years ago about Kate. Fair game!!
2 FRIGGEN years ago. Kate’s is ongoing, current and therefore open for discussion.
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Why do you think you can dictate which topics are open for discussion?
TC,
Hollybaby- don’t read or comment there.
Oh my, I can’t believe my eyes! Jon & Kate had a ‘signed agreement’…go along w. the show & have what I believe is now called ‘an open marriage’? I think I 1st read about that on ROL over 2 yrs. ago…someone named Jibber Jabbers floated that as fact! On the face of it…Jon Gosselin really believed he could bypass the usual ‘morals clause’ of TLC w/ his blatant womanizing b/c he’d been given LEGAL permission by Kate? I’ve heard of DUMB, but this beyond just dumb, it’s disgracefully ignorant.
The Brooklyn Bridge is STILL for sale.
As for Steve & Kate…Steve Neild would NOT have the company he has if there was a HINT of impropriety. ABSURD to speculate…! I don’t believe Steve would have allowed any of his comments recorded IF it would come back to bite him. That RV trip…pretty much said it all. He did sound like a big brother! Most important – NO WAY would this go on under the nose of 8 children!!! It’s quite enough to have their father parade his own lack of moral clarity @ their expense.
Ah, and so the voice of reason appears. @#46
You must check this out
https://imperfectwomen.com/red-cross-philly-tweets-artistic-picture/
I’m not dictating what is talked about. I made a comment about Kate and steve and there is no way he is simply the Body guard, er road manager. Then people starting bringing up BS about Jon from 2 years ago to support Kate.
Not sure what you are talking about in comment #43. What I said about Kate is current, you are the one who brought up 2 year old BS.
#46 – Sure, and all the stuff at Penn State never would happen in such a highly regarded program, right?? ANYTHING can and does happen that shocks people all the time. Steve’s relationship is so inappropriate. To say he is like a brother? NOW THAT IS LOL funny and blissfully ignorant.
TC,
Jon just had a little story out there again, didn’t you say it was on Hollybaby?? Of course he denied it according to you, but why would they run a story now if he wasn’t in on it. That’s a few days ago I assume, not 2 years ago. So if he is tweeting about it, that would be CURRENT. 🙂
Jesus, just take a Valium and go to bed. It’s getting out of hand.
Y’all know who I meant that for.
TC-to drag the PSU scandal into your obsession regarding Steve & Kate is a new low even for you. No matter how the PSU scandal ends many lives will have been destroyed or damaged. It’s a horror show and a tragedy & the victims deserve better than to be used as props by you. It’s also a cop out as an argument. You can use it to make any wild claim without the slightest regard for truth or falsity
HB – As usual, well said. After watching Inside Kate’s World I also believe Steve is like a big brother to Kate.
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tc – You have NO personal knowledge of Kate and Steve’s relationship so you need to stop acting like you do. There has NEVER been an inappropriate picture of them so get your mind out of the gutter. BTW, Jon started that rumor to try and get the tabs off his back when he was caught out barhopping and doing the walk of shame leaving Deanna’s apartment early one moring when Kate was away working.
Snickers,”Although Jon is thrilled to have the kids, our source goes on to tell us that Jon is annoyed that Kate waits until the last minute to tell him about her trips and it really puts him “on the spot” since he works a 9-5 job.” Thats the extent of what was said by a source about Jon. There is no mention he sold anything or actually talked to anyone about this trip Kate took.
Peggy – Oh Please, I didn’t go into graphic details about anything or “drag the scandal” into this. It was a simple example of how shocking things happen even in places you wouldn’t ever expect to see them. What is that saying the “fans” love.. Talk about pearl clutching..
HB – Of course I have no personal knowledge, thats why it’s called an opinion or speculation or simply gossip. The Big brother comparison is just ignorant and stupid.
Sadie – Did you mean that for me? Why, because I am getting some “fans” upset? You would like that huh? Me go away and everything would be wonderful and peaceful in Kate Idol-land? You know there are blogs you could read where there is nothing but love and praise and cume-by-ya’s around the campfire. If what I say upsets you or irritates you, try reading at your home blog.
Here’s a thought for TP and his/her crony friends to consider, LOL. Mind you, I didn’t get to watch the Australia Zoo Steve Irwin Day live, so I don’t know the chronological order of events for sure, but going by the time the pictures were published–Mumbear posted her picture of Kate feeding a rat to hat huge crocodile first…then awhile later ROL published that unsubstantiated gossip article where Kate was sitting next to her, and her face is literally glowing with excitement…
Um, the woman just nearly got her arm bitten by a giant crocodile (the guy helping her in the picture has jerked her arm way up in the air) which, I don’t know about most people, but I believe my adrenaline would have been racing OUT OF CONTROL not only for that moment but probably the rest of the day! Sorry, haters, I think y’all are dead wrong about that look of excitement on Kate’s face being for Steve; I believe that picture was raken not long after she fed that crocodile and she was still reacting to the experience. But if y’all want to believe/hope/wish for Steve to become the kids’ new dad, I got nothing against that, LOL. He’d be a GR8 father figure in their lives! ON A REGULAR DAILY BASIS. Oh, wait, I think he already is! 😉 still think that’s not what’s happening, but if it is? WHATEVAH. NOMB! 😉
Kate was sitting next to Steve, sorry!
Typos galore, sorry, it’s late, I think y’all can figure it out, LOL.
The haters need for the Kate and Steve rumor to be true, it validates their irrational and illogical thought process
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Wah wah poor Jon would have to juggle child care while he works? Boo friggin’ hoo. That’s what single parents around the world do, he can suck it up (isn’t that what the haters tell Kate). She’s travelling for work, haters may not like her work, but she’s working.
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He also cries about not having them and not being allowed to have them…… Careful what you wish for Jon boy.
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I hope Holly Baby is wrong and Jon is loving it, maybe he’ll take them more often.
TC,
I think it’s funny about all things Jon with you!! LOL
Jon whined/cried about Kate leaving him with HIS kids years ago while she went on a book tour that was bringing in MONEY for the whole family.
Jon is always complaining whats new?
After all this time here is what I know about the Steve/Kate rumor. I do not believe it for one second. I do not believe that with all of the paps, all of the stalkers that there is no evidence of a ship. This would be the biggest pap $ of all time. There is a pap photo of John Travolta kissing a man on the lips for heaven’s sake and there is no picture of Steve/Kate? No, because it doesn’t exist.
So to try to believe it after all this time is like believing in Santa Clause.
I do not understand why some people feed off of hatred.
What sane person would walk into a crowd of people that are wearing fan t-shirts, and start berating them for their enjoyment of that particular celebrity’s work? No sane person would, that’s who. So why on earth do haters thinks it’s perfectly acceptable to log on and post diatribe after diatribe against a celeb, to his/her fans?
If you don’t like Kate Gosselin, or the way she lives her life and raises her children good for you, as everyone is entitled to an opinion. So unless your name is Jon Gosselin, click unfollow and go off and live a peaceful, and happy life never again having uttered the name Kate Gosselin, (as he is the *only* one that has a right to express his opinion to her on the way their children are raised). If you don’t/won’t/can’t do that, and you continue to not only bully and verbally abuse the woman herself, but also her fans, you are psychotic and are in immediate need of professional intervention.
I log onto twitter(which I only use to follow celebs I’m interested in) and myself and others are repeatedly bullied and berated with the foulest of language for simply posting a positive comment on Kate’s twitter feed. How is this not cyber stalking and harassment? I refuse to go away because I’m stubborn, and frankly, I’m pretty high up on the food chain and not accustomed to putting up with a whole lot of crap from others, but I’m thoroughly disgusted with the people that run Twitter.
How in the world is Twitter allowed to continue to operate if they allow this to occur without anything in place to prevent it? Simply saying just ignore (block) them doesn’t work when you say it to children being bullied in the school yard, and it doesn’t work in a social media platform either.
