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Kate Gosselin – It’s All About the Paycheck

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By Anya

One of the most maddening and unfortunately consistent barbs lobbed at Kate Gosselin is the accusation that she is a fame whore. This will be the first and last time I use that particular expression in this piece because frankly, I find it distasteful on more than one level. It’s also overused and a lazy way for haters to describe anyone who happens to make it into the public eye in an accidental or unusual manner.

So I am going to defend Kate without using that phrase. I’ll argue against what I consider the unfair allegation that she has pursued reality television stardom because she really wants to be in the public eye. She wants to be A Stah! She wants the Hollywood glam life – not the (real) reality of being mom to eight kids in a small Pennsylvania town. This take on Kate could not be further from how I view her motivations for doing what she does.

The Kate I continue to observe has one primary motivation for doing what she does – to provide a comfortable, privileged childhood for her eight children. She wants them to go to an excellent school. She wants a house that is big enough to accommodate nine individuals with nine big personalities (and a cute, but big dog!) She wants them to experience nature up close and personal and wants them to be surrounded by lots of open space and fresh air. She wants them to travel to interesting places and learn things that only traveling can teach us. I’m sure this list is partial. Kate no doubt has many more wishes to add to this list. Kate is a big dreamer and has big dreams for herself and her kids. And I see nothing wrong with that. We should all have a long list of dreams and aspirations.

But back to reality – all of these niceties do not come cheaply for one child let alone eight. Over the years, in watching the show and hearing her speak in interviews it has become clear to me that Kate does not want her children to have to sacrifice solely because they come from a large family. I think there is some unnecessary mommy guilt there –  but I can appreciate her point of view. We all want the best for our children.

No doubt about it, Kate also likes nice things for herself. Who doesn’t? Well some people are comfortable with an austere lifestyle, but our overall national credit card debt reveals that your average American is pretty darn materialistic. We can be judgy about that, or we can just accept it for what it is – a fact.

So we know what Kate wants – a comfortable income to provide generously for herself and her children. What gig could possibly provide the necessary income while allowing her to be home with her children the majority of the time? A reality television show or something entertainment related would seem to be what has worked in the past. Kate has said she enjoys “the work.” So why is it any surprise or worthy of ridicule that she is attempting to stay on that career path?

Again, Kate has said she enjoys the work – and the perks of the lifestyle she and the children have grown accustomed to. I have not heard her say that she loves being famous and, in fact, many of her actions seem to suggest otherwise. It appears it took her a little while to warm up to the idea of fans. She has been honest about her evolution on this. We know she dislikes the “p people” and the tabloids. Most importantly, even though she has made a lot of connections in the entertainment industry, it is extremely rare to see Kate associating with anyone out of her small trusted non-famous circle. When she was on Dancing with the Stars, some openly speculated why she didn’t go out and socialize with the cast on Monday nights after the show. Well we know now Kate isn’t a club person and I think she has no desire to go out just to be seen.

So in my judgment, none of this is about FAME – it’s about making a living. Getting a regular paycheck that allows Kate to pay those bills. Can’t we all relate to that on some level? I know I can.
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Comments

  1. carol says

    September 27, 2011 at 8:13 am

    Excellent piece and I so agree with every word. I agree that Kate does feel some guilt about having a large family that probably hampers her ability to give each child individual attention. I think any mother would like to be able to offer their children the best opportunities in life and I just don’t get the criticism directed at her for wanting to do so.

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  2. Judy says

    September 27, 2011 at 8:44 am

    Great article, Anya! I could not agree with you more. Also, while some of the haters have continually lambasted Kate for wasting the “kids’ money”… All the while Kate has been working she has been supporting eight children and doing what it takes to run a household with eight children in the same age range. Kate says she has savings, and she’s proven that she can be very frugal, but I’m sure she doesn’t want to deplete her savings in place of a regular salary… and NO, there is no way that Kate is going to be able to support eight children on a nurse’s salary. Her child care providers would end up with more take home pay than Kate would and she would never see her kids!

    The haters wanted the kids off TV and they got what they wanted. They are now saying they will block any form of employment Kate seeks that is not a “regular” job (whatever that would be…) Is this harassment? I think it is. This is past the point of fairness. Kate has a right to raise her children they way she sees fit. If she is comfortable working in the entertainment field, I think she should go for it. I do not think she is doing this for her own ego, but as a way to raise her children in the best way she can… Just like ANY OTHER MOM!

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  3. Joy says

    September 27, 2011 at 8:53 am

    A very insightful piece Anya and it also mirrors my own sentiment about Kate and why she has chosen the path she was lucky enough to walk down. If each and every one of us were to be completely honest with ourselves wouldn’t we also of accepted the same path that Kate chose? The best job in the world is one that you enjoy and look forward to getting up in the morning to go to. If we were to be honest don’t we all want the best things in life for our children and ourselves? Forget the criticism and go to the bare bones of the situation and I’m sure that the majority of people would have been wise enough to make the same choices that Kate made. We all have dreams and in my opinion there is nothing wrong with going after your dreams. Sitting back and waiting for them to come to you won’t work, you have to be pro active when reaching for those stars. My parents both came from very large families with 12 or more siblings and the struggles they had to just put food on the table was extremely difficult and just to provide the very basics required working hard labor and many hours. So put aside the people who might criticize you and those who easily resent anyone who has more than they do and be the best person you can be. Even more important I sincerely feel Kate wants desperately wants to provide her children the same life they have right now. Some may not agree but I honestly think that Kate would easily give up any and all luxuries for herself if she had to make a choice and she would rather see their needs met far more than her own.

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  4. Joy says

    September 27, 2011 at 9:09 am

    The recent twists and sarcastic stories in the tabloids which has also sent much unfair crticism her way and headlines that not only are wrong but very damaging Kate and colored people’s opinion of her. Why can’t people research and verify information before publicly bashing a mother of eight? The tabloids and many people are under the impression that Kate went out and bought herself a “brand new” Audi sportscar and showing off her so called wealth using the childrens money in the process and this has had a very false/negative impact on her. The fact is that Kate traded in one of her vehicles and got two “used” vehicles. There is a major difference between walking into a luxury car showroom and plucking down $60k for a brand spanking new two seater sports care and trading in for a used vehicle. These erroneous ads filled with lies has damased the publics and medias opinion of her and it’s not right that the media can print such trash or speak on entertainment shows misconstrued information. Also it has been reported as a recent purchase rather than a trade in done months before she found out the show was ending. These sensational headlines and false information if proof it’s not about the “real” story but more about sensationalism and false or twisted information.

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  5. CJWhodunit says

    September 27, 2011 at 9:27 am

    2 thumbs up, Anya, very well said! I agree that this is America, if Kate wants to send her kid’s to private school and live in a house (NOT A MANSION) where there’s plenty of room for 8 very active kid’s, their friends and family AND Shoka, plus lots of space outdoors to run around and play–why shouldn’t she?!? She and Jon did the poverty level stuff when the kid’s were
    little, living on government assistance in tiny homes where there wasn’t enough room to move around and very loud confined spaces. Why on earth working Kate want to return to HARD times’ living when she and the kid’s don’t have to?

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  6. CJWhodunit says

    September 27, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Autocorrect changed some words, feh. Kid’s should be kids, why on earth would Kate want to return…

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  7. Lily@IW says

    September 27, 2011 at 9:59 am

    I love this article (esp the third para, I def agree). I never did think Kate was fame hungry. I think she enjoyed the perks, but I think her main goal has always been to provide for her children. So often in divorce, the house has to be sold because one parent can not afford it alone vs. two parents working. I think Kate wants to make the big things in their life (home and school) as stable as possible. It’s just my guess, but I think Kate is the type of parent who would let the house go before the school. I wish her the very best, it’s depressing when you have take-away from your children.

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  8. GeeWhiz says

    September 27, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Excellent article Anya and I agree with all you said. Kate and the kids are living the “American Dream” and the haters are pissed it’s not them. It’s mind boggling that they think they can tell Kate what type of job she can have and it is criminal they want to try and stop her from continuing in the entertainment world .

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  9. Kmom2 says

    September 27, 2011 at 10:32 am

    GREAT ARTICLE!! This totally reflects my opinion of Kate and her situation. I would hope some sort of “official action” would befall those trying to block Kate from getting jobs in the entertainment field. I just can’t imagine hating someone I have never met so much that I would think that behaviour is okay! Good Luck Kate!

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  10. Marci says

    September 27, 2011 at 11:24 am

    *****Warning: The opinions below are written by a FAN who has watched the show from the beginning and has been familiar with the Gosselin blog world at IW and other sites for years, though not as much in the last year and a half or so. I LIKE Kate. I LIKED the show. But I have…as an observer, as a mother, as a FAN, found I have QUESTIONS. I am waiting to see if those questions get answered in the only foolproof way…by continuing to observe and see what happens. My intent is NOT to take away from anyone else’s enjoyment or support of Kate. I’m asking the questions out loud. Thanks, IW Ladies.*********

    Nice article, Anya! I’ve never thought it made any sense to begrudge the Gosselins, and now Kate, the income that came from the show. Whatever the agrument was years back about money set aside for the kids, etc., Kate never impressed me as someone who would blow those earnings and be left with nothing for her family.

    Have I observed some of the “trappings of fame”? Sure. But I’ve also heard other B or C or D level celebs talk about how much money it takes to be in the public eye. If you want to promote a career in the media you have to invest in hair and make-up for appearances, etc., that may not be part of a show or tv appearance (her Emmy appearance, for example, hair and make-up probably came out of her own pocket).

    I also think anyone and everyone is allowed to choose their path in life, and if Kate believes she has a future in media, then the investment of the “trappings” may be a worthy one in the long run.

    I only HOPE….I really, really do….that there is some “there” there. I hope there’s stuff I don’t know about that WILL enable her to do that if it’s her heart’s desire. Kate carries some media-public interest that brings it’s own audience…but an audience for what exactly without a show that just about her? Has she garnered enough knowledge about the backstage workings of a reality show/tv appearances to work behind the scenes herself? Because you don’t need facetime in front of the camera for that….and there are probably some people degreed in the media who have worked their way up the ladder who might agrue with her perception of her own qualifications in that regard.

    So, no, I think she’s talking about in front of the camera. So…what then? I’m curious to see how this develops.

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  11. tcparra says

    September 27, 2011 at 11:24 am

    I think the article was fine. Kate may want to be in the media and enjoy the perks of it and the way it allows her to support the life she and the kids are acustomed to, however why is it that no one is calling? I think it’s fair to ask that question. I think another fair question is what happened to Twist of Kate? Not one word about why that didnt work. Please dont bombard me with “oh your bringing up the past” because TOK was current up until a few months ago.

    I think Kate did things that soured her fans and gained her a lot more haters. It doesnt matter when she bought her car or traded in one or whatever. Thats not what has people changing their opinons of her. It is probably a lot of things, her constant excuses why she spends money foolishly on hair and wardrobe, “because she has to maintain a certain look” is really reaching. She is a mom first (thats what TLC was selling us right?), public figure second and when she worries about her looks she has her priorities mixed up. IMHO

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  12. Shawn says

    September 27, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Great Article and Well said!!

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  13. tcparra says

    September 27, 2011 at 11:37 am

    What is all this talk about people trying to stop Kate in her attempts to get in the industry? Does anyone really think these people or idiots or tweeters or haters could actually block Kate in her attempts?

    I think Kate will make it or not on her own actions. Some person spouting some threat is ridiculous and just insane. No serious employer is going to grade Kate on a hater giving some outlandish and unrelated gossip.

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  14. Judy says

    September 27, 2011 at 11:43 am

    TC, we have absolutely no idea whether Kate is getting offers or interest or not. Judging by the way her naysayers have promised to squelch anything she gets… and they HAVE… she is smart not to say anything until the ink is dry on a contract.

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  15. Kmom2 says

    September 27, 2011 at 11:54 am

    The bigger problem is that people out there hate a woman they have never met enough to think that even attempting to block any employment opportunities that come her way is the right thing to do. Who freakin thinks like this? How sick do you have to be to harbor that much hatred?

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  16. Joy says

    September 27, 2011 at 11:58 am

    That is true Judy we dont’ know if she has received offers, we don’t know if she might even have something lined up. Look at what the anti fans did when there was a rumor that Kate was going to have a job on The Talk. They called by phone, twittered, sent emails and letters to the producers telling them to not hire Kate. If even a hint of an appearance anywhere, anytime the anti fans pounce on it and find any and all means to try and interfere with Kate getting any work and they even brag about it which sickens me. I have never heard of any fan who has tried to interfere with Jon getting a job, not once single time.

    Whether you work in the media or in the corporate world whether it’s fair or not the fact is that appearance is just as important as your job experience or talents. To potential employers it shows to them responsibility if you take care of your appearance. Potential employers want someone especially in the media who will make a good impression with clients and during business meetings and yes appearances on television. As they say the first impression is important and to be honest your first impression of anyone is their appearance when you first meet them.

    Remember too that it was Jon who wanted Kate to have a more up to date appearance and he is the one that pushed for her to wear more stylish clothes and yes even heels. Jon was the one who wanted Kate to update herself from head to toe and there was even an episode on it where Jon took Kate shopping for her “new look’.

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  17. Lily@IW says

    September 27, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Does anyone really think these people or idiots or tweeters or haters could actually block Kate in her attempts? ~tcparra
    /

    The posters on the hate blogs attacked Kate’s books on Amazon. Even before publishing they were writing nasty reviews. They invaded the DWTS message boards too.
    What makes them think that doing these types of things makes them a better person than Kate is beyond me.

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  18. GeeWhiz says

    September 27, 2011 at 12:06 pm

    Kmom2 – Well said. I wonder if the haters will ever understand their hatred towards Hate is abnormal and sick.

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  19. Joy says

    September 27, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    TLC in the announcement that the show had been cancelled did mention the Twist of Kate but since I don’t remember the exact working if it is that important to find out what the status of that is to you just a little Googling should provide the answer. It’s not that important to me to be honest to bother taking the time to find the exact press release or article. As far as I’m concerned Kate Plus 8 is finished and Kate is looking for a job and what happened during that time is of no interest to me. Now for me it’s hoping and praying that Kate finds work whether it’s in the media field or out of it but I don’t like to see anyone out of a job and whether it would be Kate, Jon or my next door neighbor. What is important is the present and I would like to see everyone who wants or needs a job get hired. We also don’t know the specifics of whether Kate is able to actually take a job if offered. Wasn’t she under contract with TLC until the end of Feb. 2012? If so and TLC has not released her completely from that contract Kate’s hands could be tied for the time being until the end of the contract. I’m hoping she is completely free but that is something that is none of our business and between Kate and TLC.

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  20. snickers says

    September 27, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    Kmom2,

    The sick ones that post all over the internet daily about Kate are the ones who are doing it. I guess it makes them feel special to beat up a Mother of 8 for their jollies. Oh another FYI, tc, I’m not 12 or 13, but would love to go back to the carefree days.

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  21. GeeWhiz says

    September 27, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Oops – can’t type. Hate s/be Kate.

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  22. Pam@IW says

    September 27, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Please keep the personal back and forth off this thread. I think we all need a break from that. Good discussion is welcome regardless of what your opinion is.