No one knows the age,level of sensitivity/maturity,emotional fragility, or anything really about the folks that post on Kate’s twitter, and yet the abuse is allowed to continue. The vile comments posted towards Kate and her fans definitely passed the border of gossip or constructive criticism, and into the land of felony cyber-stalking and harassment ages ago. Why is no one taking action?
How can we tell our children it’s not OK to log onto their school-mates facebook or Twitter account, and post bullying, and harassing statements that may possibly cause a suicide or, another Columbine incident, when they can log onto any celebs public account and see grown adults who *should* know better, do the very same thing we tell them not to?
I’ve come to realize the pathetic high school “mean girls” never really grow up. They have found a new outlet for their abuse and aggression and it ends with .com……
Thank you for allowing me a forum to vent my frustration.
WELL SAID LISA!
BRAVO LISA, ITA !
Lisa, you are saying the same thing that is repeated over and over and over by “fans” of kate and other reality celebs and even some main stream celebs. The problem is that no amount of grandstanding or soapbox speeches is going to change the law. The law doesn’t condemn or lockup people for saying “mean” things or posting on blogs and saying things that ruffle the feathers of fans. Just look at Selena Gomez, she is a mainstream celebrity who has a stalker that has told people he wants to kill her and the judge said there isn’t sufficient evidence he wants to kill her???
If you read the comments and tweets and blogs, there are a LOT of fans who are “worried” for Kate or want to “defend, get Kates back” and rise up against all the haters. Well, I say go for it, because in the end I’m not sure who looks the bigger fool, the Haters or the Fans. Spending time to hate, bully, threaten, push, or spending time to hate, name call, stalk or bully. They pretty much are the same and don’t amount to much except provide entertainment and fodder for each “side”.
Who knows, maybe she and Steve are a couple. He’s certainly and UPGRADE from Jon:))
Lisa…you do ‘vent’ very well! Hopefully some ‘talent’ will reinvent the wheel when it comes to Twitter. Then again…there have been morons & bullies way before modern technology. It’s the hiding behind evil w. fake names that is the unfortunate magnet for…pond scum.
I was going to comment about Steve Neild’s Prudential Securites…they DO forensics. While Kate was an employee of TLC, I’d be surprised IF Steve was NOT aware of internet activities. Who knows….perhaps there remains some sort of contractual agreement in place that still provides Kate & the 8’s security thru’ her agent’s company. ‘Road manager’ is part of security details.
People can slap you on the back all day and say “bravo”, etc. When some of these people go to other blogs and “support” Kate with their own version of hate or picking on or name calling or childish elementary school yard behavior it just weakens their integrity and reliability as a sane person.
Turns out that in MN if you say mean things on line that are meant to cost someone their income you have to pay them money. And just this week if you are in high school (which I assume most of the Kate twitter haters are since their spelling is poor and their logic very immature) in MN and you say mean things – you will be suspended on the first offense.
@tcparra. I don’t disagree with you that the law allows it, but it doesn’t make it right. You’re correct that responding in kind isn’t wise either. I’m not speaking out as a fan of Kate Gosselin. I’m speaking out as the mother of a little girl who has to grow up in this harsh and uncaring climate we’ve created, and maybe if enough people speak up the law will change.
Everyone needs to toughen up to an extent, but social media is a whole ‘nother ball game. These kids live online, and no amount of scoffing at it by us old folks is going to change that. We post anonymous comments and don’t think anything of it, because to us…all this is fake. It’s a trivial escape from a hum drum reality, or a quick “coffee” break.
To the next generation of kids this is where they live, and they can’t escape if they’re being harassed and bullied. It’s not like years ago when if you where given a hard time at school, you came home to the relative comfort and security of your friends and family and no one knew. Now, these kids get picked on and it follows them home and *everyone* knows, and *sometimes* the shame of it kills them or others.
We adults need to set a better example, or we are going to be raising some cold hearted and bitter people. I don’t know about you, but those are not the kind of people I want giving me my sponge bath in the old folks home, or deciding what to do about my social security…..
#67, yea but the part that fans and kate cannot accept is without Jon, there never would have been a passel of kids and no show. I can see now how the justification will look when the kiwi hits the fan: “well, at least he is an upgrade” or “he is so good with the kids and very father like” or “he has stood by Kates side through thick and thin” or “he is such a strong person, much more suited for Kates personality” or …???
@ Marie S. That’s great someone is trying to regulate this (so sad they have to), but I disagree with you about one thing. Not all off them are uneducated bumpkins, and that makes them even more dangerous and hurtful. I’ll admit, at first I fell into the trap of getting angry and saying mean things right back, not necessarily in defense of Kate, but more in defense of common decency. I soon realized it was pointless and only fed into their game. Now, if I see it, I’ll call them out on their bad behavior (without adding @kateplusmy8 in the reply, because that’s what they want…for her to see it), but I won’t be a @itch back at them. They’re not worth my integrity or self respect.
Lisa, I am also not saying that it’s ok either. Hate isn’t easily determined by comments or content. Viewing opinions or comments that differ from the majority as vile or mean spirited is just silly, uneducated and really just an example of this generations lack of education.
Lisa,
While I agree, it’s also parents responsibility to control their kids on FB, twitter etc. Some of us probably didn’t grow up with all the so called social perks these kids have these days, but kids took it out on each other on a playground etc., and didn’t run to the internet and post hour after hours of horrible tweets about that person. Of course, those that hide behind the twitter, always cry victim when called out. When you feed the troll, it only gets worse. Learn to be the better person and just ignore them. Misery loves company!!
TC, who cares about rumors, you live and breath them.
#72. I don’t condone infidelity, but I never got my panties in a wad about Jon cheating, or Clinton either for that matter. It’s not my business. What happens between a husband and a wife is their concern, and theirs alone. The Gosselins are divorced, c’est la vie. Time for the rest of us to back off about it. If she is or is not in a relationship with her employee, that is for his wife to concern herself with not us.
I don’t know where you’re getting that Kate thinks that without Jon there would still be a “passel” of kids. Do you know her? Has she confided in you? Otherwise you’re just speculating based on gossip. Or you may have seen something I have not. Have I seen her get a little eye rolly, and make the occasional snide comment? Yup, just like every other divorcee I know that’s nursing their wounds, and he’s just as,if not more so, as guilty of it as she. Maybe it’s time “fans” and “haters” alike stopped fueling the speculation. Live and let live people…
Snickers, can you say anything that isn’t just sarcastic & actually makes a point? My opinions are not rumors. I don’t go around the web changing my name and saying these things. I express my beliefs and you don’t like them.
Lisa, I said that without Jon, there wouldn’t have been the passel of kids. She may have had some with somebody else, but then who knows where the reality show or Kate herself would be today.
Lisa, I wasn’t saying that you condone infidelity. Sorry if my comment came across that way. I was expressing the comments that the “fans” would start using if the affair did come to life and became fact.
TC,
Are you throwing darts now?? Wow!!
Hater logic really does amuse me. Where else in life would anyone ever spend time or energy on something they proclaim they don’t like? Something that obviously annoys and irritates them so much?
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Aside from spending time with ‘those’ family members, you know the ones I’m talking about, who would subject themselves to people they don’t like? Who would the proclaim to care so deeply about said person’s kids? That’s THE most ridiculous excuse for bad behavior. The kids likely won’t be thankful for being used that way either.
I can say BRAVO to whatever comment I like. Lisa deserved a BRAVO!
If that lame comment was directed to me ?
I do not HATE or call anyone a childish name nor do I stalk anyone ~ so someone should re check that crystal ball.
Crazy coincidence…my niece is traveling in southeast Asia and Australia for college. She was at the Australia Zoo the day that Kate was there. Kate was horrible to her and her friends….Sorry haters,got you going didn’t I :). Actually, she was very nice and had her picture taken with my niece and her friends. It only cost a $20.00 love offering. Seriously, it was free. Now don’t start stalking my niece. She is not Kate crazy, just was in the right place at the right time.
No CoCo, I think it was directed at me, but that’s ok(and thanks). I’m not going to argue with someone I don’t know, over someone neither of us is acquainted with. I’m not going to look for meanings that may, or may not be in another’s words
Wendy, I like your sense of humor~ LMAO
Lisa said…I’m not going to look for meanings that may, or may not be in another’s words
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BRAVO and LOL !
She really did get a great picture with her. I have never talked to my niece about the show Jon and Kate plus 8. I didn’t know she new who they were. She was emailing us and keeping us up to date on her travels and said the Australia zoo was awesome and she got to see “that Kate plus 8 lady minus Jon”..too funny!
“knew’ not “new”…I do know the difference, although my intelligence will be questioned anyway because I do not believe that Kate is the root of all evil.
Wendy,
Kate minus Jon, LOL. Glad your niece enjoyed the Zoo, and hope they raise lots of money for their continueing programs there. Duck when someone reads your post. 🙂 Thanks for sharing.
Lisa,
I usually do just ignore it~ but # seemed to be upset that I gave you a BRAVO.
I should of kept my ignore on~ Even though I knew better I slipped up.
Wendy, I hope your niece said there were a ‘passel’ of Kate fans there to support the cause! ;0)
That is too cool, Wendy. I live within driving distance of Kate and have never met her. Your niece gets to meet her half way around the world!
That is very nice, Wendy. She better keep that picture off Twitter. 😉
Wendy, that was so funny. Hope your niece is having a good time.
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Again, thanks to Mumbear for sharing her pics w/us. There were several of us that enjoyed her tweets from the Gala Dinner and her visit to the zoo.
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Kate twittered last night that she had returned home and just a little while ago she tweeted :
..reflecting back on my amazing X at @AustraliaZoo showing my kids pics&telling every story about everything I did..they want2know it all!
Coo Coo, too bad you took it so personal. I didn’t call you out directly or anything, get over it.
I was talking about the way people comment on different blogs is something. I wasn’t specifically talking about anyone. The drama blogs have their fans as well as the sane blogs, sometimes these blogs share the same fans.
Sorry CoCo, not trying to be funny by misspelling your name.
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November 17, 2011 at 11:31 am
People can slap you on the back all day and say “bravo”, etc. When some of these people go to other blogs and “support” Kate with their own version of hate or picking on or name calling or childish elementary school yard behavior it just weakens their integrity and reliability as a sane person.
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TCparra says:
November 17, 2011 at 9:42 pm
Coo Coo, too bad you took it so personal. I didn’t call you out directly or anything, get over it.
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TCparra says:
November 17, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Sorry CoCo, not trying to be funny by misspelling your name.
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LMAO!!!!!!!!
So what is your point coco? Glad I could make you laugh.
tc i think it could be an enlightening study if you could become just a reader of your and all these other folks that comment on this site. if you were open minded you without looking for would find that your comments are arrogant. you make a comment then you make another comment bashing anybody that didn’t agree with you then follow with instructions on how the blog should be run and how your comments are not to be criticised, blah, blah ,blah. don’t say it if you don’t mean it, don’t criticize any of our interpretation of your comments. you would do well to consider that if others are taking your statements wrong then maybe you need to ask yourself how you can be clearer.
My comments are anti-kate and you don’t like them, too bad. I don’t tell the admins how to run this site. I don’t bash anyone who disagrees and provides their spin, so I’m not sure where you get that. Everybody should stick to defending Kate and not telling me how wrong I am when I comment or that I live and breath rumors, blah, blah.
ruth…hurrah!
tc, I don’t think you really understand polite, tolerant, witty & open minded women…who just happen to have a brilliant blog!
Not liking Kate Gosselin pales in comparison to your eagerness to have at it w. a few select few you seem to shadow. I’d think you’d do very well having your own blog w. a ‘Point, Counterpoint’ & play both sides. You seem to have such a good time arguing w. yourself. ;0)
Sure I am arguing with myself, thats why every time I comment there are at least 5 comments to my one telling me to go somewhere else, stop trying to run this blog (and not by any admins), etc, etc. I don’t play both sides of the issue, I say things about Kate that upset some. I only laugh at the absurdity of those who post here and “clutch their pearls” then go to other blogs and whine about me or how much I have “messed up this blog”.
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I think she likes so much attention and discussing Kate gives her a format for people to see her. Funny how all the subjects that IW has to offer, it’s Kate that seems to own her. 🙂
Well snickers, your comments border on school yard silliness so I guess at least I am commenting on things vs. “supporting” Kate by whining about everything I comment on like you do.
‘Messed up this blog’?…Lots of luck there! YOU LOVE the attention you gather. ‘border on school yard silliness…whining’? Your words don’t need parsing. Please be sure to state WHEN ‘border’ becomes measurable.
snickers…can’t wait ’til you get your fingers back in that rich soil for some more gardening. ;0)
TC,
School yards are bullies and cowards. At least I play fair, something you seem to be lacking. Any question about Jon you deflect, too obvious, planting your comments for pure joy for yourself or speaking for others.
HB,
I agree–holiday baking soon!! My bucket list is very full!! :)))
# 99 PAY ATTENTION NOW~ You accused someone ?
Of childish behavior ~ your comment to me you called me coo coo.
Then you made another comment to make sure I understood that the CHILDISH name coo coo was NOT meant to be funny.
Do you NOT see the Hypocrisy in your comments?
I bet your next comment will be you TRYING to twist my response into you are a victim Kate hater~ LMAO
Kate’s new blog post about Honey the koala was very sweet. It felt very heartfelt. I enjoyed it and was glad to hear that little Honey is being released back into the wild. Good ending to a nice story!
TCparra
November 17, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Sorry CoCo, not trying to be funny by misspelling your name.
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I was being real and no sarcasm there. I realized that I keep adding the extra o and I didn’t mean to. If you can’t accept my apology, then I guess thats the way it is. What is a victim Kate hater? Is that the same as a fanatic jon hater? I see your comments elsewhere, just as you see mine. I stand by what I said about bloggers who comment elsewhere and what they say or the content/context of their messages and how it varies.
Commenting on other blogs using the same name but w. a discernible difference in tone…would, on the face of it, indicate that blog owners are different…as are their blogs.
CoCo…those extra o’s are, of course, just a slippery finger. Antagonists kid only themselves when thinking of an endgame when trying so hard to deceive.
having nothing better to do on a saturday night, i just confirmed my feeling that while tc posted more than 30 times out of 111 posts i learned nothing new or interesting. don’t believe ANYBODY could type coo coo instead of coco and while you know that jon has a good job i would be interested in knowing where doing what. maybe you could put that in one of your posts. any little tidbits of of good information concerning jon i would be interested.
ruth,
No need to ask TC questions about poor Jon, she never answers anything about him.
Ha ha. Everybody is a comedian. What in the heck would I know about Jon. What questions do you think I could answer about him? He isn’t in the public eye doing stupid things that lots of people question. It isn’t just “haters” that scrutinize Kate and what she does. I’m not really sure how you are supporting Kate by questioning the number of times someone comments or if they “answer” a question. I NEVER pretended to know and love Jon. I only support him when you try and distract from the current stupid thing Kate does by bringing up BS that happened 2 years ago, and counting. The “fan” blogs have their own level of hypocrisy when they say they don’t hate, but then question someone’s sexuality who is in a relationship with Jon or use old footage to enhance their obsession with Jon and how “terrible” a father he is, etc, etc.
Before Ms. Ross had time to take down her FB page when Jon 1st introduced her to the paps at the Green Turtle…the comment in re. to her ‘sexuality’ was brought up by one of her own ‘friends’. As in ‘I didn’t know you were dating men now..’ [sic] Sadly for her that became folly, just as it did for Hailey – who had a college friend claiming Hailey swung both ways. Hey, I can expand that to Ms. Gosselin & claims she & Jamie were ‘lovers’. No boundaries when it comes to internet RUMOR & taking it for a joy ride that in some minds – becomes TRUTH.