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  23. tcparra says

    September 27, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    A lot of hot air and steam out there about Kate. Anyone can claim they called or wrote emails and would look foolish saying that or like someone who has way too much time on their hands. Did anyone REALLY do these things? Know one will ever know. A bunch of haters or non fans or just mean people are NOT going to interfere with Kate getting work. It will come down to what she has to offer. Does she really have the gift of gab? Will someone hire her based on her show? Will her reputation (real or other) prevent her from advancing? Has she shown any talent that is worthy of consideration in Hollywood? No amount of support or non support on the web or twitter is going to bring opportunities to Kate. It will take Kate and only Kate to succeed.

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  24. tcparra says

    September 27, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    I’m not saying TOK is important to find out why it didn’t happen. However, it was her other opportunity that she was very insistent was happening. Well, now it’s not and not one peep about it. Unfortunately that shows how much faith TLC had in the show being successful.

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  25. Joy says

    September 27, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Sadly yes it has been done and there are those that will go to any length. Ask Leah Remni who was a co host on The Talk, as the ladies from the Cup Cake web site. They were viciously attacked and bullied to try and stop Kate from an interview and a television appearance. Feel free to Tweet them because they honestly were shocked at the level of the bullying the endured before, during and afterwards.

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  26. Lily@IW says

    September 27, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    Someone tweeted to Kate about Twist of Kate the day TLC announced the show wouldn’t be renewed. IRC, she gave a simple answer of “no.”
    /

    Anyone can claim they called or wrote emails and would look foolish saying that or like someone who has way too much time on their hands.~tcparra
    /
    They have been doing these things since the heyday of GWOP, they brag about their emails and posts as a badge of honor. He who hates the most wins, you know.

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  27. pattypie says

    September 27, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    TC i have said this before over and over -if you don’t believe me look it up. 1000’s of shows don’t make it past the development stage or even the pilot stage. Just like lots of TV shows are cancelled. In fact all TV shows are cancelled at some point. We have no idea if Kate has been getting calls or not. Any sort of negotiation she would be in at this point would have to be QUIET. I doubt any sort of production company was sitting around with a show in full development just waiting for her contract to end with TLC. Even if someone was offering Kate a new show right at this moment – if it was any sort of decent production we won’t see it until September 2012 at the earliest!!!!

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  28. Joy says

    September 27, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    We don’t know what TLC is thinking but if you look at the current new programming that TLC is moving towards and someone new at the helm it’s evident TLC is taking it’s programming in a different direction and it appears that they are leaning towards the odd, bizarre and even the psychic world. Maybe we will watch as the next year progress and existing contracts end that some of the shows that are on there now will also be phased out. Life changes, people change, business change, the viewing public may have changed their appetite for a particular type of programming. I think it’s silly to make such an assumption but that’s just my opinion. Neither Kate or TLC has said or done anything negative so I think it’s foolish to assume there is or was any problem between the two.

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  29. snickers says

    September 27, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    sorry Pam!!

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  30. Joy says

    September 27, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    Lily thank you. I knew I had seen it someplace but I didn’t remember quite where I saw the confirmation that the Twist wasn’t going to go forward.

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  31. Achildforgiven says

    September 27, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Wonderfully written!! I couldn’t agree more with this article. Everyone would like to have the ‘perks’ that accompany the TV lifestyle and Kate should be no different. I wish her the best of luck in her future endeavors! Blessing!!

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  32. CJWhodunit says

    September 27, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    I personally would like to see the following:
    1. Links that show EXACTLY how much Kate has in her checking/savings account from HER income (DWTS, etc.)
    2. Links that show EXACTLY how much Kate pays for her hair getting done by Ted Gibson, Jason Hueman, etc.
    3. Links that show EXACTLY how many possible job offers have been offered to Kate, and how she is going about accepting them or passing on them.
    4. Links that show EXACTLY what happened to Twist of Kate, whether it is totally off the shelf, or whether it was nixed because of Kate herself, or whether it was simply a TLC business decision that had nothing to do with Kate personally.
    5. Links that show EXACTLY what Kate paid for her ‘new’ — — USED car and SUV that she got in exchange for the bigger gas guzzling vehicle.
    6. Links that show EXACTLY what Kate pays for her tanning salon membership, her nail salon, etc.

    Anyone that can’t provide these things EXACTLY are just ASSUMING they ‘know’ what’s going on in Kate’s bank accounts, and in Kate’s budget, and they are just talking out the other side of their mouth when they accuse Kate of being a spendthrift, which according to all documented purposes, she is NOT.

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  33. Anya@IW says

    September 27, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    Marci, I appreciated the questions you asked and am glad you took the time to fill everyone in on your background so everyone is clear on that. I really don’t have the answers either. I think pursuing a career in entertainment is a long shot for anyone. Kate’s reality TV ‘fame’ has lasted longer than most. I am rooting for her and think she has every right to pursue it and put herself out there (it’s gutsy!), but if I were her I would have a back-up plan. And knowing Kate, I think she does.
    .
    CJ,others – I too find it so aggravating the way some propose to tell Kate what to do with her life and her career. First of all, it’s not their place and second, as many have pointed out – they don’t have the facts. And they are complete hypocrites too. I took a quick look see at BL’s the other day and one of the nastiest most judgmental posters had her panties in a twist over being called out on her mothering by another poster. (I couldn’t really follow what it was about – something about Facebook). Anyway, she told the other poster she had no right to judge her as a mother….This on a website that is devoted exclusively to doing just this! You can’t make this stuff up.

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  34. snickers says

    September 27, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    Cj,

    Did you know Kate made 250 thousand a show.
    Did you know Kate pays 7,000 dollars for extensions,and spends millions on nails.
    Did you know that Kate bought a brand new car and a sportcar to boot.
    Did you know that Kate abuses her children.
    Did you know that Jon pays his fair share of the bills concerning the children. (eye roll)

    This is the kind of stuff you read and see on twitter. How disgusting. They could write the book on all the false info the Khaters have put out there. I don’t care if you have one child or 8, every Mother has the right to make a living in her chosen field if she wants to.

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  35. CJWhodunit says

    September 27, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    snickers, where have you been? Kate made a MILLION dollars an episode and only put $15.00 in the kids’ trust funds–not each, but divided 8 ways! Then she went to NY city, which is a MILLION miles away from where she lives in her MILLION dollar MANSION (full of servants, flunkies, and interns which cost more than a MILLION dollars a year in salary, IF she ever pays them, that is still under investigation) to see Ted Gibson so he can give her MILLION dollar hair styles paid with the money that Kate was supposed to put in the kids’ trust funds according to LAW, then she goes to her MILLION dollar upscale nail salon place there near where she lives, and get those SUPER EXPENSIVE artificial nails done! I can’t tell you about the tanning salon, where a year’s membership costs A MILLION DOLLARS, but she goes there pretty much every day to keep that glowful look about her…at some point in all of this, she also goes to some upscale kitchen store where she spends MILLIONS OF DOLLARS on wooden spoons which she uses to beat every child and intern EVERY SINGLE DAY until they are covered with bruises even when they wear sleeveless shirts and shorts!!

    The horror, oh, the absolute horror. Yes, like some of the haters claim *seriously*, I am so sure Jon will have complete and total custody of the 8 and all the peons from Kate’s country estate as well as the interns and Kate will be living in an alley somewhere with a bad hairdo, one pair of running shoes, some warmups from 2005, and nothing else, because BY GOD, SHE DESERVES TO GO DOWN FOR HER CRIMES TO HUMANITY.

    ::eyeballs rolling::

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  36. HB says

    September 27, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    Anya,

    Amen to your last paragraph! Don’t think Kate Gosselin is sitting on her backside, drinking sake & chewing carrot sticks waiting for the phone to ring. Nor do I think this mother assumed TLC would be her EZ Pass to an ’empty nest’. Like her or not…those 8 children are her life! What she wants for them…nothing outrageous.

    Don’t we all have dreams for our children? Tip o’ my hat to one gutsy mom.

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  37. tcparra says

    September 27, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    Why all the ridiculous comments about what she makes per show, etc. There was no one commenting or pretending to know what she makes per episode (at least not in this thread). It will take more than a lot of caroling by the fans to get Kate work in her “chosen field”. You need talent and some ability to be likable by enough fans to keep you on the air.

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  38. snickers says

    September 27, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    Some people enjoy seeing Kate on TV. Others don’t, so don’t watch. Very simple.

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  39. Lily@IW says

    September 27, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    Why all the ridiculous comments about what she makes per show, etc. There was no one commenting or pretending to know what she makes per episode (at least not in this thread)
    /
    tcparra, Why not? The haters are extreme and others are talking about how ridiculous they are. I love a funny reality check. 🙂

    /
    Also waving Hi! to Marci.

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  40. HB says

    September 27, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Very interesting tweet from Kate in re. TLC – international! ;0)

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  41. Joy says

    September 27, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    Anyone remember Omarosa from a season of The Apprentice? She became one of the most hated women in America because she was a backstabber, demanding, pushy and not a likeable person at all. She held that title for awhile too even after the show was over. Today from that appearance she has made herself quite a career on and off the TV. So if you think that someone will have no success because in your eyes she is despised by so many people, rethink you might want to rethink your position. Dancing with the Stars had higher ratings then they had held for a long time while Kate was on there and enough to draw the attention of ABC. Of course TLC wasn’t about to let go of her and I suspect that there is still a connection with TLC and she is still getting a salary. How much she might be getting paid, well it’s none of our business but she tweeted a short while ago that she had a 1 hour interview with overseas media representing six countries. So hold off everyone let’s not put Kate in the grave because I suspect there is much more going on in the background then we are privy to.

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  42. snickers says

    September 27, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    Joy,

    I hope Kate and the kids can sell their program to all the oversea markets. That’s a good business woman. I hope she has protected the ownings of the show for her and the children.

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  43. Joy says

    September 27, 2011 at 4:03 pm

    snickers I agree and hopefully Kate had her own lawyer separate from TLC and protected the family’s rights as far as residuals and such. A good lawyer whose expertise is in the entertainment world and contracts surely would protect their rights. I still maintain it’s not any of our business to know the specifics of any of this. I’m betting if she is drawing a salary it’s not near what it was but something is better than nothing.

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  44. Pam@IW says

    September 27, 2011 at 4:54 pm

    Sage has a quite informative post up. Check it out.

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  45. MarieS says

    September 27, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    People that are hated by the world but are actually just hated by a handful of people on the internet who have jobs in tv:
    Elizabeth Hasslebeck
    Bethenny Hoppy
    Piers Morgan
    Simon Cowell
    Brian Gumble
    Nancy Grace

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  46. MarieS says

    September 27, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    Rosie Odonnell

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  47. Joy says

    September 27, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    Well Kate cleared up another misconception. The info originally came from Ellen in a tweet but who would have suspected it was another lie? Kate is not under contract until the end of Feb. 2012. Someone asked Kate that question in a tweet and Kate said it wasn’t true. Why Ellen made that claim who knows? It was claimed during that time when Jon tried to stop the kids from going to Australia.

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  48. RokKandy says

    September 27, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    Oh Please. Kate IS a fame whore ( weather you like that term or not ) it fits her to a T. Kate Gosselin is all about Kate Gosselin She is NOT interested in anything but herself. What job in show biz would want her to start with and no one wants to see her back on tv. They turned in to see the kids NOT HER. And has anyone thought that ANY job in tv is either in NY or LA so she WONT BE HOME. She is bit chin about not being home if she were a nurse but you gotta be kidding. Even if she got a job it would probably be in NY which is in a totally different state. Who does she think she is kidding? GO back to work. Stop with the plastic surgery and fake tans fake nails fake boobs BOTOX hooker heels cars hair extensions the list is endless. There are a TON of parents who have 8 or more kids that make it work just fine without being on TV.

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  49. MarieS says

    September 28, 2011 at 5:37 am

    Rok –
    The location is no problem. She can move. The fake, fake, fake .. no problem EVERYONE on tv has fake, fake, fake. The faker the better. The statistics on 8 or more kids indicate that over 4 children means that you live in poverty. So I say get the job, find a nice house, move and keep up the fake tan, BOTOX and all the things that make us like people on tv. Thank heavens she’s not in her twenties or she would need to drink, pass out and have sex on camera.

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  50. Kiki says

    September 28, 2011 at 6:28 am

    If people only watched to see the kids, why have so many other shows with cute kids gone away? Why weren’t their mothers invited to do DWTS, the Emmys, ET, etc?

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  51. Teresa E. says

    September 28, 2011 at 7:11 am

    “There are a TON of parents who have 8 or more kids that make it work just fine without being on TV.”

    .

    Haters say this all the time and it drives me bonkers. Yes, of course, there are people with lots of kids who do fine without being on TV but why does someone HAVE TO do it that way? Oh that’s right, THEY DON’T.

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  52. Marci says

    September 28, 2011 at 7:28 am

    @ Lily, Anya….hey, chicas! 😉

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  53. TCparra says

    September 28, 2011 at 7:57 am

    Another “lie” cleared up? Sure, sure, sure. Lets see the original tweet that was put out there by Ellen. Keep making up stuff. Even if Ellen did tweet that, why does it have to be a lie? IF she did tweet that, maybe it was the truth as far as she knew it. Not everything Kate says is the gospel truth.

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  54. TCparra says

    September 28, 2011 at 8:02 am

    I think the idea of when the contract ended was being tossed around for a long time before Ellen allegedly made some tweet that just happens to fit perfectly into another made up story.

    Hair and makeup only do so much for a person, it takes talent and the ability to work with people that will actually get you further.

    Kate & Jon both said early on that they didn’t have lawyers present when they signed on. Know one knows what deals they have for residuals or DVD sales, but don’t get your panties all in a bunch, she’s not coming back. IMO.

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  55. Judy says

    September 28, 2011 at 8:07 am

    Well, TC, since Ellen has blocked almost all of us because we support Kate, it’s pretty hard to find one of her tweets. In addition, from what I understand, she and Jon have erased many of their more incriminating tweets. Someone else might be able to put more light on this.

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  56. TCparra says

    September 28, 2011 at 8:15 am

    Judy, I’m sorry, just very hard to take comments serious when they say “it was back when” or “I cant find it now, BUT I KNOW it was there” and post these ridiculous comments that are filled with imaginary scenarios and DRAMA blog material. Again, though, the contract end date has been tossed around for quite a long time.

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  57. MarieS says

    September 28, 2011 at 8:25 am

    Ellen tweeted that as the end date to the contract. I know that’s what I read and I could care less if anyone else believes it. It’s not my job to educate people. I read and use what I read to formulate my opinions. If you don’t have the same opinion, meh.

    If someone says something that I didn’t see or read then I’ll look for it. But I wouldn’t expect them to find something and show me. We’re not in grade school here. We’re all savvy enough to search and google. I always thought it was a little lazy that people expect someone else to do their research.

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  58. Pam@IW says

    September 28, 2011 at 8:30 am

    MarieS,
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    I remember when Ellen tweeted about the contract. People talked about it here and also at the Bl’s site and other sites. It was discussed and I saw the tweet.

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  59. TCparra says

    September 28, 2011 at 8:31 am

    I’m not researching something that is MADE UP! Plain and simple. If you are going to say something about somebody to make your comments seem less insane, then you should have the “information” available to back up your comment. Just because you say it, doesn’t then mean everyone should believe it or they are lazy.

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  60. TCparra says

    September 28, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Pam, ok so you say you saw it. What did it say? What context? Why does it have to be a “LIE?” Was this tweet a moment of Ellen and Jon being mean or vile or “haters”? I guess it’s just amazing when someone tries to create a scenario using something to fit into the spin cycle they want to present.