By the way…’relationship w. Jon’? Hmmm, that is a quaint terminology for shacking-up. I hope they do better w. trying to explain to the 8…just how such a relationship works. Who knows, maybe by the time the 8 are in ‘relationships’, marriage will be a dinosaur.
Just reading Kate’s timeline on Twitter. She ran 20 miles yesterday. That is quite an accomplishment. She also stated that kids were only with Jon for 24hrs and that it was false that she could not afford a sitter.
Continuing w. my own grumpy mood…one might hope Jon would have dialed into a RumorFix to stop those 10 days of his fan base from congratulating him for doing what Kate does every week day? NAWWW…only when it’s self-serving. Then again…he knows Kate will be accused of throwing him under the bus once again for clearing up another made-up story. UGH!
Maybe he tried and the line was busy? 😉
Well, Jon did tweet to Hollybaby that their story wasn’t true. He didn’t elaborate on what part wasn’t true. Had that been Kate, they would have hounded her for more info. Kate clears up the rumor and I’m sure she’ll be skewered. I think she’s made it apparent she’s going to be forthcoming about the visitation schedule.
I saw some comments about Kate running the marathon. Again, they’re not embarrassed to criticize Kate for being away from the kids. Their career choices for Kate are: a complete SAHM or a nurse w/latchkey children, squeezing in time with the kids like so many of us have done. LOL, they want Kate to be their Stepfordmom, and I guess being a runner is against their mommy rules.
Btw, the marathon is on Dec 4. This was Jon’s weekend, so the marathon is also on one of his weekends. Of course, they may be switching something up for the holidays. But, anyway, I’m sure Kate is not the only out-of-town mommy running the LV marathon.
Does anyone really think it is important enough to keep her twitter chat buddies happy by providing details about the custody arrangement? Shouldn’t she just say no comment or things are well or the kids and their dad had a wonderful time while she was away?
Why does she have to provide ANY details? Correct me (and I’m sure some will) if I am wrong, but doesn’t Jon keep quiet about his custody time and arrangements? I’ll believe Kate ran 20 miles when I get the ocean front property I ordered from Arizona.
My guess is that she responded to that question for the same reason that Jon responded to it when asked about the HollyBaby story by one of his fans, to clear things up. I guess they are both entitled to address what they want.
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Do I believe she ran 20 miles? Why would I not. Just like I believed Jon in his video interview when he said he was working out.
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I guess we will find out on December 5th when Kate runs the marathon.
just a quick response to #114. i’ve never expressed support or non support for either of the gosselins. i read the comments and generally keep my feelings to myself. my point was that on these blogs there seems to always be one poster ie:tc, barhopper, etc that repeat and repeat the same message over and over andit certainly doesn’t bring up any feelings about jon or kate, it’s just that they are repetitive and boring; always challenging a poster; accusing them of jon “abuse” etc. obviously that is their goal, to bore people by posting over and over and over without anything interesting coming out. i shall continue to pass over their posts. but will keep reading the other posters.
HB , I gotcha : )
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Pam@IW said…Do I believe she ran 20 miles? Why would I not. Just like I believed Jon in his video interview when he said he was working out
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LOL Pam, Exactly!
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ruth richardson,
I think you hit the nail on the head !
Skip my comments, I really could care less and happy that you want to tell everyone. Your comments are boring and really never say anything except how you don’t like something someone says. I would like to know how I attack someone when I counter a point made about Jon or Kate. I have never said anyone abuses Jon, I have said that some comments are clearly made to distract from something Kate has done or to change the direction of comments about Kate. In any case, whateveh.
I guess I question her running because she is now up to 20 miles a day? That much running requires training and proper diet (which Kate doesn’t exactly have, based on some of her tips of how to eat). Running like that isn’t something you do on a whim or casually. I guess we will see if she makes and completes the marathon. She has a few more miles to get under her belt before she is at full marathon readiness.
She did 18 a few weeks ago and is now up to 20, that’s not much of a jump.
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She is running a marathon, not a marathon runner. Obviously TC is not a runner or that concept would not be right over her head.
OK, well 26.2 miles is still a bit away from 20 miles.
Marnie,
TC doesn’t understand a marathon runner. You don’t have to win to participate. Some people run for the will of it, others run for a challenge just to finish. 🙂
I missed the 26.2 miles, I thought Kate said 20….
I believe Kate is running a marathon and ran 20 miles when she said she did.
She looks like a runner (a look I know very well, I might add.) There is nothing unusual about how much she has run and the timing. None at all.
There is no way in heck she’ll win anything and she doesn’t expect to. The race is competitive and will attract elite runners. I have seen this series run in Philly and it is really something to see at the finish line. From how close the elite runners are at the end, to the unbelievably joyful smiles of finishers way at the back, it’s a sight to see. I love watching long-distance running.
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I hope Kate feels up to the whole thing. If she is ill she can switch to doing a half- marathon though. And she just has to keep up the race pace to stay. For Kate, I believe her goal is to finish.
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One of my friends finished a marathon within the pace by doing a walk/run for the whole thing.
I was reading somewhere where another runner advised Kate to back off of her running and to not do another 20 this week. Someone also said something about not actually running the full 26 prior to the marathon..
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Ann, I think I read today where two people died in the Philly marathon this weekend? How awful.
Kudos to Jon who tweeted this:
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@Twtr_is_4_Twits Um, no one lied. Except that article. I wish you guys would just stop tweeting about this
@Pam-What article is Jon referring to? If you don’t mind my asking. Good for him if he’s trying to distance himself from these hateful people. I realize it’s difficult to be cordial with someone you’re no longer married to, but for the sake of their children they really need to pull it together.
HollyBaby. I am not going to give them a link but the title of the article is:
Kate Gosselin Finally Lets Jon Gosselin Babysit While She Heads To Australia!
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Apparently Jon said the article is not true also as did Kate on her twitter.
So glad Jon called out that twit! She is one of the more foul ones on there!
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A marathon is about personal goals, it’s a race against yourself. Kate is goal oriented and I have no doubt she will set a goal and meet it.
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She said she is doing the LV marathon, has she said if she’s doing the half or full? Not that it matters because her uber non fans will bash and mock whatever she does.
Good for Jon! I’ve been hoping that the time would come when he would rebut lies told about Kate.
I was so glad to see Jon’s tweet!
Way to “man up” Jon!
How many of you feel that Jon’s tweet was self serving? I think it was from a person who is frustrated with the intensity some people are obsessed with ANYTHING Gosselin. I do NOT however think it was a tweet to “protect Kate”. They are not a couple and the “fans” that think Jon should tweet to protect Kate are delusional. Thats why it’s called divorce. It’s not always pretty, happy, drama free,etc. Thats why the lawyers make lots of money off it.
Everything Jon does is SELF SERVING!
Ah ha, there you have it. I knew you would be one of the first to speak up. Why do you feel that way? What did you interpret in his tweet words that was self serving?
Maybe, just maybe he was tired of being asked about it. Maybe he felt people were just going on and on about something ridiculous.
TC, I have to agree with you. I think he finally felt “enough is enough” …
I didn’t say I didn’t agree with you TC. I just said everything Jon does is self serving. That is his past behavior pattern. And aside from this little tweet I have seen nothing to indicate anything different. Did he get tired of it? Possibly. I hope so. I hope he is beginning to love his children more than he hates Kate. I will humbly offer my apologies when I see a pattern of this type of behaviour and he drops all of the hater followers.