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  61. Pam@IW says

    September 28, 2011 at 8:39 am

    I never said it was a lie. I remember reading about it. Not sure why this is an issue. Things change all the time.
    .
    There could have been a contract until Jan of 2012 that was contingent on the show not being cancelled. Who knows and who cares.
    .
    Apparently Kate cleared it up on Twitter yesterday and she really doesn’t need to give out any more information than that.

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  62. Pam@IW says

    September 28, 2011 at 8:41 am

    I think if you really want to know exactly what it said, you can go to the BL’s site and look around. I know they discussed it over there but I think that was about a year ago, wasn’t it?

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  63. TCparra says

    September 28, 2011 at 8:41 am

    I was referring to another commentor who said it was a lie.

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  64. Kmom2 says

    September 28, 2011 at 8:42 am

    I remember the tweet too. Ellen was calling for people to boycott the show, and I think call sponsors to complain in an effort to get the show cancelled because Ol Lamefish lost in court. I can’t remember if it was over the Austraila trip or filimg rights, when the judge gave all rights to Kate as far as filming, or maybe that was all in the same case. I could be that IDIOT JON told Ellen something that wasn’t true. He’s not exactly known for his HONESTY, or being smart enough to follow a contract.

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  65. Pam@IW says

    September 28, 2011 at 8:45 am

    Kmom2,
    You are right. It was in October after Jon lost in court.

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  66. GeeWhiz says

    September 28, 2011 at 8:55 am

    tcparra it WAS NOT made up. Below was posted at the BL’s:

    Friday, October 15, 2010
    A public plea for help from Jon
    Team Jon is asking for help after a family law judge has allowed, at least for the time being, Kate to keep filming the children.

    Jon’s girlfriend tweeted today: Guys – if you’d like to assist us in our battle please email me at the email on my blog, ill give u more info!! Thanks =)

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  67. Lily@IW says

    September 28, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Thanks Geewhiz,

    IRC, Ellen had the information about the kids being under contract until Feb. 2012 in her letter where she called for a boycott. That letter used to be posted somewhere, I think it was at BKIA’s. It’s been awhile.

    I doubt that their contract holds out that long since the show is no longer being filmed. That would be restrictive on Kate’s ability to earn.

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  68. Joy says

    September 28, 2011 at 9:23 am

    This is for #53 who sounds like she might need a McD’s Happy Meal. This is what was said by Ellen in an email.

    This is what Ellen says in her email.

    “THose kids are stuck in their contract for atleast another year, UNLESS tlc decides to cancel the show because of low ratings. we need to refuse to watch that show, we need to have evryone write to tlc to say they dont want it on, and also they need to contact advertisers of the show – companies that sponsor it, product placement,e tc… and tell them to stop supporting it… if the shows cancelled, the contract ends. if not, it will continue for atleast another year… feb 2012 🙁 we have to spread the word for ppl to start doing this and complaining and writing in.
    October 15, 2010 10:12 PM

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  69. Joy says

    September 28, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Pam you’re right,who cares whether that was the end date or not, things change? Some people take things far too seriously doncha think?

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  70. Kmom2 says

    September 28, 2011 at 9:26 am

    LOL Good Job Joy! There you go providing PROOF/FACTS! LOL LOL

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  71. GeeWhiz says

    September 28, 2011 at 9:38 am

    Thanks Joy. Still can’t believe she had the nerve to send the tweet and email. The Gosselin kids are not and never will be hers and she was out of line.

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  72. TCparra says

    September 28, 2011 at 9:44 am

    OK, she said till feb 2012. She didn’t give a date or end date, So she wasn’t lying if the contract ended in Feb. If you split hairs and call that a lie, then so be it. Lets not forget that there are children involved here and if you want to fight the good fight to prove that the contract ended whenever, then have at it. As it has been stated previously, who cares? The show is over.

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  73. Sadiemay says

    September 28, 2011 at 9:48 am

    You were the one who seemed to care more than anyone here.

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  74. TCparra says

    September 28, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Out of line? Oh please. The man she is with has kids who were being filmed to death and at the time pulled out of school to go and complete a JOB (judges words). Jon was obviously distraught (his kids, his right) and she was there with him and dealing with all of this. She can say whatever she wants, Jon and her are a couple. No matter what you think, she may become their step parent if they get married. How does that make you feel? Will you still act as if she has no say? YOU are mad because she was attempting to stop or disrupt the filming of Kate and the kids and that just doesn’t sit well with you.

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  75. MarieS says

    September 28, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Joy – you’re right and you have the skills to find the documentation.

    TC – you’re wrong and you have no skills using the internet.

    So in the future when I see to seemingly different sets of facts. I will believe Joy.

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  76. TCparra says

    September 28, 2011 at 9:53 am

    I only care about the lies being spread here. Some of my comments are edited before being published, but the when some commentors make stuff up and are caught, they simply change to another “story” and run with it.

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  77. TCparra says

    September 28, 2011 at 9:55 am

    Marie, well believe who ever you want. I am NOT pretending to know facts and then post them as gospel truth. Since we don’t want to go over past “made up” stuff, I will just say again, believe who you want but I wouldn’t quote that information too many places. You may end up having egg on your face.

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  78. Joy says

    September 28, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Kmom2 I suspect even with providing the proof won’t tame the anger that someone here appears to harbor for some unknown reason. Some people take things far too seriously and act like it’s a matter of life and death. Frankly there are other issues that are far more important in this world and the Gosselin family certainly isn’t at the top of the list for me. It sure isn’t important enough to shorten my life span but to each their own.

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  79. Kmom2 says

    September 28, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Joy proof and facts don’t prove anything to that person. I have said it before…there’s a connection there somewhere….I have never seen anyone so vehemently defend Old Lamefish and Erin. A personal connection is there some how, some where.

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  80. Pam@IW says

    September 28, 2011 at 10:06 am

    Tcparra,

    I have no idea why you only care about the lies being spread here. Doesn’t make sense to me.

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  81. Kmom2 says

    September 28, 2011 at 10:08 am

    TC….why is the “lies” being spread here are your only concern? You thought nothing of spreading the lie about Kate’s hit and run. And you think your comments are edited before posting??????? Paranoid much?

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  82. TCparra says

    September 28, 2011 at 10:10 am

    Kmom, give it up. I do NOT have any connection Jon & Ellen (why do fanatics insist on calling her Erin?) Isn’t her name Ellen. Lamefish is so mature. I only defend or question when stuff is made up or simply said and then treated as fact. This time, there was people who remember and saw it. That isn’t always the case. Again, I am the minority here, so any support of Jon or Ellen is front and center. That doesn’t mean I have any vested interests in them.

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  83. TCparra says

    September 28, 2011 at 10:13 am

    I KNOW they are edited. Because I know what I typed. Thing is, I know why Pam edited them and that’s fine.

    I didn’t spread the hit and run rumor. I said it ONCE and Pam corrected me on it. I didnt go on and on and on that I know it happened and I have proof, etc. I was corrected and I accepted it. End of story.

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  84. MarieS says

    September 28, 2011 at 10:19 am

    TC-
    Practice what you preach.

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  85. Kmom2 says

    September 28, 2011 at 10:23 am

    See this is the thing, TC…..repeating information is “spreading”. Repeating information when you have no idea if it’s fact or fiction is spreading rumor. Justify it as you see fit.

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  86. Joy says

    September 28, 2011 at 10:30 am

    Should we ask tc to show the proof that anything and everything that has been said here is a lie? Let’s ask her to provide the proof every time she makes that accusation. It goes both ways tc. We have provided proof over and over again to you tc that what we have stated is a fact, and yet I don’t remember a single time where tc has provided the proof that other people on this blog lie. It goes both ways, at least it should. When it downgrades to consistent attacks and accusations towards particular posters here on a regular basis, that is when a discussion is no longer fun or viable.

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  87. GeeWhiz says

    September 28, 2011 at 10:36 am

    tc – Seems to me you are the one with egg on your face since it was proven to you what Ellen said. I have never seen any lies spread here. When someone misspeaks they admit it was a mistake.
    .
    Even if they get married Ellen will NEVER have a say in the decisions regarding the kids. That will always be between their parents Kate and Jon. It was not her place to interfere, especially after the judge issued an order giving filming rights to Kate.
    .
    Filmed to death? Another lie of yours. They were filmed on vacation in Australia/New Zealand and made awesome memories along with learning new cultures. The kids said they loved the trip.
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    Please give me the link to the “judge’s word” about the kids filming only because it was a job. I never read his press release discussing the court case.

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  88. Kmom2 says

    September 28, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Show me proof Jon was “distraught”.

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  89. Joy says

    September 28, 2011 at 10:40 am

    I don’t know about you Kmom or anyone else on this blog but I don’t consider myself a fanatic of the Gosseilns. I see a group of people that have an interest on a particular topic who come together to discuss it. This isn’t the only subject I participate on this blog either as I’m interested in many different areas of discussion but to me a fanatic is one who only will discuss one subject and has no interest in discussions on other topics outside the Gosselin world. Hum…I don’t recall tc participating regularly on other discussions other than the Gosselins. Wouldn’t that be a fanatic? A person who has an interest in only one topic?

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  90. GeeWhiz says

    September 28, 2011 at 10:43 am

    (why do fanatics insist on calling her Erin?) Isn’t her name Ellen. Lamefish is so mature. ~ tcparra
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    I can’t believe you typed that. That’s all you and your hate buddies do to Kate and her supporters at the gutter site you post at.

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  91. TCparra says

    September 28, 2011 at 10:45 am

    Pam, do you really want people to come to your blog and make stuff up and then pretend they have all the info? I would think you do care about your blog turning into a Drama blog. I don’t “care” to the point that I can’t sleep at night or am unable to do anything for the day, I care to the point where your blog has good content and intelligent posters, except for the drama posters who would love to spend all day here just deflecting, deflecting and throwing in a made up opinion here and there.

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  92. Joy says

    September 28, 2011 at 10:48 am

    tc says…”Filmed to death?” I have seen this statement time and time again and I still haven’t seen any proof that the children were “filmed to death.” I would love for the anti fans to show the proof for this accusation especially when there are laws in place that spell out how much time children are filmed and I seriously doubt that there is a shred of truth to this rumor.

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  93. Kmom2 says

    September 28, 2011 at 10:51 am

    No I’m not a fanatic either. I post at 2 sites concerning the Gosselins because I know both sites do not perpetuate rumors/lies. I support Kate’s right to raise her children as she sees fit and live her life according to her own rules. I do particpate in other discussions on this site.

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  94. Pam@IW says

    September 28, 2011 at 10:51 am

    TCparra,

    You and I appear to be reading at two different sites. Maybe you have several sites up while you are posting and you get confused.
    .

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  95. Joy says

    September 28, 2011 at 10:54 am

    #91 The only person that brings drama to this blog is you. You have called many of us liars, fanatics,etc. Now you are trying to say that some of the people that blog here have no intelligence? TC you have gone too far. Now you want us to take IQ tests? You are here far more than anyone else including weekends. Don’t you have a life?

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  96. Pam@IW says

    September 28, 2011 at 11:01 am

    TCparra,

    I love the people that post here. They are respectful and intelligent. Have you ever read our Our World? Ooooh that Jennie from IW..I just don’t agree with her or her politics ( I swear she makes her stuff up too 😉 ) so I think I will throw her off . Ban her from IW. Oh that is right…she is one of the owners. Drats.
    .
    Seriously, I don’t agree with Jennie on quite a few things in the political world and there are times when I wonder where she comes up with things she says, but she is intelligent, passionate and a fantastic writer. I have learned a few things from her and at times I can see her point and where she may be right.
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    Everyone has something to contribute, in my mind. As long as we keep it respectful. I also think that many people can figure out things for themselves when it comes to whether someone is not quite honest or is embellishing things.

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  97. Pam@IW says

    September 28, 2011 at 11:02 am

    And this is where we will end the personal back and forth.

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  98. Joy says

    September 28, 2011 at 11:14 am

    Pam your comment #96 is an excellent example and I agree everyone has things to contribute and different points of view is what makes this world interesting. If we all agreed 100% on all subjects I suspect it would be a very boring world to live in. You are right respect is what is expected and should be valued but calling into question people’s intelligence, calling them liars and an assortment of names is not productive but in fact counter productive.

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  99. TCparra says

    September 28, 2011 at 11:40 am

    I was being serious. I thought her name was Ellen. I’m not trying to be sarcastic. If her real name is erin, fine, I didnt know that.

    I know it’s none of my business in the end who posts at your blog, just as I have no right to tell anyone to not post. I guess I have not been in the cyber blogging world long enough to understand why some people use different aliases when posting.

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  100. CoCoPuff says

    September 28, 2011 at 11:41 am

    tcparra said… She can say whatever she wants, Jon and her are a couple. No matter what you think, she may become their step parent if they get married. How does that make you feel? Will you still act as if she has no say?
    ***********************************************
    Even as a Step mother Ellen will have NO say !

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  101. TCparra says

    September 28, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Thanks Pam. No problemo. Off to make a nice salad with parm cheese, olive oil dressing, croutons, chicken breast and secret ingredient, crumbled up saltines. Shake and EAT. Have a great afternoon.

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  102. TCparra says

    September 28, 2011 at 11:49 am

    OK CoCo, then that would be a very retro relationship. Man speak, woman jump. If she and Jon were married, they as a couple raising 8 children would and should partner together on their upbringing, ALONG with Kate and decide what is in the best interest of the children. Thats not to say Ellen has rights to discipline the children at will. There is no hidden agenda or conspiracy for Ellen to be involved. IF they got married, why should her love and care be restricted because she is a “Step” parent?

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  103. CoCoPuff says

    September 28, 2011 at 11:53 am

    I am off to do laundry, I throw in similar colored clothes add soap & softner turn on washer and it washes the clothes ~ its amazing.~LMAO!

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  104. GeeWhiz says

    September 28, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    They are not and never will be HER kids. She can cook and clean for them the fours days they are with Jon but all life decisions are between Kate and Jon, their parents.

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  105. Kmom2 says

    September 28, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    A relationship with Jon is the other way around…..Woman speak, Man jump. As a married couple Jon and Ellen decide what the rules are for the children in “their house”. Jon and Kate make to decisions with regard to the childrens lives, education etc. Beyond the walls of “their house” Ellen should support Jon, but is not entitled to be included in decision making regarding the children. But knowing how Jon is, Ellen will be calling the shots as she sees fit while Jon stands back scratching his butt.

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  106. Kmom2 says

    September 28, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Coco….I just staged a “laundry strike” at my house. I got tired of the “Why didn’t you wash _______ (fill in the blank) MOM!!!” So now the evil teenagers are scrambling to get their own laundry done. They can either ask nicely, or do it themselves.

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  107. TCparra says

    September 28, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Sure, UNTIL they get married that is. Of course this is all based on IF they do.

    “knowing how jon is”.. thats funny, you DON’T know how jon is so your comment is rather funny. Scratching his butt? OK, and this is drawn from what? That you “know” jon?

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  108. TCparra says

    September 28, 2011 at 12:51 pm

    I don’t think Ellen would ever consider them “her” kids. However, she can love them like they are hers. Only reason someone wouldn’t want that is they are jealous where Ellen is in regards to the children’s lives. The number of days the children are with Jon & Ellen will never be accurate in the public forum. Considering that all custody issues were sealed, speculating on the visitation and/or numbers of days is just that, speculating.

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  109. Joy says

    September 28, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    I don’t know which of the IW ladies found that video on the sidebar but I just loved it. That child is better with the technology than I’ve seen from some adults. I think he could give adults a tip or two on using it. lol I’m not sure what his age is, to me he looks under 2 yrs, but I was surprised at his speech level and how he could correctly name what he was working with. He speaks better than some three year olds I’ve seen. The parents of this child are sure one lucky couple as he is so adorable. What a wonderful gift that child is to his parents.

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  110. Kmom2 says

    September 28, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    Lots and lots of footage of Jon doing NOTHING until he’s told to do it. He’s not exactly a “proactive” person, and that’s well documented. Even after they are married, Ellen is not entitled to be a part of the decision making process as far as the 8 go. She should support Jon, or Jon’s opinion, but it should NEVER EVER be a case of “ellen, what do you think?” She is not a parent, she is not responsible for those kids. Kate and Jon are. PERIOD.

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  111. Lily@IW says

    September 28, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    IF they got married, why should her love and care be restricted because she is a “Step” parent?~tcparra

    Because she is a “step,” that’s why. marriage doesn’t make you a mom. She certainly has rights in her own home about how the children behave and her own rules. She can love and care for them all she wants, but life decisions about the children are not hers to make. That’s one of the joys of being “step.” Kids may love a step as much as their own parents, but a step has no legal rights and it’s not up to a step-parent to decide their future. Imo, a good step-parent respects the rights of the bio parents.

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  112. Joy says

    September 28, 2011 at 1:15 pm

    I won’t argue that Ellen should love the children and in fact I really hope she does. It is a fact though that she won’t have any say in the children’s lives and that will remain with Jon and Kate and hopefuly she will also respect Kate’s decisions concerning the children and I would hope she would never try to put Kate down to the children and try to alienate their affection for their mother. I don’t get the part about anyone being jealous of Ellen. Who would? If you are thinking Kate would be jealous tc you might want to rethink that because in my opinion that won’t ever happen.

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  113. Anya@IW says

    September 28, 2011 at 1:18 pm

    Pam, very nice and spot on posts #96 & #97.
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    Ugh, step parents have it hard, don’t they? Not sure if Jon and Kate and the kids will ever have to deal with that issue. Every family handles it a bit differently. I will say that I think most agree that it is best for perspective/new step parents to hang back and let the parents do the parenting(particularly in the beginning). I think many agree that the Gisele Bundchen/LeAnn Rimes style of public step parenting is disrespectful and bound to cause resentment.

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  114. Kmom2 says

    September 28, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    Well it’s all sunshine and rainbows to profess “we don’t use ‘step’ in our family. It all sounds very progressive. But a good “step” respects the boundaries. You may not want to use the word “step” but the facts remains that that is what you are. You are not a TRUE parent and your wishes, opinions, etc. don’t matter. “Steps” should absolutely LOVE the children as if they are their own, but should absolutely respect their position and leave decisions to the true parents. I do agree with you Anya about the Bundchen/Rimes public step parenting.

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  115. GeeWhiz says

    September 28, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    I don’t think Ellen would ever consider them “her” kids. However, she can love them like they are hers. Only reason someone wouldn’t want that is they are jealous where Ellen is in regards to the children’s lives. The number of days the children are with Jon & Ellen will never be accurate in the public forum. Considering that all custody issues were sealed, speculating on the visitation and/or numbers of days is just that, speculating. ~ tcparra
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    Please explain how you came to the conclusion that Ellen did not consider them her kids. I never once said anything about her loving the kids. I commented that she will NEVER have a say in the decisions regarding the kids. There is nothing about Ellen I would be jealous of. Go back and view Jon’s homemade video. He said he sees them on the weekends.

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  116. Deborah says

    September 28, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    If we are going by the seasons on the show it was only the first season Jon was hands on. I didn’t get the drift things stayed like that. After that first season is when Kate started to lose it more and more. Its when she started showing her irritation with Jon. For some reason some women think because he did that at one time that he earned the title of the hands on dad. After that Kate had to beg him shame him anything to get him to help. Yes she did let herself be seen like that, something I couldn’t do. I think it would help the non fans/haters vision if they watched the shows over.

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  117. GeeWhiz says

    September 28, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    I think it would help the non fans/haters vision if they watched the shows over. ~ Deborah
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    And when they watch them concentrate on Jon and tune Kate out. They will see he was very mean to Kate. Yes, he could be fun but only if it was something he wanted to do.

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  118. Pam@IW says

    September 28, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    Kate tweeted this about the ROL article:
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    Kateplusmy8: NOT 1 stitch of truth in radar article, once again… & radar u can’t even report my website properly! It’s: kateplusmy8.com @radar_online

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  119. Deborah says

    September 28, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    When I first googled the Gosselins it was when it came out in the media Jon was out at the bars. At the time I liked Jon more than Kate. That changed the more I got into it. I watched the reruns and did just what you suggested GeeWhiz in #117. I put myself in Kate’s place. Then watched the rest of the shows Jon was on. Then the divorce.
    I don’t see any qualities in him to be proud off.
    No big deal, he wasn’t put on this earth to live up to my standards just like Kate was not put on this earth to live up to anyone else’s standers either.

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  120. Ann@IW says

    September 28, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    I agree 100% with you Anya! I remember when Charlene was commenting she said that Kate has to “glam up” as part of her career, and I understood her to mean: if she wants to stay in TV she has to look and act the part. Nothing wrong with that.

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  121. TCparra says

    September 28, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    I’m talking about fans being jealous of Ellens relation to the children, not Kate. I never said Ellen would have control over them or authority to change anything. A lot of speculating that she would do things to usurp Kates authority. That is silly.

    Lots and lots of footage? Where? What show were you watching. I have seen a lot of footage where Kate is sitting in a white plastic chair “directing” things, but that doesnt mean she was in charge and Jon was doing nothing. Again, what footage are you talking about?

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  122. TCparra says

    September 28, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    Once a loved one becomes a Step parent, to say they have NO say is rather strange. You are not talking about robots here, these are real parents and people who love and adore the children.

    The only reason there is so many strong feelings about how little Ellen will have to do with raising the kids is because it is Kate. I’m not saying and I don’t think Ellen would try to be a parent in “control”. But to say she has nothing to do with raising the kids is not reasonable.

    Unless you think she will have say in the kids being filmed and you wouldn’t want that impacted, there I can see why a fan might be so worried about what say Ellen has.

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  123. Deborah says

    September 28, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    From season two and on.
    I saw Kate in the white chair once, maybe twice. What show were you watching ?

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  124. Lily@IW says

    September 28, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    The only reason there is so many strong feelings about how little Ellen will have to do with raising the kids is because it is Kate.~tcparra

    Nope, nothing to do w/Kate.

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  125. Joy says

    September 28, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    #124 Lily I agree with your statement. It has nothing to do with Kate. Not at all.

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  126. TCparra says

    September 28, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    Kate can look and act the part all day. It still takes TALENT. Maybe there is some truth to the Radar story. Besides, who are these sources? If it was Jon and the article said sources, you all would be on that like white on rice. So who is the source for Kate’s “stories”? Maybe somebody trying too make a buck off Kate? Let me guess, you will blame jon.

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  127. Unbelievable says

    September 28, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    For a little perspective, let’s reverse the situation. Kate meets someone. They get married so now there’s a step-dad in the picture. Now imagine the hysteria in the Gosselin blogosphere if Kate (or any of her supporters) suggested that her new husband should have a primary role in raising the children.

    Bottom line: There are two parents in the picture. If Mom or Dad chooses to remarry, there will still be two parents in the picture who are and should be responsible for the decision-making about their children. The step-parent is not a partner in the raising of children when there are two biological parents willing and able to fulfill their parental role. It’s parenting, not a menage-a-trois.

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  128. TCparra says

    September 28, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Then what is it Lily? I can’t believe this many people would have such strong feelings over a “step” parent. Almost as if you would prefer that the children (Kate & Jon’s) never have anyone else in their lives EXCEPT Kate & Jon. It may not be the perfect situation, but it is another parent and person to guide and look out for the child.

    But all this is hypothetical. It will only matter if and when Jon & Ellen get married.

    Please, what show were you watching that Jon did nothing? That is such a load of stink. That was what made the show popular in the beginning, Kate & Jon working together to raise the kids. Maybe when Jon was entering his Ed Hardy phase he wasn’t the hands on dad he should have been, but you can’t take away from him that he was there, front and center with those kids. It comes down to the fact that most of you can’t stand Jon and ANYTHING you can use to minimize him, you will.

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  129. Lily@IW says

    September 28, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    Then what is it Lily? I can’t believe this many people would have such strong feelings over a “step” parent. Almost as if you would prefer that the children (Kate & Jon’s) never have anyone else in their lives EXCEPT Kate & Jon. ~TCparra

    Can you get more extreme? No one ever said they shouldn’t have step-parents or anyone else in their lives. We’re talking about the rights of the parents. A stranger doesn’t get to come into the life of your children and take over for you. There are exceptions when there is absentee/often absentee parent. But, as long as the bio parent is in the picture, they are not the children of the step.

    I was not an every-other weekend stepmom, very far from it. I love my stepson like my own (now an adult). He has two mothers and I am one of them. I was the mom that didn’t get to make decisions about where he went to school, what sports he played, etc. I love him so much that I would never have tried to encroach on his mother’s rights. To be a good stepmom, you have to respect a mother’s love for her child, you also need to respect a child’s love and loyalty for his mother.

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  130. Deborah says

    September 29, 2011 at 8:15 am

    That was what made the show popular in the beginning, Kate & Jon working together to raise the kids.

    Key words Tc, in the beginning and I agree. There were three seasons before Ed Hardy. Watch those again and put yourself in Kate’s place.

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  131. Deborah says

    September 29, 2011 at 8:32 am

    I so agree Lily, I was a step mom to two boys for years. The oldest lived with us full time for the first four. The younger full time until he was 19. Even though I was the full time mom there were decisions that were not mine to make.
    At vacation time when kids were exchanged we would meet up and do stuff together. I don’t believe that could have happened if I didn’t respect their mother and her love for them or their love for her.
    I also don’t believe she would have trusted me enough to let her sons live in my home.

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  132. Kmom2 says

    September 29, 2011 at 8:33 am

    Very well said #129 Lily. It’s all about respect for the mother and child relationship.

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  133. TCparra says

    September 29, 2011 at 10:12 am

    I am not saying the step has any control or rights over someone else’s children. All I am saying is that with love and respect, ultimately the step will help raise the child. Thats all. No attempt to control or persuade the bio parent to do things differently.

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  134. snickers says

    September 29, 2011 at 10:40 am

    I believe it’s what the step is involved with in how they add to a family mix. Being young and having no children of their own, leaves an impression on young minds which sometimes is not all that great.

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  135. GeeWhiz says

    September 29, 2011 at 10:41 am

    To be a good stepmom, you have to respect a mother’s love for her child, you also need to respect a child’s love and loyalty for his mother. ~ Lily
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    I agree. That is what bothers me about Ellen. She has proven she does not respect Kate by posing for pictures at Kate’s house, tweeting that rapper her delight with the disgusting song about Kate, tweeting and emailing asking support to get the kids off TV. With these public displays I shudder to think what she whispers in the kids ear about their mom.

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  136. TCparra says

    September 29, 2011 at 11:00 am

    and then we have the extreme position on a step…. of course. It really doesn’t matter what you think, Kate has never said anything bad about ellen or her being with Jon and influencing the children. Pure speculation on “what she whispers in their ears”. I don’t think the relationship would last if the step is being “evil” as you want to portray. More Drama blog stuff..sigh.

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  137. CoCoPuff says

    September 29, 2011 at 11:10 am

    GeeWhiz says:
    September 29, 2011 at 10:41 am

    To be a good stepmom, you have to respect a mother’s love for her child, you also need to respect a child’s love and loyalty for his mother. ~ Lily
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    I agree. That is what bothers me about Ellen. She has proven she does not respect Kate by posing for pictures at Kate’s house, tweeting that rapper her delight with the disgusting song about Kate, tweeting and emailing asking support to get the kids off TV. With these public displays I shudder to think what she whispers in the kids ear about their mom.
    *******************************************
    ITA ~ Ellen is also friends with crazy people that hate Kate, as well as pose for pictures in her I heart hater hat.

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  138. CoCoPuff says

    September 29, 2011 at 11:30 am

    There is no speculation ~It is the TRUTH.

    Ellen is good friends with Kate’s haters~ she laughed at a disgusting song about Kate.
    Ellen has asked for haters help in her quest to get Kate~ETC.

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  139. snickers says

    September 29, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Kate doesn’t mention Ellen, why would she. I wouldn’t either. 🙂 Ellen has put herself out there for the public to see for themselves. Jon had several gf’s before her so he just added another to the list. Really, no comparison between Ellen and Kate. Jon likes those girls that party hard with him. Some choose to see the sweet Ellen, while others see the truth.

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  140. Kmom2 says

    September 29, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Speculation? Possibly. But when you very publically disrespect someone the way Ellen has Kate, it’s only natural to wonder if she will act like this in PUBLIC, what on earth does she do in private?

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  141. TCparra says

    September 29, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    OMG you people are amazing. Who really cares who Ellen poses with or wears what. She hasn’t done anything to harm those children or hurt Jon and thats all that matters. You don’t like her and you wish Kate would come out and say I hate Ellen or something. Again, I would say you are all jealous of Ellen. She is smack dab in the center of the gosselin world and you can’t handle it.

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  142. TCparra says

    September 29, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    Some of these comments are like you were at a party or close contact to Ellen or Jon. “she is friends with haters” Who? Did she agree with some story about Kate that you didn’t like?

    Publicly disrespected Kate? When? How? You will distort anything and make it appear as a hater action if not 100% kate love.

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  143. TCparra says

    September 29, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    Don’t even bother explaining why your level of hate is OK. You don’t like Ellen or Jon and you will turn any event into an issue. The show is over and Kate cannot get work and its not Jon or Ellens fault.

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  144. TCparra says

    September 29, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    I suppose the latest pics of Kate p/u the kids not looking happy is Jon’s fault or Ellen? Maybe Jon said something to upset her? I mean, lets pretend we know and make up as much stuff as we can to justify why she looks pissed!

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  145. Kmom2 says

    September 29, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    Ellen has LESS THAN NOTHING that I am jealous of. It’s not about being jealous. You are completely missing the point. Ellen has posted a picture of herself wearing a hat that says “I (heart) HATERS”, she has publically tweeted how “f*&(%#g hilarious” a vile rapper’s song about Kate being a bitch, btw, jon joined her in that sentiment, encouraged people to help her get the show cancelled (ending the income for the family) and much more and since YOU don’t know about this stuff, you think we are making it up and are just jealous???? SIMPLY AMAZING!! And just to let you know…..Ellen is not smack dab in the middle of the gosselin world……..she is a girlfriend with pissy dogs. Nothing more. And I won’t waste my time in hating Ellen. To hate someone means you have to first care about them. I don’t care enough about her to hate her. She needs to be respectful of Kate and Kate’s role as mother of those kids. Clearly she is not.

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  146. snickers says

    September 29, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    No one is jealous of Ellen. In fact, who wants to be hooked up with haters, has pissy dogs, and can’t seem to get Jon to marry her. Really, you have to feel sorry for her, being straddled with Jon who uses people to do his dirty work for him. She is not stuck, she wanted fame, even her old roommates told that, not sitting on a couch all night and watching kids 2 weekends a month. Big date night would be watching Jersey Shore and eating taco’s, oh I mean pizza. Sorry, jealousy would be the first thing from my mind. 🙂

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  147. snickers says

    September 29, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    Who said Kate not getting a job was Jon or Ellen’s fault. When you have a team of haters on twitter, they do the dirty work for them, and they have clean hands.