You know what, who cares if he hates Kate? Really? He loves his kids and I don’t think he has ever done anything to hurt his kids. How he feels about Kate is his right and doesn’t require a apology or special tweets to make the “fans” happy. His PAST behavior is his to own. It takes TWO to divorce. Unless Jon is monitoring his tweets 24/7, why should he be held accountable if people follow him who dislike or hate kate. I think researching each person to see if they tweeted or said anything less than loving about Kate before accepting them or allowing them to follow you is silly. The people who tweet idiotic things about Jon or Kate are just that, idiots with a lot of extra time on their hands.
Saying “love his kids more than he hates Kate” doesn’t make sense. How he feels about his Kids has NOTHING to do with how he feels about his EX wife. He can despise, hate, whatever about Kate and that his right. Other than some comments he has made and then blogs have interpreted as “hate or selling out Kate” I don’t see where Jon has really done anything that requires constant doubting or “we’ll see how he acts”. The proof is in the pudding, the only thing people can do is bring up old stuff or interviews or comments to show how he “hates” kate (in their world).
It sounds like Kates “fans” will like Jon when he conforms to their idea of what is acceptable. I think that is really bizarre thinking. That just isn’t reality. Some people are never to going to like Jon just as some will never like Kate (or at least the persona she displayed on TV for the last couple years)
Ask ANY reputable psychologist, therapist or counselor ~
Hating a ex spouse is detrimental to the kids involved.
Yea, thats if the one spouse is saying things to the kids and using them as pawns. We have NO idea what Kate or Jon say to the kids. Jon can HATE Kate for whatever and smile like nothing happened to the kids. They would never be the wiser. We don’t know, maybe Kate is saying things to the kids about Jon, “I wait by the phone for the kids to call me”, why would she say that unless she is filling their heads with things or she just made that up to garner “support”.
If Jon shakes the insane haters off his leg I would applaud him.
It kinda looks like he’s trying.
“I wait by the phone for the kids to call me” When did Kate say that? Wasn’t that in the summer of 2010?
A parent doesn’t have to say a word ~ children pick up on their parents moods/feelings.
And if ( Anyone ) doesn’t believe this fact~ they are in denial.
Pam, Kate said that when Jon first came back to town and was still getting settled. The kids were not yet adjusted to being away from the comforts of home and not yet used to Jon’s cramped apt.
Oh sorry Pam, yes, I believe that was back in 2010. LoL, I’m glad they all got settled in. I’m sure Kate’s glad for it too.
TC: “It sounds like Kates “fans” will like Jon when he conforms to their idea of what is acceptable”
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It sounds like Kates “haters” will like Kate when she conforms to their idea of what is acceptable. Sound familiar?
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I didn’t really expect you to understand my response. Typical.
I was reading at Sage’s and someone posted a comment that the BL said on her site about Kate’s latest blog post.
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Since I don’t like copying other’s comments I will just say that the BL made a comment about how Kate was saying FU to everyone because she did not do a Thanksgiving recipe but posted something else instead. I guess Kate posted about sausage and kraut.
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I never realized that posting about sausage and kraut is saying a big FU on Thanksgiving week. I will make sure that Patty Pie never ever makes this kind of huge mistake at Imperfect Women. 😉
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Talk about nonsense and drama being posted at other blogs…this takes the cake.
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Just remember girls, if you talk about sausage and kraut during Thanksgiving week, you are saying FU to everyone!
ANd BTW….HIS KIDS CARE if he hates Kate. That’s who.
Deborah, I was just wondering because TCparra is always accusing people of bringing things up from the past and she made that statement and I believe that was what I would consider the past.
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I so agree with that statement. The kids will very much care.
Jon and Kate hating each other IS detrimental to all of the children, period end of story. Spoken words are a smidgen of how people convey themselves. People who hate each other don’t support each other, support is key to co-parenting.
Its just more of the same Pam. When Kate said that the kids & Jon were under unusual circumstances. The haters were up in arms claiming Kate was throwing Jon under the bus when all she was saying was Jon being back around after such a long absents the kids were still adjusting.
And whether it was self serving? Who cares. He said it, good for him. Maybe the haters will listen to him.
But, do you REALLY think Kate should have said ANYTHING about the “situation”? Sure, that was awhile ago she said that, I don’t believe it was that far back, more like January on Regis and Kelly? Sure kids can feel how parents are, but that doesn’t mean Jon is saying “I hate your mom” or any version of that. If you believe that, then there is no changing your view and you will always think Jon is the bad guy. Only wild speculative blogs will assume what is being said by Jon or Kate. What they say in public is a different matter.
Hmmmm, I pretty sure that she said that well over a year ago.
Hmmmmm, I’m pretty sure she was asked how the children were adjusting to Jon being back around and that’s how Kate responded. It was only haternation that had a problem with the truth of it.
They adjusted, she’s glad, what’s the big deal? We all hoped they all would. Nothing like having their your own dad back in their lives.
Who said Jon is saying “I hate your mom”???? And btw, again….your post asked about Jon. Why are you bringing what Kate said into this?
Or for that matter, why are you bringing up “the past” Kate remarks? Her PAST behavior is to her own, right?
Kmom2, that was pretty much where I was going with my comments.
Great minds think alike, Pam! LOL
I do not know what goes on behind closed doors, I am giving my opinion on what I saw on the show.
When Kate got to Australia, she called Jon to let him know the kids were fine.
Kate did NOT have a ounce of animosity for Jon.
I believe Kate wishes the best for Jon but Jon does not feel the same for Kate ~ he is not there (YET).
The last statement both Kate & Jon made on twitter was that everything hollybaby wrote was a lie.
I find that to be good news. Also good news was that Jon was able to spend 24 hours of extra time with the kids. Kate said she was thrilled about it.
#164 Why not? Were you not just spouting off about what Jon is/should be entitled to do? Does feel, say, etc…….. not fall into that category?
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I don’t understand why haters get worked up about what Kate says, out of the other side of their mouth they talk about how much she lies.
Who even remotely implied that Jon is saying he hates Kate? or that anyone even believed that? I think you’ve been around long enough to quit playing that silly game. If any women here thought that, they’d just come out and say it.
Oh please. Kate hasn’t shown one ounce of Animosity? What shows were you watching when Kate threw him under the bus, many many times? That phone call to Jon that the “fans” love to bring up and say “see, she lets him talk to them” was so edited. Remember, Australia is at least 19 hours difference from PA.
Marnie, are you paying attention to the comments? There are a lot of “Implied” comments that he says he hates kate or that his hate is bad for the kids. That implies people believe he is saying that.
“I believe Kate wishes the best for Jon but Jon does not feel the same for Kate ~ he is not there (YET).” That is such a crock of a comment. Kate has done nothing to say she wishes the best and there is nothing that Jon has said that he wishes bad things for kate, except the comments that the “fans” interpret to fit into him “hating on Kate or his kids” IE: When her show was finally cancelled and he said reality TV is not a career. The fans went batpoop crazy over that (as they interpreted it).
http://cdn.blinkx.com/stream/b/33/INFDaily/20111105/1830125013/1830125013_dpmp4hi_0.mp4
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Does Jon have a bodyguard too?
Or maybe he is his road manager or just a friend? 🙂
#176…WOW That’s what you get out of these posts? Either your reading comprehension is lacking or your thought processes are not right, dear. Nobody implied any such thing. Obviously you didn’t understand the concept of loving your children more than you hate your ex., so I will try to explain it to you. Loving your children more means putting their feelings, thoughts etc. ABOVE YOUR OWN and keeping YOUR MOUTH SHUT WHEN NECESSARY. Play nice, act civil, support the other parent when needed. I have YET to see Jon do that. How would he do that you ask?? He could have made a little “homeade video” about the food bank episode pointing out to the haters his kids learned a valuable lesson in giving back to others less fortunate. DId he? NOPE! He could have deleted his hater followers and if you think he doesn’t know who they are, you are delusional. Did he?? NOPE!! He could have made a little “homeade video” about how wonderful it was his kids got to experience Austraila/New Zealand and they will get caught up in school when they get back. Did he???? NOPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He could tweet that the custody is exactly what he wants or agreed to. Did he???? NOPE! *Cricket sounds* from his camp on ALL THESE ISSUES.