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  148. GeeWhiz says

    September 29, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    tcparra – You can’t handle the FACTS we give about Jon and Ellen. We do not need your permission to discuss how their documented actions may affect the kids.
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    You claim she “hasn’t done anything to harm those children”? Unless you have talked to the children you have no idea.
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  149. Anya@IW says

    September 29, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    TCparra says I mean, lets pretend we know and make up as much stuff as we can to justify why she looks pissed!
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    I think you are thinking of BL’s blog when you make that statement. 🙂
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    I assume you mean the pics over at INF? Looks like Kate was annoyed with someone (one or more of the kids?), but I wouldn’t presume to say for certain.

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  150. Unbelievable says

    September 29, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    OMG you people are amazing. Who really cares who Ellen poses with or wears what. She hasn’t done anything to harm those children or hurt Jon and thats all that matters.

    Coming from someone who drones on and on about “speculation,” this comment is quite entertaining. You claim to have no connection to Ellen, so you are in no position to make such a statement.

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    September 29, 2011 at 3:39 pm

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  152. Deborah says

    September 29, 2011 at 3:58 pm

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  153. Lily@IW says

    September 29, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    Some of these comments are like you were at a party or close contact to Ellen or Jon. “she is friends with haters” Who? Did she agree with some story about Kate that you didn’t like?

    Publicly disrespected Kate? When? How? You will distort anything and make it appear as a hater action if not 100% kate love. ~ TCparra
    /

    Deja vu Deja vu

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  154. Deborah says

    September 29, 2011 at 4:12 pm

    Does anyone have a link to that UTube video about Kate the one with the link to the nasty video. + Ellen’s tweet back to the person, Something about being f—ing right on, or cool ?
    I think TC should see it, it was all public at the time.
    I didn’t save it, it made me too sick.
    Does anyone remember where it was posted ?
    I don’t believe there is any speculation about it.

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  155. Patsy says

    September 29, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    My first post anywhere. I have a question. There have been photos of Kate picking up the kids at the bus stop on nearly every gossip site. ROL, Inf< Holly etc. Nothing even mentioned on this or any Kate lover
    site. I guess ignorance really is bliss. Do you always ignore seeing the G8 mentally abused?

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  156. snickers says

    September 29, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    My first post anywhere, lol. They always know what Kate is doing tho. 🙂 I think it would be hard to get 8 kids loaded with 8 backpacks and try to keep some order. Gee, our school was dimissed early today, cornfield fire less than a mile from the school, and teachers and parents were yelling to get kids loaded and out of there. I’ll have to check in tomorrow at the school to see if that was mental abuse or a safety for all the kids first.

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  157. Judy says

    September 29, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    How in the world do these photos show the kids being mentally abused? For a “first time poster”, someone certainly has the haterz’ spin on things, doesn’t she?

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  158. Marnie says

    September 29, 2011 at 6:47 pm

    Why are haters still whining about Kate’s hair. Even if you think she was lying about not paying for it, why would you think the guy who does it would lie about it? Geesh get over it. Nails are also not that expensive, it’s not like she’s getting a new set every time, good maintenance makes them last longer. I’m thinking haters must not groom themselves often or at all.

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  159. Marnie says

    September 29, 2011 at 7:05 pm

    It also doesn’t take a genius to see who follows Ellen and to see what those followers are all about. If that isn’t hooked up with haters, I’m not sure what is. It might be hard to see the haters though if RWA is a perfectly great site to post at on a regular basis.

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  160. GeeWhiz says

    September 29, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    It is mind boggling the conclusions haters come to. All those pictures show is Kate talking. Why didn’t INF post a video of Kate yelling? Hmmm, maybe because she wasn’t.

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  161. Marnie says

    September 29, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    INF didn’t need a video, they knew they could post pictures and the haters would speak for them!
    ——–
    Last point…… The big screen and small screens are filled with untalented, unlikeable and\or hated people still making a comfortable living in their chosen career field. Haters believing that Kate can’t and won’t make it because they don’t like her is hilarious considering they’ve already proven they’re willing to tune in despite their protests.

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  162. MarieS says

    September 29, 2011 at 7:40 pm

    Last point…… The big screen and small screens are filled with untalented, unlikeable and\or hated people still making a comfortable living in their chosen career field. Haters believing that Kate can’t and won’t make it because they don’t like her is hilarious considering they’ve already proven they’re willing to tune in despite their protests.

    …

    Star Jones – There was a time when EVERYONE hated her and NO ONE liked her and she was FIRED from the View. Now I see her doing commentary on the Today show among others.

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  163. TCparra says

    September 29, 2011 at 9:07 pm

    Watching the latest pity parade or reading blogs about Kates woes is a LOOOOOONG way from helping Kate make it. She needs real fans, in numbers. She needs to be likable. She needs talent. She needs the ability to be desirable to an audience. She has to be able to bring in a strong fan base. She has to be real and have real moments, not contrived. She needs to have some graciousness in her, even a small amount will do.

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  164. TCparra says

    September 29, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    I hear CJ has a OH SO unique take on the “story” currently out there on Rumorfix. Care to share?

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  165. snickers says

    September 29, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    Kate has supporters and yes fans. Seems like someone wants to mold Kate like she want her to be. Maybe she should try that charm on Jon. I would like to see him do many things, but I don’t go on other blogs telling him what to do. Jon needs to be real, not contrived. Jon needs to have graciousness in him, even a small amount would do. Jon needs to be likable and a desirable Father figure. Gee, wonder how all that advice would work for Jon.

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  166. TCparra says

    September 29, 2011 at 9:49 pm

    Apples and Oranges. Jon doesn’t want to be a STAH! Kate does. What I said about Kate is TRUE of any person who wants fame and stardom, imo. Maybe the haters keep you relevant, but for how long? Who wants people who dislike you to be your fan base? Nope, no molding here, just realistic ideas of what is the minimum to actually get somewhere.

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  167. snickers says

    September 29, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    Jon wants to be a STAH. He has a a litttle problem, contract breaker. The haters do keep her in the news, you go Kate!! I guess if the haters can get you a gig, go for it. Laugh all the way to the bank. You will go far, people in the news, good or bad press always come out with $$$$$.

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  168. TCparra says

    September 29, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    Sure haters will keep you relevant, until a new train wreck shows up. Haters are not going to keep her popular. If she was popular, TLC would still own her and be bragging about Twist Of Kate coming soom… oh wait, they dropped that in a hot minute once they fired Kate.

    Jon wants to be a star? OK, still reading Star Magazine? Contract breaker? When 2 years ago? Get over it.

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  169. TCparra says

    September 29, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    Oh, and Not renewing a contract is Firing someone. Since it’s reality TV, lets be real about what is’s called… FIRED. You can split hairs on that and call it anything you like, but it comes down to TLC saying, “thanks but no thanks, don’t call us, we’ll call you”

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  170. snickers says

    September 29, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    Jon was fired from how many jobs, lets no split hairs on this. No solar job now. Who cares what Kate’s future is, seems to be really bugging people that Kate is not saying much. She will decide what she wants to do, so get over it.

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  171. TCparra says

    September 29, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    How do you know he isnt working in solar anymore? Seems you are in the know about him, unless that is rumor you are spreading. What ever he is doing, at least he is working at something other than chasing a dream that has faded to black. She can decide all day long, but unless she gets an offer for a real job, it won’t matter much.

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  172. Pam@IW says

    September 29, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    TCparra,
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    Jon said in the video interview that he was back working in “IT” again.

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  173. TCparra says

    September 29, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    OK. Well, we don’t know if he was fired or he quit or what. Now I get why some “fans” where mocking his use of the word IT. We know he was fired from the job he had at the time J&K+8 took off and he was not asked back on K+8, but still paid. Who really knows what he was fired from or quit, except maybe Ellen?

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  174. GeeWhiz says

    September 30, 2011 at 5:46 am

    Who really knows what he was fired from or quit, except maybe Ellen? ~ tcparra
    .

    Not true. Jon could lie to her as he did to Kate when he said he was fired because the company did not want to insure the sextuplets. The state unemployment office ruled that Jon improperly did a side job on company time. Jon has a problem telling the truth.

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  175. snickers says

    September 30, 2011 at 6:44 am

    tc,

    I don’t follow Jon, but he is the one who said he was back in IT. I don’t know if he is working for a company, but working solo would mean no benefits again for him. I would think he would need higher education in this field to compete. Yes, according to reports he agreed for the children to continue filming and he was paid something from TLC. A little strange for a Father who took Kate to court to get his children off TV, but took a check from TLC.

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  176. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 7:30 am

    1) You are basing that on what document or article? That is the same spin that is told over and over, he lost his job (rumored) because he was trying to “sell” his family and get freebies. Where did you get a story that he lied to Kate, so he may lie to Ellen? Have you seen some official ruling from the unemployment dept? Yea, I didn’t think so.

    2) Just speculating (to make your comment seem logical) that he doesn’t have the education required. IT people can make decent money and maybe benefits are not an issue, maybe he has things planned and covered.

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  177. Marnie says

    September 30, 2011 at 7:54 am

    I find the purposely obtuse quite entertaining. Talk about living in a bubble. There is a whole world outside of personal judgement. There are a great many people making a living off their unlikeability, almost all reality stars are successful for negative things. Reality tv is also here to stay, get with the times. You don’t have to like Kate Gosselin, but the attention she gets from not being liked does keep her in the news. That is so far above haters heads. Where else in life would people give this much time and attention to people they don’t like, agree with, etc….. Their doctor? Their dentist? A friend? A co-worker? The fact that haters can only apply this type of behavior to Kate Gosselin is both amusing and spooky.

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  178. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 7:58 am

    The same thing can be said about the “fans” and the amount of rage and speculation they continue to provide.

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  179. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 8:10 am

    Maybe you think someone can make a career out of being disliked and that may be true for some situations. However I don’t think the public wants to see a mother (MOTHER) be a complete witch to everyone in her life and scare the hell out of her kids for entertainment, I guess the cancellation of her show is proof of that. The bad guy is only so popular, you need some balance (like when it was Jon & Kate+8) to keep people interested, again proof is in her latest firing.

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  180. snickers says

    September 30, 2011 at 8:26 am

    Wow, calling Kate a witch says more about you than her. Canceling a show that has been on the air for 6 years is nothing to sneeze at. All shows come to an end. Scare her kids?? Really!! LOL.

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  181. GeeWhiz says

    September 30, 2011 at 8:36 am

    The author of the article said the owner of the company had supporting documentation from the unemployment dept. If it was untrue Jon would have gotten his job back. Who else but Jon could have told Kate he was fired? Jon’s lying has been proven.
    .
    I never said one word about his education but since you mentioned it please show proof that his IT education is up to date. And while you’re at it, also show proof Jon has a job.
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    You are the queen of specualtion where Kate Gosselin is concerned.

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  182. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 8:36 am

    Well, kate thought it would last until the kids went to college, remember?

    Amazing that someone gets offended by a word, yet that same person can offend say stuff that is out in left field bizarre. I was speaking generally, at least I didn’t call her a B**ch.

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  183. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 8:42 am

    “The author of the article said the owner of the company had supporting documentation from the unemployment dept. If it was untrue Jon would have gotten his job back. Who else but Jon could have told Kate he was fired? Jon’s lying has been proven.” WHAT the hell does any of that mean? Supporting documents of what?

    Who said Jon lied to Kate? They were BOTH trying to get a show while he was working. Proven? By whom? You?

    Proof that his job is up to date? Seems you are concerned about something that is nobody’s business but his. Proof that he has a job? I never said he didn’t or pretended to know what he was doing. Plus, as Pam pointed out, he did say he was working in IT.

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  184. snickers says

    September 30, 2011 at 8:45 am

    GeeWhiz,

    I was the one who said maybe Jon needed updates in education to work in IT. Hope he has found the time to contiune his education. That would be a win for him. Oh, Jon doesn’t have to prove anything, only Kate. What were you thinking. 🙂 (Cough) Kate tweeted she took a on line course in keeping her nursing license updated. Good for her.

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  185. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Kate is NOT a nurse in the clinical sense. She is a glorified Medical assistant who took courses to get a certificate. There is no way she would work hard enough to get the degree that a real nurse has.

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  186. Marnie says

    September 30, 2011 at 8:53 am

    TCparra says:
    September 29, 2011 at 10:49 pm
    OK. Well, we don’t know if he was fired or he quit or what. Now I get why some “fans” where mocking his use of the word IT. We know he was fired from the job he had at the time J&K+8 took off and he was not asked back on K+8, but still paid. Who really knows what he was fired from or quit, except maybe Ellen?
    ——————
    I also love the excuses and never an apology. How many times have you called posters liars and then been shown the opposite? The “endless speculation” by the endless speculator.

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  187. Pam@IW says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Tcparra,
    .
    Now that is a load of crap. I am a nurse. BSN with a post graduate degree. I worked in ICU for 17 years before changing fields into a different focus in nursing.
    .
    Kate is a diploma nurse. She has her RN. She took the same boards that I did and she is licensed in her state. She works side by side with BSN and with Associate degree nurses and does the same work. Diploma nurses have a great clinical training and background when they graduate because they focus on exactly that.
    .
    I worked with many diploma nurses that take care of the same Open Heart or Truama cases as I did. They don’t have some of the options that RNs with a BSN have as far as working outside of a hospital. Saying that diploma nurses are glorified medical assistants is a load of crap. Did I say that already?
    .
    Where did you get your facts to base this statement?

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  188. pattypie says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Jon took some Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer classes. They were all the rage in the mid 2000’s He would have had to have been re-certified though to get that classification now. In the end they are extremely expensive and the $$$ don’t translate to a higher pay check. I hope he is making a lot of dough though. He has 8 kids to support.

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  189. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Excuse me, I have not called anyone a liar (well maybe one who has vanished). Where in my comment that you copied and pasted did I make excuses for something? Your comment is pointless.

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  190. snickers says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:07 am

    Pam,

    Thank you!! Will we see an apology here for not telling the truth! O

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  191. Kiki says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:08 am

    “Well, kate thought it would last until the kids went to college, remember?”
    –
    Where did she say that? As I recall, it was Werny who said that.
    –
    Were the kids fired too? The show was cancelled, which happens to lots of shows, and lots of people, nice or not.

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  192. GeeWhiz says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:16 am

    As stated in my comment #175 “The state unemployment office ruled that Jon improperly did a side job on company time.” That is why he could not get his job back. Understand now?
    .
    “Seems you are concerned about something that is nobody’s business but his.” That statement applies to everything you say about Kate.

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  193. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:19 am

    What college did Kate go to get her degree?

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  194. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:20 am

    How in the world do you know what the Unemployment office ruled? You are simply making up what you believe happened.

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  195. Pam@IW says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:24 am

    This is what a diploma program is http://allnurses.com/nursing-blogs/entry-into-practice-422071.html
    .
    Kate went to a nearby hospital that offered this degree.
    .
    Haters have looked up her license information. It is public information. You can not have an RN license without either completing a Diploma Program, an Associate Degree Program or a BSN program. All graduates take the same 2 day state boards. And they are not easy.

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  196. snickers says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:25 am

    tc,

    Where did Jon get his degree in IT??

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  197. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Pam, clearly you earned your degree. Sounds like you have the chops to call yourself a nurse. “Not telling the truth” If things were so Black & white. If it’s not true, it’s a lie? OK, go with that logic.

    I can admit that I don’t know every detail about Kates career and base some input on what I read. I was under the impression that she got her “degree” from taking courses.

    What am I supposed to apologize for? I didn’t say anything mean about Pam. OH, I see it was Kate that I may have insulted and you feel as her protector I should apologize? Don’t hold your breath.

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  198. GeeWhiz says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Geez, read the comments please. I am not making up anything.
    .
    Wow Pam tcparra obviously doesn’t even believe you, who was in the field and would know how the education works for nurses. Unbelievable!

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  199. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:31 am

    “Jon took some Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer classes. They were all the rage in the mid 2000′s He would have had to have been re-certified though to get that classification now. In the end they are extremely expensive and the $$$ don’t translate to a higher pay check. I hope he is making a lot of dough though. He has 8 kids to support.”

    —————–

    Did Jon say this or are you assuming? I guess he is making enough dough, he is working. Kate needs to be thinking about making “a lot of dough” or at least getting a job. How long will she sit around and wonder why she isn’t getting any work?

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  200. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Gee, you need to READ the comments. I didn’t say I don’t believe her! I said she has the chops to call herself a nurse because it sounds like she worked HARD to get her degree.

    You are simply making crap up about the unemployment dept. They don’t make confidential reports available for public consumption.

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  201. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:35 am

    I guess everyone speculates. I speculate based on articles, the “fans” speculate based on articles. Whateveh.

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  202. Joy says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:37 am

    TCP said,”Excuse me, I have not called anyone a liar (well maybe one who has vanished). Where in my comment that you copied and pasted did I make excuses for something? Your comment is pointless.
    ————————-
    Honestly tc you have called me and others liars numerous times & then you flip out when someone shows you the proof. Not vanished,just sick of your endless snarks. Frankly I find you boring and I have better things to do in life then to “play” with someone who only comes here to fight who wouldn’t know what a civil discussion was to save her life. I’ve jumped off the TC train for good. I am not interested in your nonstop insults filled with anger and venom like I’ve never seen before in any human being.

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  203. Pam@IW says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Kate worked hard to get her degree also. She has a diploma and an RN license. She worked in a dialysis unit at one point. Medical assistance do not work in dialysis units. Like I said, she passed the same State Boards the rest of us did.

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  204. CJWhodunit says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:39 am

    First, I want to congratulate the sock named “RokKandy” who managed to use EVERY single untrue hater meme attacking Kate Gosselin and her kids in a single paragraph, wow! Some doing, and maybe a Guiness record! LOL.

    Second, so much angst over when the current GFF becomes a ‘stepmother’. We all know “Tubby-G” has no intentions of marrying her and anyone else for that matter! Once her trust fund runs out, buh-bye, Erin, and on to the next current GFF!

    Third, the other hater socks posting here are growing mediocre and tedious to me, and I have no intention of sparring verbally with them, so they can cut and paste things back to the RAWten blog for their amusement and mockery, LOL.

    Lastly, pictures of ‘abuse’? LOLOL. Look right behind Kate in the pics–another mom is waiting in a running vehicle, obviously Kate is speaking over that to her kids, LOL. If there WAS ‘abuse’ happening, I hope that LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT ARRESTS THE PAP AND ALL THE PEOPLE STANDING AROUND WHO DID NOTHING TO STOP IT. 😉 Why didn’t that mom in the background jump out and yell at Kate for ‘abusing’ her kids? Could it be because

    So, socks? Find some REAL issues to complain about, like Kate’s website isn’t fully up and running *gasp!* and her kids and their mom and fans of the Gosselins (not “Tubby-G”) are being verbally abused by haters across the internet, instead of this silly one frame pulled out of a hundred ‘proving’ a mom is yelling at her kids. It is to laugh at! 😉

    Talk to y’all later, got more important things to do than debate with silly socks, like enter IW’s crock pot contest!! 🙂 https://imperfectwomen.com/steak-mushroom-pie%E2%80%A6cooked-in-a-crock-pot-plus-crock-pot-giveaway/

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  205. Unbelievable says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:42 am

    I know when I encounter an RN, the first thing I ask is whether they took the degree or diploma path to becoming licensed. I darn well don’t want myself or my family treated by RNs without credits in Sociology, English, Poli Sci and other courses critical to their ability to provide quality clinical care. I’m particularly concerned about whether they have studied European History, specifically the Protestant Reformation era. If not, I run screaming.

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  206. snickers says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:47 am

    tc,

    You were the one who said Kate is NOT a nurse. You were wrong, that’s all that was pointed out.

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  207. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:49 am

    CJ, you were the one spewing the stupid argument that the latest “story” is from Jon & Ellen (is her name erin?) because they need $$? With that kind of logic, your comments are lame and DRAMA blog material.

    Joy, I called YOU a liar. Thats all. No one else. I may have asked for some link or where to find “info” that a fan is using to argue a point, but that doesnt mean I am calling them a liar. You know why I called you a liar as well, so I could care less if you are bored.

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  208. Pam@IW says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Watch it Unbelievable, that European History class came in very useful to me when I was recovering that fresh Open Heart patient. 😉
    .
    I will say this, if there is anyone you know who is thinking about going to school to become an RN, I recommend getting your BSN if at all possible right from the get go. It offers you a lot of opportunities down the road. However, if that isn’t financially feasible, take one of the other degreees. There are plenty of programs out there to help you get your BSN down the road if you want it for other opportunities.

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  209. GeeWhiz says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:49 am

    I did not make anything up. The owner of the company Jon was fired from had the documents and showed the person doing the article.
    .
    This is what you said, “Kate is NOT a nurse in the clinical sense. She is a glorified Medical assistant who took courses to get a certificate. There is no way she would work hard enough to get the degree that a real nurse has.”
    .
    Pam has proven your comment is a lie, so when are you going to admit it and apologize?

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  210. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:52 am

    I speculated she wan’t a board certified, college degree’d nurse based on articles and blogs. I was incorrect. So be it. See, I can admit when wrong. Can you? Let me guess, you are never wrong.

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  211. Marnie says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:55 am

    TCparra says:
    September 30, 2011 at 8:52 am
    Kate is NOT a nurse in the clinical sense. She is a glorified Medical assistant who took courses to get a certificate. There is no way she would work hard enough to get the degree that a real nurse has.
    ———————
    WOW! Way to insult any college educated nurses! They all take the same tests to get certified.
    –
    Where is your proof that she is not a REAL nurse? Are you just assuming? You wouldn’t even know a college educated nurse from a university educated nurse if you saw one, and they wouldn’t even think to explain the difference before treating you or anyone else.
    –
    They don’t just give out nursing licenses either, anyone who is a nurse is one because they did the work, whether they work in the field now or not.
    ========================================
    TCparra says:
    September 30, 2011 at 9:04 am
    Excuse me, I have not called anyone a liar (well maybe one who has vanished). Where in my comment that you copied and pasted did I make excuses for something? Your comment is pointless.
    ————–
    you accuse people of making stuff up in almost all of your posts. It’s pointless to you because you just don’t get it.
    ================================================

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  212. Adele says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:55 am

    I see ALL the drama from this blog coming from one person.

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  213. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:56 am

    Gee, I made an inaccurate comment about her status as a nurse. I didn’t LIE. Get a friggen grip. A Lie is something you intentionally do with thought and intent to deceive. I didn’t make my comment hoping that I could convince someone to believe me.

    So the truth is based on some document that was “shown” to a writer? Sure, unless it is printed in the article it is all hearsay and unverified.

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  214. Marnie says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:56 am

    TCparra says:
    September 30, 2011 at 9:35 am
    I guess everyone speculates. I speculate based on articles, the “fans” speculate based on articles. Whateveh.
    ———————
    and some just speculate, period. But ask for proof from anyone else. It really is laughable.

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  215. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Unless there is an article or document supporting the “stories” made up by fans, they are all speculation OR made up to bolster an argument.

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  216. Marnie says

    September 30, 2011 at 9:58 am

    TCparra says:
    September 30, 2011 at 9:20 am
    How in the world do you know what the Unemployment office ruled? You are simply making up what you believe happened.
    ——————————
    instead of jumping to the conclusion that everyone is making stuff up (AKA LYING) why don’t you do your homework? The information is out there, all you have to do is look for it. Don’t be so lazy, it’s getting old.

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  217. pattypie says

    September 30, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Personally I am rarely wrong. 🙂

    Especially when I pop into this thread and remind every one to enter the fabulously fun crock pot giveaway!

    https://imperfectwomen.com/steak-mushroom-pie%E2%80%A6cooked-in-a-crock-pot-plus-crock-pot-giveaway/

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  218. pattypie says

    September 30, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Unless there is an article or document supporting the “stories” made up by haters, they are all speculation OR made up to bolster an argument.

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  219. Marnie says

    September 30, 2011 at 10:02 am

    and I also suspect you’ve see all the information out there anyway and choose to ignore some, believe some, disbelieve some, just based on whether or not the name is Kate Gosselin or Jon Gosselin.
    -you’ve been shown court documents of Jon’s misdeeds and excused it as leagl mumbo jumbo
    -you’ve been show Jon’s video of him saying he is in IT but called people liars for saying it
    -you’ve been shown that his ex employer refuted Jon’s claim as to why he was fired, you excuse it calling it “making stuff up”
    -you’ve been shown the difference between a real nurse and the kind of nurse you assume Kate Gosselin is, you excuse it because you don’t like Kate Gosselin.
    -you’ve been shown many examples of Ellen’s relationship with haters, you’ve called every single person a liar with regards to that

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  220. Marnie says

    September 30, 2011 at 10:03 am

    TCparra says:
    September 30, 2011 at 9:58 am
    Unless there is an article or document supporting the “stories” made up by fans, they are all speculation OR made up to bolster an argument.
    ———————–
    yet you can’t see how the flip side would also apply. You’re entertaining.

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  221. Marnie says

    September 30, 2011 at 10:06 am

    TCparra says:
    September 30, 2011 at 9:52 am
    I speculated she wan’t a board certified, college degree’d nurse based on articles and blogs. I was incorrect. So be it. See, I can admit when wrong. Can you? Let me guess, you are never wrong.
    ————————–
    bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbhahahhahahhahhahahahhahahhahahahahahhaha. You didn’t admit you were wrong, you just admitted you didn’t do your homework and were willing to believe what the hate sites spoon feed people like you and repeat it as truth. BIG difference. I find it facinating that you’d rather look stupid and ignorant than do any homework on a subject you seem so passionate about?

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  222. GeeWhiz says

    September 30, 2011 at 10:07 am

    I do research before I comment. Please provide the articles that stated Kate was not a real nurse. Not interested in the lies from your hate blogs.

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  223. Marnie says

    September 30, 2011 at 10:11 am

    I would also like to see the articles that state how much Kate is spending on hair and nails and wardrobe. While they’re looking, I’d also like to see the proof of mental abuse, an affair with Steve and/or Jamie. Or that she’s using college funds to buy sportscars.

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  224. Marnie says

    September 30, 2011 at 10:23 am

    TCparra says:
    September 28, 2011 at 9:53 am
    I only care about the lies being spread here. Some of my comments are edited before being published, but the when some commentors make stuff up and are caught, they simply change to another “story” and run with it.
    –
    TCparra says:
    September 30, 2011 at 8:52 am
    Kate is NOT a nurse in the clinical sense. She is a glorified Medical assistant who took courses to get a certificate. There is no way she would work hard enough to get the degree that a real nurse has.
    –
    TCparra says:
    September 30, 2011 at 9:56 am
    Gee, I made an inaccurate comment about her status as a nurse. I didn’t LIE. Get a friggen grip. A Lie is something you intentionally do with thought and intent to deceive. I didn’t make my comment hoping that I could convince someone to believe me.

    So the truth is based on some document that was “shown” to a writer? Sure, unless it is printed in the article it is all hearsay and unverified.
    =====================================
    When a hater lies, it’s called “speculating”. Haters only care about the lies they assume the fans are spreading, but their own “speculations” are just sort of somewhat inaccurate, but not lying.
    –
    Got it.
    =========================
    That sort of sounds like “I don’t hate Kate, when I said I’d send her anthrax I was just joking”.

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  225. Marnie says

    September 30, 2011 at 10:25 am

    You intentionally said Kate isn’t a REAL nurse, you intentionally said it without doing an ounce of homework. You intended to lie. And it was a lie. You also intended to deceive, but you only deceive yourself from the looks of it.

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  226. GeeWhiz says

    September 30, 2011 at 10:25 am

    Marnie – Your comment #220 is so true.

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  227. Marnie says

    September 30, 2011 at 10:26 am

    Pam did you edit TC comments to make it look like she was lying? or speculating? 😉

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  228. CJWhodunit says

    September 30, 2011 at 10:31 am

    [ standing ovation for Marnie ] 🙂

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  229. snickers says

    September 30, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Marnie,

    TC said she is NOT a real nurse, when a click of a button would have told her the truth. She did lie, but has an excuse. Kate being a nurse has been told from the get – go of this family. Something smells bad here, and when caught, deflects badly. Very lame attempt to take ownership of their comment.

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  230. GeeWhiz says

    September 30, 2011 at 10:51 am

    tcparra below is for your future reference:
    Definition of lie:
    noun
    1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
    2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
    3. an inaccurate or false statement.
    4. the charge or accusation of lying: He flung the lie back at his accusers.
    verb (used without object)
    5. to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.
    6. to express what is false; convey a false impression.

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  231. Marnie says

    September 30, 2011 at 11:31 am

    Kate needs to be thinking about making “a lot of dough” or at least getting a job. How long will she sit around and wonder why she isn’t getting any work?
    ————-
    Hhhhmmm can I see the supporting evidence that says Kate is not thinking about making $, or getting a job. I’d like to know what makes anyone think she is sitting around just wondering why she isn’t employed

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  232. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Marnie,

    Stupid? Really? OK, I was wording my comments to stay away from the attacks but I guess some are OK.

    -you’ve been shown court documents of Jon’s misdeeds and excused it as leagl mumbo jumbo *** I saw documents that laid out how & why Jon was being sued by TLC. You can read all the “misdeeds” and smile till it hurts, your choice.

    -you’ve been show Jon’s video of him saying he is in IT but called people liars for saying it *** WHO DID I say lied about this? I only saw the one infamous video he did on the couch. I don’t think there was any mention of being in IT (on the video I saw) I said people were mocking him (on blogs) for saying he was IT. I would say you are lying in this case.

    -you’ve been shown that his ex employer refuted Jon’s claim as to why he was fired, you excuse it calling it “making stuff up” *** I haven’t been shown anything. A story was referenced and the writer “allegedly” looked at a confidential employment record.

    -you’ve been shown the difference between a real nurse and the kind of nurse you assume Kate Gosselin is, you excuse it because you don’t like Kate Gosselin. *** Excuse it because I don’t like Kate? Another lie from you. I was misinformed on her status as a nurse. I guess I should not trust information as accurate until I have researched it completely (if that important).

    -you’ve been shown many examples of Ellen’s relationship with haters, you’ve called every single person a liar with regards to that *** Many examples? I was told about a hat she wore and a rap song she liked. Big deal. She is still closer to the kids than you, get over it.

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  233. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Gee – I could say the same about your article where the writer “saw the document”. Without real proof, you can’t really submit that as fact.

    OK fanatics, here it is, I really shouldn’t have said she wasn’t a nurse without some supporting information. Happy now? Get over it. I didn’t lie, I made a mistake in my zeal to “Hate” on Kate. I don’t owe anyone here an apology for my misinformation, since it was not about any of you and was merely an opinion.