Too funny! Or maybe his Jenny Craig sponsor. 😉 Now that was not nice of me, I know.
I know, his work out buddy.
Crock of a comment ?
That resembles another comment I read lately ~LOL.
I never said the WORDS you are using TC ~ Calm down there.
I feel Jon still holds some anger/animosity it could be seen as hate only he knows??
Have you ever heard the saying the best thing a father can do for his kids is to LOVE their mother?
Now don’t go twisting that.
Or Jon could simply TWEET about these issues. He didn’t.
There is a new HollyBaby post out regarding Kate getting the kids for Thanksgiving.
Wow that big burly guy acted so protective of Jon ~The way he acted it was like Jon was his secret lover or something like that??
~ he was breathing so hard ~LMAO
I wonder if his name is TC Parra?
BTW Kate has said she wishes Jon the best and Jon doesn’t have to say anything his actions and secret source story’s say it all.
Who does Jon need protection from? Ellen? LOL LOL
Kmom ~LMAO (((tears))
LOL Or maybe her pissy dogs?
Who ever the burly protective man is?
He was breathing like that was the most movement he had in years.
And why the uproar that Kate is getting the kids on Thanksgiving?
What a bunch of speculative, catty & immature “fans” that blog here. Now it will be interesting to see what the drama blogs say about the that video. Maybe Jon has friends who didn’t want him being bugged by some desperate paperazzi? Why should Jon make ANY video to support Kate when she is hated because of something stupid she does? Does Kate ever say, “Oh I know Jon didn’t mean what you are saying, he does love his kids”? It works both ways. Coco, did you already email the link to your home blog?
Seriously, TCparra, I don’t think you are quite that bad. You do speculate quite a bit and some of your comments do border on the immature and catty side at times, but we appreciate you. Don’t be so hard on yourself.
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And ….lighten up.
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People can have a good time here just like you do when you post elsewhere. Don’t have double standards. Take a good hard look at your own comments.
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I would like the personal stuff to stop here.
TCparra,
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You completely ignored my comment #157. How speculative, catty and immature is that when someone dissects a blog post of Kate’s in that way.
FU thanksgiving we are going to have chicken sandwiches!
If Kate is so horrible how come they have to scrap the bottom of the barrel to bitch about her?
Regarding the HollyBaby article. I am betting that both Jon and Kate are ok with the way the schedule worked out for the holidays.
I’m thinking that too Pam.
TC I didn’t say A WORD about Jon supporting Kate. HE NEEDS TO SUPPORT HIS CHILDREN! He could easilyu publically show his support of his kids without mentioning Kate.
Strange how when someone hands you back what you dish out we are immature, catty and speculative.
LMAO my own blog??
Oh TC are you speculating I am someone else again?
TCparra:
November 21st, 2011 at 2:43 pm
Marnie, are you paying attention to the comments? There are a lot of “Implied” comments that he says he hates kate or that his hate is bad for the kids. That implies people believe he is saying that.
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You need to take responsibility for your own assumptions. I stand by what I said earlier, if the women here thought Jon hate Kate or believe that, they would come out and say it, not imply it.
And why the uproar that Kate is getting the kids on Thanksgiving?~CoCoPuff
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I don’t know and I don’t get it. Hollybaby is not reliable, but the khater’s will be screaming about it. Kate does not have the power to keep Jon from seeing his kids. Kate and Jon both have the resources in court to make each other adhere to their agreement.
If one parent keeps the kids from seeing the other parent and that parent decides to take legal action, then the parent that didn’t follow the agreement is in trouble. Times are different and fathers have rights.
Pam, I also think J&K are both fine with it.
Since I don’t like copying other’s comments I will just say that the BL made a comment about how Kate was saying FU to everyone because she did not do a Thanksgiving recipe but posted something else instead. I guess Kate posted about sausage and kraut.~
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BL needs a break, she has been showing how whacked she is for awhile. Her comments on Kate buying a bottle sake were way OTT and she just keeps going. How dare Kate not write a Thanksgiving menu for her blog?
BL is pretty controlling isn’t she. 😉
TCparra:
November 21st, 2011 at 2:39 pm
Oh please. Kate hasn’t shown one ounce of Animosity?
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Again, why this silly game? No one even remotely said that, or implied that.
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You know TC, it has been and can be said that a good majority of your posts imply you love Jon and hate Kate. We’ve all seen how irritated that gets you. Why would you turn around and speculate if you don’t like it done to you?
LOL, what is up with Chris following Jon into the restaurant? Rude much? I’ve never seen a pap do that in a restaurant.
That sure looks like Jon uses a bodyguard. Maybe it was just a friend determined to help him out.
My, how things have changed between Chris and Jon. I remember when Jon didn’t mind if Chris came right up to the car window or if he followed him into the store while Jon stood there pretending to read Kate’s book.
IMO that video is a set up to ‘show’ how much Jon does not want attention.
I could be wrong.
Kate had some interesting tweets tonight. She blew Hollybaby’s story out of the water.
Nice to hear the holidays are happily agreed upon.
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Kateplusmy8 Kate Gosselin
X2 set the record straight! Jon did NOT keep kids during recent trip&esp not so I could save $& all holidays r shared& happily agreed upon.
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Sick of all the fables &fairytales..Don’t believe wut u read! Sick how tabloids prey on ppl esp moms trying2support their kids! Move on ppl
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@caylward79 my babysitter had them except for 24hrs &we all wish he would take them more than his chosen custody Xs! Would b great for all!
Coco, I meant home blog, as in where you love to frequent. I have never speculated that you were someone else.
#205, please read #171 OK? Not playing any game here.
I still think Kate should not use twitter to tell people about the custody of the kids. It is nobodies business. Why does she think she has to dispel rumors?
TC-I’m sure Kate would be perfectly happy if Hollybaby and other similar sites didn’t manufacture controversy, but you seem to be blaming the victim by contending that Kate should remain silent in the face of blatant lies about her.
People in the media have stuff said about them all the time. Some is right and some is made up. There are a lot that don’t to run to twitter to “confirm” lies or untruths. No response is better than any some times. Let people guess, really who cares. Don’t you think that information about the kids is private and not really anybodies business, regardless how ridiculous it sounds? People that tweet to Kate and ask her to confirm or deny rumors are desperate for attention. Kate shouldn’t worry about keeping her chat room buddies happy and be respectful of the privacy of her kids and the custody with Jon. I’m only talking about this one situation. This comment isn’t meant to be a “well he does this or that, so Kate should” debate. I am only talking about the custody days, hours, weekends, etc.
Lorian….I agree with you about Jon setting the whole thing up. Typical Jon.
Kmom2, you latch on to a comment, but leave off part of it and THAT is typical “fan” response. You did see the last sentence, correct” “I could be wrong”
Why in the world is Jon being accused of setting that up? Couldn’t it be him and a buddy and some idiot pap trying to get a scoop?
ROFL that the haters can’t stand it when Kate tells the truth and it proves Jon does not want to see his kids more. If you can’t take the truth perhaps you should stop searching out what she says.
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Lorian and Kmom2 – I thought the same thing when I saw the video.
When a story came out about Ellen’s pissy dogs.
Ellen not only tweeted about it ~ She made a video of her dogs pissing on the floor to try and dispel the pissy dog story ? ~ LMAO
Kates tweet meant nothing to prove anything about Jon. You are only assuming that you are well informed if you base all your decisions on tweets. Again, why do the “fans” think it is OK or awesome or great that she says anything to them about custody. I wonder why no one can answer answer that 1 question.
So # 216, you missed the last sentence in that comment as well. It’s a shame that a large portion of her “fan” base only see things half way or read into comments what they want to fit their skewed logic.
Um, where was this video about the dogs pissing on the floor? I only saw where she showed the crate they used. Make up stuff much?