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  234. MarieS says

    September 30, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    I saw an interesting piece that illustrates the place of a step parent in the lives of the step children.

    TMZ is parked outside the courtroom for the big Kelsey/Camille custody dispute. Before the case started the judge removed everyone from the court room except the parents and their attorneys. So Kelsey’s wife is in the hall. That is where step parents sit when it comes to decisions about the children.

    That is custody in the real world. It amazes me how naive people can be going into these divorces. Some of the ‘Teen Mom’ expectations are hysterical.

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  235. snickers says

    September 30, 2011 at 12:23 pm

    tc,

    How do you know she is close to the kids. If you take the time out of the weekend for travel and sleeping over, doesn’t seem like much time with kids. I wouldn’t say I have proof of this, but common sense would tell anyone that.

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  236. CJWhodunit says

    September 30, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    tcp: ” Seems you are concerned about something that is nobody’s business but his. ”
    Oh, the delicious, irony, bwahahaha! 🙂

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  237. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    “That sort of sounds like “I don’t hate Kate, when I said I’d send her anthrax I was just joking”.”

    Marnie
    September 30, 2011 at 10:25 am
    You intentionally said Kate isn’t a REAL nurse, you intentionally said it without doing an ounce of homework. You intended to lie. And it was a lie. You also intended to deceive, but you only deceive yourself from the looks of it.”
    —————————————-

    Marnie, you have no idea what you are talking about. I didn’t try to deceive saying she wasn’t a real nurse. I was under the false impression that she wasn’t due to bad information. OK? Get a grip.

    Wow! Now I see why Jon is grilled when he says something that you deem as a lie, you have no room for mistakes or misinformed comments. Give it a rest.

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  238. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    #236, in that comment you can clearly see your jealousy that Ellen is with the kids. The kids are with Jon, so they are with Ellen simply by circumstance.

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  239. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    Marnie
    September 30, 2011 at 9:58 am
    TCparra says:
    September 30, 2011 at 9:20 am
    How in the world do you know what the Unemployment office ruled? You are simply making up what you believe happened.
    ——————————
    instead of jumping to the conclusion that everyone is making stuff up (AKA LYING) why don’t you do your homework? The information is out there, all you have to do is look for it. Don’t be so lazy, it’s getting old.

    —————————-

    Don’t be dumb, the information for CONFIDENTIAL information is NOT OUT there. Just because someone said they “saw it” doesn’t mean anything. I don’t think the employer would risk his neck to “show” a reporter some confidential information. Your comments are getting old and tired.

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  240. addie says

    September 30, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    I have something to say to those that say Jon got fired from his solar panel job and is now working in IT. My son-in-law works for a company that does energy surveys. He is VP of software development. He told me that his company does computer analyses on how to make houses more energy efficient. Part of his job was to be hands on during installation of such energy saving devices such as solar panels. Once the panels are installed, a computer program is set up to monitor their efficiency and provide feedback to the company that installed them.

    Just because the article on Jon says that he is working in IT support, doesn’t mean he is not working for the same company.

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  241. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    #228, and btw I know Pam did edit one of my comments today because I was a little catty in part of it. So, I’m not talking out the side of mouth when I say it happens.

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  242. Pam@IW says

    September 30, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    addie,

    There is no article. In a video that Jon made he said he was working in IT. Nothing else was said.
    .
    I agree, though. Just because he is working in IT now does not mean he was fired.

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  243. GeeWhiz says

    September 30, 2011 at 1:20 pm

    You were also given Ellen’s tweet and email soliciting the haters to help get the kids off tv.
    .
    One good thing came from the drama you brought today, you admitted your hate sites provide misinformation. Thank you.

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  244. GeeWhiz says

    September 30, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    Pam – Is there a problem with your site sending comments to emails? I just received comments from 3 hours ago.

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  245. Pam@IW says

    September 30, 2011 at 1:27 pm

    Not that I am aware of. There could be issues with the dedicated server but I have not received notification, if there is.

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  246. addie says

    September 30, 2011 at 1:36 pm

    Pam==On the video Jon never said he was working in IT. It was mentioned in the article accompanying the video. I can post the link if you want.

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  247. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    You mentioned the tweet and the email. OK, so? Again what the hell does that have to do with the price of Tea in China (that’s sarcasm snickers)

    What ever Ellen did, it must not have been too bad. Jon & Ellen are still together, the kids still come over and Kate still is without a show. Nothing has changed.

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  248. Pam@IW says

    September 30, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    addie,
    .
    No, that is not necessary. Not that big of a deal. If it is in the article and not the video, so be it. Still doesn’t mean he was fired one way or the other.

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  249. Pam@IW says

    September 30, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    addie,

    I could have sworn he talked about his work so I went and had a listen and he did discuss it in the second video where he talks about weight loss. He said he “has been in IT for 12 years and it is good to be back in the business.”

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  250. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44710272/ns/today-entertainment/#.ToPGF-zq3Mx

    Not written by a hater. Just the facts or at least their opinion.

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  251. CJWhodunit says

    September 30, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    Pam, you are absolutely correct, and addie is wrong. Jon DID say that exact quote, here at :38 into this segment of the infamous ‘couch interview’: “Rumorfix:Jon Gosselin Exclusive: How He Lost 30 Pounds”

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  252. HB says

    September 30, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    Did anyone hear ‘private Jon Gosselin’ do a live interview w. Toronto radio Kiss this a.m.?

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  253. addie says

    September 30, 2011 at 2:43 pm

    Pam & Cj–Ok, I’ll concede-Jon did say it was good to be back in the business. But based on my SIL’s experience-his job installing solar panels was part of his IT job.

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  254. HB says

    September 30, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    Sorry addie, I wouldn’t question your SIL…BUT there is NO crossover between installing & an IT job? I think you’ll find what is done by those designing specific panels for ea. job takes engineering experience, & a whole lot more than Jon’s pay grade.

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  255. addie says

    September 30, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    HB=let me ask you, are you an expert in the installation and maintenance of solar panels? Yes, engineering experience is required, but it is the IT specialist’s job to configure the placement of those panels to get the most benefit from them.

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  256. Ann@IW says

    September 30, 2011 at 3:24 pm

    but it is the IT specialist’s job to configure the placement of those panels to get the most benefit from them.

    That’s funny! Do you know what “IT” stands for?
    IT specialists do not configure the placement of solar panels to get the most benefit from them. Your “SIL” needs to talk to her husband about this, lol.

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  257. Ann@IW says

    September 30, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    Just the facts or at least their opinion.
    That’s funny too. “Facts or opinion” it’s all the same thing to some people, lol.

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  258. Ann@IW says

    September 30, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    I read up above- “SIL” is not sister-in-law but son-in-law. Sorry. He’s not an IT specialist. Just because you use a computer at work does not make you an IT specialist. Really Addie, you need to Google it.

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  259. MarieS says

    September 30, 2011 at 3:33 pm

    addie –
    I think that if Jon doesn’t work for the solar company anymore it isn’t necessarily because he was fired. That is a very seasonal business and the payroll fluctuates.

    Computers at that firm is absolutely possible. Most fabricators have specialized software for design, estimates etc. I don’t know if there is one for solar panels but I wouldn’t be surprised. Usually these are either specifically designed for installers to configure or they are very high end CAD/CAM systems that require some serious certification. In the case of the CAD/CAM systems there are IT specialists that manage the network and the image archive etc.

    Jon did say telephone support so I assumed he was doing more of a help line type job. Not a bad choice. A lot of people start on the help line and work their way up.

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  260. CJWhodunit says

    September 30, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    addie?? Since when is a tool belt part of an IT job?? I know sometimes I *feel* like taking a hammer to my computer, but really! 🙂

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  261. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 3:46 pm

    celebitchy.com/183077/kate_gosselin_is_surprised_that_no_networks_want_to_hire_her/

    Don’t read the comments, unless you are prepared to type you little fingers to the bone in support of Kate.

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  262. HB says

    September 30, 2011 at 3:51 pm

    Nope addie, I AM not an expert…let’s just say I’m married to someone who KNOWS. For Jon’s sake…I hope he’s doing something that might be more interesting for him. Personally, I love to think Jon gets dressed as a professional & has a 9-5 job he’s eager to face each day! Call it ESP…but I have a sense Jon has linked up w. Ellen’s brother & radio. I do wish him great happiness & success! Nothing like earning a living doing something you enjoy!

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  263. addie says

    September 30, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    Ann=yes, I know what IT stands for. Are you an IT specialist? I don’t have to Google it. Do you work for a firm that specializes in energy savings? Do you even know how they work? Energy specialties firms are highly dependent on IT support.

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  264. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    wow, the lengths some will go to prove that jon doesn’t work in Solar or IT anymore. Why does any of that matter? He has a job and he is paying his bills (we can only assume). Does it make him seem less intelligent by analyzing every aspect of his job and breaking it down?

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  265. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    Ann@IW
    September 30, 2011 at 3:25 pm
    Just the facts or at least their opinion.
    That’s funny too. “Facts or opinion” it’s all the same thing to some people, lol.

    —————-

    Ann@IW
    September 30, 2011 at 3:30 pm
    I read up above- “SIL” is not sister-in-law but son-in-law. Sorry. He’s not an IT specialist. Just because you use a computer at work does not make you an IT specialist. Really Addie, you need to Google it.

    ———–

    Thats funny, are you giving your opinion or facts?

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  266. Pam@IW says

    September 30, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    Did someone try to prove that Jon doesn’t work in IT anymore? I must have missed it.
    .

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  267. Ann@IW says

    September 30, 2011 at 3:58 pm

    Here’s my take on Jon being fired from the cabinetry job when the sextuplets were born:

    PA is an employment-at-will state. Employers don’t need to have a good reason to fire you. However, they can’t just fire you for ANY reason- some reasons are prohibited. You can’t be fired for being in an interracial marriage or adopting a child, for example. One of those protected reasons would be giving birth.
    .
    In a small company, adding 6 little premature dependents to the pool of insured would raise the company premiums. Everyone knew that. Jon’s employer knew that. He could not just fire Jon for that reason.
    .
    When Jon was “let go” Jon did not qualify for unemployment compensation. Jon and Kate had a right to appeal that decision. They did. They accused the employer of firing Jon to avoid the hike in premiums. The employer countered that Jon had been “stealing time” by doing side jobs during work hours. The Unemployment Board found that while there was evidence that the employer was concerned about the insurance premium hike, he was able to show that Jon was guilty of “stealing time” from the company by performing work-for-pay for someone else. What evidence might there have been about the concern over the insurance? Perhaps emails, direst testimony of his own, or comments he might have made. It doesn’t matter. In an employment-at-will state, unless you have contractual protection, it is pretty easy to prove someone is “stealing time” from a company.
    .
    I can see why the parents would feel it was all inspired by the sextuplets’ birth, especially if he’d been “stealing time” like that for awhile without being reprimanded. Unfortunately for Jon, employers hold the most power in those circumstances.

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  268. Pam@IW says

    September 30, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    What someone was proving was that Jon said he does work in IT. Catch up, TCparra.

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  269. Ann@IW says

    September 30, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    No, I am not an IT specialist. Nor do I work for a firm that specializes in energy savings. Yes, I know that energy-related firms are among the thousands of different types of firms that rely on IT support. I also know that thousands of different types of firms also rely on maintenance services, administrative assistance, and legal help. Everyone has a job to do. What that job is dictates the type of work you do.
    .
    I don’t have to be the lawyer to know it’s not her job to clean the bathroom stalls. You got the IT guy’s job wrong, Addie.
    .
    TC Parra- I hope you don’t think I’m trying to prove Jon doesn’t work in whatever. I’ve been very disappointed in him (not that he cares, lol)HOWEVER if he really is employed steadily, he’s doing something right in this economy. It’s as hard to get a job around here as it is in most of the nation.

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  270. addie says

    September 30, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    CJ-I guess I have to explain to you again. Have you ever worked an IT job? Part of my SIL’s job is being onsite to inspect the progess of the installation. He is basically part of the crew-therefore, he wears the equipment(hard hat, tool belt, etc) that they wear. His job is to examine the site, make his recommendations, and develop software to monitor the installation.

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  271. CJWhodunit says

    September 30, 2011 at 4:16 pm

    I think addie’s confused about the definition between IT worker and construction worker. cdn.photos.tmz.com/gallery_images/images/2011/02/jon_gosselin_work_roofing_photo_gallery_02_0010_DSCN3179.JPG_full.jpg

    tc: Let’s rephrase, shall we? 😉 Don’t want to CARP on the subject but do you realize what you wrote works both ways? Try it with Kate in there instead of St. Jon: “She is paying her bills (we can only assume). Does it make her seem less intelligent by analyzing every aspect of her life and breaking it down?” 🙂

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  272. snickers says

    September 30, 2011 at 4:43 pm

    addie,

    We installed solar panels in a building and had no need for any IT guy. Maybe the laws are different in other states, but the construction crew put them in.

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  273. Unbelievable says

    September 30, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    addie said…

    Ann=yes, I know what IT stands for. Are you an IT specialist? I don’t have to Google it. Do you work for a firm that specializes in energy savings? Do you even know how they work? Energy specialties firms are highly dependent on IT support.

    You keep asking if others have worked in IT and yet your “credential” is your SIL. Is it safe to assume that a) you are not an IT specialist and b) you do not work for a firm that specializes in energy savings? If so, why are you insinuating that others need credentials in order to comment that you yourself don’t hold?

    Your SIL’s job does not make you an expert. My father manufactured airplane parts for a living and I can assure you that you don’t want to fly in a plane with parts designed or manufactured by me.

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  274. addie says

    September 30, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    CJ-not confused at all. What is your definition of construction worker vs IT worker? Are people who install solar panels to an existing house considered construction workers?

    It’s the IT workers who develop the plan that installers of energy efficient products turn to. Please give me your definition of “construction workers” and “IT workers.”

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  275. Pam@IW says

    September 30, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    Personally, I know nothing about IT specialists. I am sure that term can encompass many duties.
    .
    What I do know about is nursing. I have been a nurse for 34 years.

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  276. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    Well, pam I wouldnt put Kate and you on the same page when it comes to nursing. There is no way in hell she has good bedside manners or make a patient feel special. UNLESS, everything she did on the show was for SHOW. But wait, she said that was the realist of real, so I guess that was her.

    Basically her experience amounts to online study and you worked for your status. Kate has been out of the nursing game far too long and she (plus a lot of her “fans”) have made many excuses about why nursing just won’t cut it anymore for her to support HER lifestyle.

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  277. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    I know, I know, she took the required courses to complete her degree. However I don’t think any hospital administrator is going to hire her, unless she has an attitude adjustment and loses her sense of entitlement. She will be the low “man” on the totem pole and that doesn’t sound like it would be very appealing to her (after being treated like a star).

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  278. addie says

    September 30, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Unbelieveable==I DO work for the same firm as my SIL-he is in software development. I am in the compliance department. Our department monitors their recommendations and examines the feasability of putting them into effect.

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  279. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 5:40 pm

    You know CJ, I knew you were going to use the double meaning BS again. Thats really all you can ever do is deflect.

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  280. HB says

    September 30, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    addie…took you a long time to get to #279. IF ONLY Jon Gosselin were in software development for a solar company. Much less a foreman for proper installation etc. & interpretation of finite calculations…POOR guy didn’t have much luck w. balancing his own checkbook. Maybe he had a quickie course when the solar panels were installed on his old country estate…or in more recent terms – ‘farm’.

    Whatever the case…I hope he’s happy & thriving in whatever he’s doing.