Dogs pissy in crates or on puppy pads are NOT house broken dogs. They are still pissing in the house!
And BTW whom ever this concerns ~I do not have a home blog either.
I also believe ANY mother has the right to speak up about a story/ rumor that involves her CHILDREN.
Rumors are just that, rumors. Opinions or ideas based on nothing but speculation. How does the world spin better if Kate has to make sure her “fans” have the correct info about who the kids stay with?
Why does the dogs pissing in the house or wherever affect the “fans” so much? How long ago was this issue? Maybe, the dogs have it all worked out now. Any pet owner will tell you that a dog will go through a period of inappropriate bathroom “breaks”.
Here’s why TC, what you haters love most is to use Kate’s kids and tabloid rumors as your favorite tool to speculate and bash her.
Why shouldn’t she speak out.
If she talks about herself its all about Kate. When she talks about what the kids are doing she gets bashed for exploiting her kids.
At some point she gets sick of the no win situation and just wants to clear the air.
She is not on this earth to please you.
Again, why do the “fans” think it is OK or awesome or great that she says anything to them about custody. I wonder why no one can answer answer that 1 question. ~TCparra
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I thought it was awesome because Hollybaby/HollywoodLife/Bonnie Fuller have printed mean and nasty articles about Kate for a long time. There’s no need for Kate to let rampant rumors fly and to have to put up w/untrue tabloid reports.
Kate’s not the only celeb that uses twitter to negate rumors. It happens all the time.
I didn’t see Kate bash Jon, in fact they agreed with each other. Both HollyBaby stories were false.
Jon was able to work the kids into his schedule, she was thrilled, the kids were thrilled. The kids love spending time with their dad, they all wish they could spend more time with Jon. I get the drift Jon would like that too. Its just not in the cards right now.
They both happily agree on the holiday arrangement.
Pay attention TC, Since you addressed my comment. Here is WHY it matters ~ You said Kate has no right to dispel rumors on twitter.
But yet you haters thought it was great that Ellen made a video to try and dispel the pissy dog story ( IMO that video only proved the story was true~LOL ) And I do not care to get into a Dog discussion with you.
My comment has to do with Kate having every right to speak up when things are being said about her and her children.
Again, why do the “fans” think it is OK or awesome or great that she says anything to them about custody. I wonder why no one can answer answer that 1 question. ~TCparra
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Haters thrive on the facts they have manufactured in their own minds on custody.
1- She won’t let Jon see the kids more than every other weekend.
2- Jon needs to get full custody. (he sees them as much his lifestyle permits)
The haters go on and on about the children, things they know nothing about but if its in the tabloids its all truth. Heck it doesn’t even have to be said in the tabloids, just their own minds and it becomes truth.
TC I love how you admittedly don’t know a great deal of history of the Gosselin world, yet you feel the need to act as though you DO KNOW everything. The funniest thing is that NOBODY WANTS A SCOOP ABOUT JON!!!!! Chris was at one time Jon’s “pap-on-call” Jon invited Chris to film the kids, him EVERYTHING. NOW…..he expects the public to believe that he doesn’t want Chris to film anything and acts annoyed? WHATEVEH!!! The film of Jon in Target, reading Kate’s book was hysterical…..Chris follows Jon around “acting” like a pap filming all the while, filming Jon reading Kate’s book…..Jon “acts” as if he’s reading but makes a quick look up at the camera to see if he’s being filmed then back down to the book! I mean I laughed and laughed at his pathetic attempts to look relevant. Kate said very nice things about Jon in that book and Jon made it out like the book was all about him. In fact he said the first 13 chapters were about him. There weren’t 13 chapters in the whole book. HYSTERICAL!!! You can’t find the pissy dog video because Ellen took it down when it became a laughing stock on the blogs. Doesn’t mean it never existed, it did and plenty of people saw it. And lastly, if some rag mag was printing rumors about me and my children, you bet your sweet arse I would do everything in my power to dispel them. You haters just hate being proven wrong about Kate.
Coco, please reread my comment. I NEVER said Kate has no right to dispel rumors, I said why does she feel the need to tell all her chat buddies the “truth” about who has the kids or how long someone has the kids.
YES You did here ya go ~ TCparra says:
November 21, 2011 at 10:23 pm
I still think Kate should not use twitter to tell people about the custody of the kids. It is nobodies business. Why does she think she has to dispel rumors?
“A rag mag printing rumors about me and my children” Still doesn’t mean she needs to indicate how many hours Jon has the kids or what weekend, etc. “acts as if reading the book”, so what? Maybe it was a lame attempt at being funny. “A laughing stock on the blogs”, where on 3 or 4 “fan” blogs? How do I act as if I KNOW EVERYTHING????????????
Why did the “fans” get so upset when Jon tweeted whatever he was doing with the kids? When he wasn’t “private” on twitter and said anything about the kids or custody, he got slammed with serious “Kate fan” hate. So again, I ask why do the “fans” think it’s ok for Kate to share custody information?
I also never said the Pissy dog video never existed, so I’m not sure why the confirmation that the video did exists was necessary.
Any Mother has the right to speak up / dispel rumors where ever she wants.
Why do you care where Kate writes ? or do you prefer videos?
Not to long ago Ellen used twitter & her blog to ask for the Kate haters hating services.
“I still think Kate should not use twitter to tell people about the custody of the kids. It is nobodies business. Why does she think she has to dispel rumors?” —–
Where in there am I saying Kate has no right? Of course she has a right to do anything she want, I simply said why does she think she needs to dispel rumors.
#232, how did Ellen ask for the services of the Haters? I see this chatter non stop at a certain drama blog and I don’t understand what Ellen tweeted that indicated she needed “hate” help.
TC,
Well, Kate is telling you what you don’t want to hear. My gawg, you have picked the subject to death. It’s too bad you ruin the credit that Kate and the kids have given to Jon for stepping up. I would not want to be your friend if you continued to harp on my ex. You have not done Jon any favors here or anywhere else. Jon and Kate agreed, and Jon has asked his followers to stop talking about it, yet here you are 2 days later still bashing.
It is Kate’s business who she wants to talk too.
The HATERS Bombarded Kate with lies about where her kids were while she was gone ~She spoke up and told the TRUTH.
Are you upset Kate did not stop to think if you were not going to approve of it?
TC ~Google is your friend~LOL
Why did the “fans” get so upset when Jon tweeted whatever he was doing with the kids? ~TCParra
I don’t know if I would describe it as the “fans getting so upset”. I think it’s sleazy and underhanded because he was publicly fighting w/Kate about the show while declaring that he wanted to live a private and a private life for his kids. Of course, we’ve already discussed this as well as Ellen’s twitter and emails calling for a boycott.
TC SAID: Um, where was this video about the dogs pissing on the floor? I only saw where she showed the crate they used. Make up stuff much?
_____ I guess you just accused someone of it being made up. Why do you think Kate shouldn’t dispel rumors??? What Kate chooses to share is up to Kate. I simply don’t think I have a right to criticize her for what SHE CHOOSES to say on her twitter!
TC,
Ellen went to the hate blogs for help, guess you better go ask them. Her hat on her blog, “I Heart Haters” was her first attack on anyone who supported Kate and her children. Ellen is a a young doofus, with age she will hopefully grow up!! Being 20 something dating and living with a Father of 8 is just too funny. Ellen likes the ride. Ellen is a non issue in the kids life, she’s just Jon’s squeeze at the moment. It’s to bad she will always be known as the gal who made a video about pissy dogs. 🙂
snickers, again your comment is nothing but telling me you don’t like what I say. I didn’t pick anything to death, it’s called having a conversation about something and I’m not just talking with myself. My gawg!
“It’s to bad she will always be known as the gal who made a video about pissy dogs” — sure, in the crazy world of “fan” drama blogs maybe.
TCparra says:
So again, I ask why do the “fans” think it’s ok for Kate to share custody information?
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I think it is more than okay as long as Kate is telling the truth (which Jon and Kate both twitted she was). A better question is why should a woman cover up for ex-husband? Why should a woman take public criticism for something she hasn’t done without setting the record start? The custody arrangements aren’t news to the kids. They know how much time they spent with their father when Kate was in Australia and they know if they ask to spend more time with him or not. Kate did not reveal anything that would be shocking to the kids.
TC,
Lame post back, yep pissy dog video. Nothing else Ellen is doing for the better, for herself or Jon. Fan blog or not, she put it out there.
Conversation for Kate defending herself is ok with me, I would do the same. Jon tried to call off the dogs, but yet you continue. Kate owns you!!
ROFL at the haters with their undies in a huge knot because they can’t 1) Stop Kate from speaking the truth and 2) Kate speaking out about custody disproves their theory that Kate keeps Jon from the kids and that Jon wants custody.
coco, I am still waiting for some logical reason why you think Jon speaking up on twitter was only to benefit himself?
Coco, Where is this infamous video showing Ellen dogs peeing “all over the floor”?
What are you ranting about TC? ~LMAO
I never posted anything about JON tweeting here??????
I am sorry TC ~ I do not have a copy of Ellen’s pissy dog video.
Maybe Ellen still has a copy?
coco, I know you didn’t post here, but I was wondering why you felt that way. You DID make that comment and you also mentioned a video of ellens dogs peeing on the floor. Only video I have ever seen was where she showed their crates. Are you making up the peeing on floor video or is there really one?
LOL CoCo…
kmom2, what is really all that funny about what coco said? Coco made a comment about a video and I asked her what she is referencing. Either it’s real (the dogs peeing on the floor) or made up. I mean there is a big difference between a video showing crates where dogs stay and a video showing dogs peeing on a floor.
What I say ANYWHERE else should be discussed there.
And I already told you TC~ I do NOT want to get a Dog discussion with you.
Again you should ask Ellen for a copy of her pissy dog video. : )
LOL Kmom ….
Coco, are you purposely ignoring what I am asking? Are you afraid to back up what you say? So I guess your refusal to provide some idea of where you saw a video of ellens dogs peeing on the floor simply means you made it up. My question is relative to the comments made here, why do you feel John’s tweet about the story is self serving? Because that is the consensus at the drama blog you frequent and it fits in with the other bizarre comments?
Now people are just getting ridiculous with the LOL’s. There is nothing funny about making stuff up and trying to create your own rumors.
Calm Down there ~LOL
You have accused me and OTHERS here of making stuff up.
Again ~You should get a hold of Ellen to see if she has a copy of her Pissy dog video for you to watch.
P.S, Whoever I bravo or laugh at is not something you can control : )
Coco.
When she asks for that video from Ellen, wasn’t it said at that time the dogs peed on Jon’s clothes. LOL. She’s too lazy to Google. Clue: It was on ROL, a long time ago.
She also had a magazine in the cage if I remember right, and a peed on puppy pad, which imo, if it is not outside, its pissin the floor!~
lorian,
Yes, it was some kind of rag magazine in a cage and it showed the nasty from the pissy dogs. They are not trained, that’s for sure. Shows a lazy pet owner IMO. I would feel sorry for the neighbors having to smell that all day. UGH!! Heating and cooling vents are connected in most buildings.
I was done discussing Ellen and her pissy dog video but TC keeps bringing it up?
I told TC a couple times ~ I did not want to get into a dog discussion with her~ she continues to ignore that?
snickers , yea ROL had it.
lorian,
ITA ~ IMO Ellen making that video of her pissy dogs trying to prove they are not pissy dogs proved her dogs are pissy dogs ~LMAO
Look, all I was asking you COCO, is there really a video of the dogs peeing on the floor, not rocket science here. If you would stop being a smarta** for a second and read the question. If the video is about Ellen simply showing the crates where the dogs stay then that is a different point all together and yes I have seen that.
#258, you do realize that is the acceptable way of training, owning & discipline of small animals, especially in an APARTMENT (since all the fans probably know the exact SF of the apt they live in). Just because there was pee on the rag mag or pee pad (see they even make supplies for them that people call pee pads) doesn’t mean the owner is lazy, that is a stretch don’t you think? It means nothing except the animal is smart enough to do it where he is supposed to. If you want to imagine a scenario of stinky pee and feces everywhere
Very sad, I am accused of silly things or mean, vile comments. I ask a simple question to clear up a little confusion about what a fan is blogging about and …. crickets. I will assume the reality is that people have a very active imagination and it doesn’t matter how you feel about the Gosselins.
Everyone knows what happens when you “assume”….
Having dogs locked in cages all day with pee pads is gross!!!
ASSume is right K-Mom.
Snickers, have you ever trained an animal to be house broken? Probably not based on your response. You have no idea how long the dogs were in the crates. Using peed pads is an acceptable and well known way of training and a way to protect your floor or rug when used in a crate for the puppy or dog who has “bathroom” issues. When mom or dad work all day, the pads help out fido. Yea they would be “Gross!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” if you let them sit there all day and never changed them. If you are a pet owner concerned about your animals well being and your home, I’m sure you wouldn’t let the pee pads pile up and stink up the house.
TC,
Sorry, dogs left in cages all day in your apt would not be healthy all the way around. Yes, trained a dog, had no issues at all, never used pee pads. Left all day, would leave smells in your apt. It would be in curtains and furniture that absorb oders. No skin off my back, she doesn’t live by me. 🙂
Now TC, have a good Thanksgiving!!
Snickers, clearly your idea of training is skewed. The animal would be perfectly fine health wise if using the crate properly. They are not intended to “house” the animal when people are home, only as a means for control when owners are out and about or discipline. In curtains and furniture? Please, that is a stretch. Only a disgusting and foul owners home would smell as you have imagined and I’m sure the curtains and furniture would be the least of the odors to be concerned about.
TC,
Whateva!! LOL.
TC I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but after reading your comments all I can say is that where I come from, you are what is known as a sh*t disturber…I’m glad we could entertain you.
Well, if you are going to say stuff or accuse people of having dogs who pee on the floor, you should have the facts somewhat close to the truth or just have a disclaimer at minimum indicating that your comment is meant to be fictional.
Lisa, why because I asked for some clarification and got BS? Then the comments are nothing but nasty “pee” comments that are not true. I wasn’t entertained at all. If someone says stuff that is inaccurate, why not ask for or provide accurate information? Isn’t that what the fans want whenever Kate’s name is involved?
Lisa, Of course you will get a bunch of “ditto” or “ITA” comments. However, most won’t even know what they are agreeing too except that you said something that was the opposite of a “non fan” and the fans will be giddy.
Also, who is “we”? You didn’t do anything except call me a name.
Every time I, or anyone really, posts a comment you’re right there to flood the page with comment after comment after comment,and picking apart every.single.dang.word that anyone wrote. So “we” must entertain you. Either that, or you’re a glutton for punishment. I haven’t even been de-lurked for all that long, and it’s always you acting as the token “kH8ter”. It’s fine to have an opinion and to ask for clarification, but there is such a thing as beating a dead horse, and sweetheart your stick must be worn to a splinter by now.
I don’t have anything against you, as I don’t know you. It’s fine to have an opposing opinion and voice it when you disagree. Also, it’s perfectly ok by me if you’re not a fan of Kate Gosselin…it is a free country after all. The phrase Sh*t disturber wasn’t meant to be calling you a name, but a description of your activities on this board.
Lisa,
TC wants people here to find info that’s been out in the news along time ago. She can contact Ellen, but she just wants to dig at posters here. Your right, she has this blog on alert. The video was on ROL, if she can’t find it, too bad, not IW’s problem. The stick is old, we are used to the rant. 🙂
What do you mean I can contact Ellen? You think you have me all figured out or know me? I’m not asking for anything from anybody “that has been in the news” or other. You clearly didn’t really read the comments.