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  281. Marnie says

    September 30, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    Don’t be dumb, the information for CONFIDENTIAL information is NOT OUT there. Just because someone said they “saw it” doesn’t mean anything. I don’t think the employer would risk his neck to “show” a reporter some confidential information. Your comments are getting old and tired.
    ——-
    So it boils down to everything you don’t see or believe is a lie. Got it.

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  282. Pam@IW says

    September 30, 2011 at 6:08 pm

    Addie,

    “He told me that his company does computer analyses on how to make houses more energy efficient”
    .
    This sentence doesn’t make sense in light of your new information that you actually work for the same company. Would have never guessed that based on all of your previous comments. Why such a late disclosure of such relevant information to the subject that you brought here to discuss?

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  283. snickers says

    September 30, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    I would rather have Kate as my nurse than a hater in life. How depressing would that be. 🙂

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  284. Marnie says

    September 30, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    TCparra:
    September 30th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
    Well, pam I wouldnt put Kate and you on the same page when it comes to nursing. There is no way in hell she has good bedside manners or make a patient feel special. UNLESS, everything she did on the show was for SHOW. But wait, she said that was the realist of real, so I guess that was her.
    Basically her experience amounts to online study and you worked for your status. Kate has been out of the nursing game far too long and she (plus a lot of her “fans”) have made many excuses about why nursing just won’t cut it anymore for her to support HER lifestyle.
    ——–
    Did you get all this ‘speculation’ from the same source that told you Kate wasn’t a real nurse?

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  285. Marnie says

    September 30, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Celebitchy.com? Bbbbhahahahahahahhahahahahaha ha ha ha
    –
    Good grief!

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  286. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    Marnie
    September 30, 2011 at 6:04 pm
    Don’t be dumb, the information for CONFIDENTIAL information is NOT OUT there. Just because someone said they “saw it” doesn’t mean anything. I don’t think the employer would risk his neck to “show” a reporter some confidential information. Your comments are getting old and tired.
    ——-
    So it boils down to everything you don’t see or believe is a lie. Got it.

    —————-

    Wrong again. I said there is no way an employer is going to show confidential documents to a reporter and risk BIG trouble. I don’t believe that the employer would do that. So yes, I would say the story is fabricated in someones mind.

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  287. TCparra says

    September 30, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    # 284 – what does that mean exactly?

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  288. GeeWhiz says

    October 1, 2011 at 5:33 am

    Wrong again. I said there is no way an employer is going to show confidential documents to a reporter and risk BIG trouble. I don’t believe that the employer would do that. So yes, I would say the story is fabricated in someones mind. ~ tcparra
    .
    The owner of the company gave an interview AFTER Jon/Kate publically stated he was fired because the company did not want to insure the sextuplets. Since they spoke out it was no longer confidential. The owner had the right to defend himself and showed documentation that proved Jon was fired because he used company time to do work for someone else. The state unemployment office agreed and Jon did not get his job back.
    .
    The lie you repeated about Kate’s nursing degree proves it is the hate sites that fabricate things in their mind.

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  289. Marnie says

    October 1, 2011 at 6:52 am

    #284 is quite clear, sorry you can’t see that TC. You would have also known that the company gave an interview afterwards had you just did your homework and not first jumped to the conclusion that, again, everything you don’t believe, is a lie.

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  290. CJWhodunit says

    October 1, 2011 at 8:07 am

    I think “addie” may be “stretching the truth” on here–in one posts she/he says that his/her son-in-law works in a solar panel company and gives details which may or may not have been googled. She/he refers to this workplace as “HIS company”. Then a few posts late she/he divulges that he/she works at this same company? Why didn’t he/she say “OUR company (cause I work there too)” instead of “HIS company”?! Something smells IMO!

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  291. Deborah says

    October 1, 2011 at 8:16 am

    CJ, #283, Pam called her on her story.
    Its like ‘Worlds Dumbest’ So lame. They try to sell a lie and trip.

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  292. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 8:25 am

    I still say BS Geewhiz. Unless there is proof, I don’t believe it. You are saying that the employer would risk breaking laws, LAWS, to show a reporter something like that? BS. I do know something about Human Resources and employment. There IS NOT WAY that is true. The employer only can deny the story, he can’t prove it by showing confidential documents! Get a friggen clue.

    ANYONE else see the story or proof that the employer broke federal & state laws to defend himself to a reporter?

    Again with calling it a lie? I said I made a mistake and said I was sorry for mispseaking. Get over it. I did not lie.
    ———————-

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  293. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 8:27 am

    #290, so now you are clarifying someones ridiculous comment? Stick to defending your position on everything.

    Not even going to amuse you with a reply.

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  294. Marnie says

    October 1, 2011 at 8:29 am

    bbbbbbbbbbbhahahahahhahahhahah
    the entertainment is endless

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  295. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 8:41 am

    “None of this comes as a surprise to David Rothermel. Owner of a custom cabinetry business in Lancaster County, he was Jon’s boss (and a friend of Jon’s parents) during Kate’s second pregnancy. He’s the guy singled out during Jon and Kate’s speaking engagements as the man who “did not want to insure [Jon] … they let him go.” However, Rothermel says — and supporting documents prove — that Jon Gosselin was fired for other reasons. The state unemployment office ruled that Jon improperly did a side job on company time; furthermore, Rothermel claims that before the babies were even born, Jon was on the phone and the Internet soliciting freebies, boasting openly that he was never going to have to work again. Indeed, the Gosselin family website, Sixgosselins.com, was registered before the babies were born, and later featured a “Prayer List” of wants — a 15-­passenger van, “a house that we fit into and can afford … it’s going to literally take a miracle” — along with a “Praise List” with the names of folks and companies and the supplies they’d donated. When the babies were six months old, family members, friends and neighbors got a letter containing the Gosselins’ account number with the electric company, in case anyone felt moved to pay the couple’s bill. (A TLC spokeswoman says the letter came from friends looking to help the Gosselins.)”

    ———————-

    OK, I stand corrected. See I don’t know that much about the Gosselins as some people do. I was wrong.

    I dont even remember why we were debating this point. He got fired in attempts to secure freebies for both of them (Jon & Kate).

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  296. addie says

    October 1, 2011 at 8:46 am

    Pam & Deborah-I did not state that I worked for the same company, because I wanted you to see what my SIL’s job entailed from his viewpoint. If I had said originally that I worked for the same company, would you give any credence to what he said? I was just trying to point out that companies that are based in finding ways to be energy efficient rely heavily on IT input.

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  297. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 8:48 am

    I will say, I am not lying when I debate and throw out a point. I realize that I should not be so quick to assume the same back of people. I apologize.

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  298. addie says

    October 1, 2011 at 8:52 am

    CJ-I never said my SIL works for a solar panel company. He works for a company(as do I) that does energy analyses on homes.

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  299. Pam@IW says

    October 1, 2011 at 8:52 am

    addie,
    .
    Personally, I would have given it more credence. Just like I would hope people would do when I am talking up thread about the different programs for nursing and how they practice in the hospital setting. I don’t tend to doubt a person until they say or do something that points me in that direction.
    .
    I know nothing about green companies but I can see where they would or could use the assistance of an IT person.

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  300. Marnie says

    October 1, 2011 at 8:54 am

    OK, I stand corrected. See I don’t know that much about the Gosselins as some people do. I was wrong.

    I dont even remember why we were debating this point. He got fired in attempts to secure freebies for both of them (Jon & Kate).
    ———————
    you don’t know much, admittedly, but feel confident enough to call people liars regarding things you admit you don’t know much about?
    –
    That’s entertaining
    –
    it’s debated, right now, because you said it didn’t happen and someone fabricated the whole thing.

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  301. Lindsey says

    October 1, 2011 at 8:54 am

    So now we have been schooled by the best and most certainly know that the real & true definition of a stepmother is Ellen/Erin! NOT. Will this person ever learn that sending out negative energy is getting negative energy returned to sender.

    What about this song & dance routine of Kate hate and Jon love. Kate can’t think, say, or do anything right and Jon can’t think say or do anything wrong. I call Bull.

    tcparra Just because you so totally love, respect, and worship Jon does not mean that you have to totally hate Kate and be so descrepant about all things Kate. They both have good & bad attributes. You, however, are so intent on good Jon & bad Kate that you come across as an angry vilipend who cares little for any opinion other than your own. Tempering your sarcasm with some respect could possibly start you on a course of gaining some positive forces in your negative zone.

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  302. Pam@IW says

    October 1, 2011 at 8:54 am

    “I dont even remember why we were debating this point. He got fired in attempts to secure freebies for both of them (Jon & Kate).”
    .
    TCparra, Jon is responsible for his own actions. Just like Kate is. Your statement is sounding like you are blaming Kate for that. I hope, I am just reading that wrong.

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  303. Marnie says

    October 1, 2011 at 8:58 am

    TC-your quoted article also sheds some light on who got the ball rolling on freebies and such. Kate takes alot of heat for things Jon had his hand in. What makes anyone think Jon is so changed now?

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  304. Marnie says

    October 1, 2011 at 9:00 am

    I also think the freebies had more to do with helping 8 children than lining Jon or Kate’s pockets. That little spin is ridiculous.

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  305. Pam@IW says

    October 1, 2011 at 9:02 am

    Tcparra,

    Thanks for the apology.

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  306. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 9:07 am

    Pam, see thats where I differ from “haters”. I am not saying it was Kates fault at all. I’m saying they both are responsible for it. They both were on a quest to get what ever they could and got caught doing it on someone elses dime. I know Jon did it, but I’m sure Kate and Jon were both on the same page to do what ever they could because at the time they were a team.

    Lindsey – take your Ying and Yang and smoke it. I don’t have Jon love. I just debate the stupid crap that is made up (or in some cases not made up). I NEVER said I hate Kate. That would be some negative energy you are spreading, right?

    Marnie – Not getting into a pissing contest with you. I said I was wrong. I said stuff was made up. I was wrong. Just like the “haters” think they know it all, so do the “fans” and neither group is 100% accurate.

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  307. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Marnie
    October 1, 2011 at 8:58 am
    TC-your quoted article also sheds some light on who got the ball rolling on freebies and such. Kate takes alot of heat for things Jon had his hand in. What makes anyone think Jon is so changed now?

    —————-

    Are you serious? Are you really trying to say Kate was an inncoent bystander in the attempts to secure freebies? NOW That is funny.

    ———————–
    ———————–
    Marnie
    October 1, 2011 at 9:00 am
    I also think the freebies had more to do with helping 8 children than lining Jon or Kate’s pockets. That little spin is ridiculous.

    —————

    Who said that? What do you mean? THAT actually sounds OK. Wouldnt you want the freebies to help the kids? Am I reading your little blurb correctly?

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  308. Marnie says

    October 1, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Are you serious? Are you really trying to say Kate was an inncoent bystander in the attempts to secure freebies? NOW That is funny.———PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE I SAID THAT. READ AND TRY AGAIN
    ——————————————————————-
    Who said that? What do you mean? THAT actually sounds OK. Wouldnt you want the freebies to help the kids? Am I reading your little blurb correctly?————– THE FREEBIES WERE ABOUT THE KIDS, BUT HATERS LOVE TO CLAIM THAT KATE GRIFTS FOR EVERYTHING.
    ———————————————————————
    IN THIS THREAD ALONE YOU’VE BEEN SHOWN 2 TIMES WHERE THE INFORMATION YOU ARE DIGESTING AND REPEATING IS WRONG. WONDER IF IT WILL MAKE YOU THINK TWICE ABOUT THE STUFF YOU READ AND REPEAT, OR CALLING PEOPLE LIARS ON THINGS THEY BRING TO THIS BLOG.

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  309. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Marnie,

    “TC-your quoted article also sheds some light on who got the ball rolling on freebies and such. Kate takes alot of heat for things Jon had his hand in. What makes anyone think Jon is so changed now?”

    ——————-

    What are you supposed to get from this comment?

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  310. Deborah says

    October 1, 2011 at 9:33 am

    Very telling what Jon says about never having to work again because of the tups yet Kate gets blamed for it.

    Rothermel claims that before the babies were even born, Jon was on the phone and the Internet soliciting freebies, boasting openly that he was never going to have to work again.

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  311. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 9:36 am

    The haters say Kate grifts for new stuff NOW (or wjen she was media relevant anyway). Some fans have even said grifting was a made up word by the haters.

    What ever, if you can get free stuff thrown your way because you have something people want (exposure on tv), then why not I guess.

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  312. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Deb, so? Jon and Kate were heavy in the “working” for freebies at the time. At least Jon was trying to use the name for something. If he didn’t who would? An Agent? TLC? I think early on, no one was looking out for Jon & Kate, except Jon & Kate.

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  313. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Without the benefit of being behind closed doors, it would be a guess, but I bet Kate and Jon BOTH were thinking they would never have to work (a normal job) again. Why would they? They were getting showered with money and stuff and attention.

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  314. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 9:44 am

    MARNIE, YELLING DOESN’T MAKE YOUR POINT ANYMORE VALID.

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  315. Deborah says

    October 1, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Working on getting freebies for the family is one thing, opening boasting he’s never going to have to work again is another thing.

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  316. pattypie says

    October 1, 2011 at 9:53 am

    Jon and Kate were heavy in the “working” for freebies at the time.

    It’s called product placement. Only in the hater world is it all “freebee”

    And besides what’s wrong with freebees? Like our crock pot give away?

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  317. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Oh please Deborah. You don’t think Kate ever said that? Openly or not, who cares? They were on a high that only someone being paid handsomely can ever know.

    Patty – Tomato, toemato, call it what you like. It’s not product placement if its not shown or talked about though right? It would be a freebie. I never said the was anything wrong with freebies.

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  318. Marnie says

    October 1, 2011 at 9:59 am

    What are you supposed to get from this comment?
    ———-
    I can’t tell you what you’re supposed to get out of it, that’s for you to decide. It’s a question to answer.

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  319. Deborah says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:01 am

    In this day & age I don’t hold it against anyone trying however they can to get more for their families, doesn’t matter if its a family of three or ten. As long as they are not taking away from anyone else’s family why would it matter what someone else has.

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  320. Judy says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Every single high order multiple family on TV has gotten freebies… Most had web pages way before they were every one TV. HOM present multiple problems for families in regard to costs and most communities are happy to help out. The Gosselins are the only ones who are called grifters, but the Hayes family had a running web site up until the time they went on TV. So did the Masches who openly told of being gifted with their van. The sainted Duggars are heavy into product placement, too, but no one would EVER call them grifters.

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  321. pattypie says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Kate will remain media relevant as long as the haters flock to every picture that appears of her on the internet.

    just sayin’

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  322. Judy says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:03 am

    (Cont’d) My point being that all of the not so transparent hate of Kate is getting VERY old. These people have been professing their concern about the kids for years, but they don’t care on iota about the kids. All they want is their revenge on Kate for having more than they think she deserves.

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  323. Deborah says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:04 am

    I love the crock pot give away Pie.
    How is it determined who wins ?
    I want to win 😉

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  324. Deborah says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:08 am

    I agree Judy #323. Seems they don’t like it when someone comes out of nowhere and rises above them.
    They deserve it more then she does dontcha know. Brings out the beast in some.

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  325. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:14 am

    “If Jon and Kate Gosselin have sold their children’s privacy, we the viewers are the guilty buyers, even as we find it harder and harder to see the pair as the guileless, relatable-to, in-over-their-heads parents we once knew and adored. Looking ahead, the Gosselins’ challenges are still real and many, though different: How will they teach their kids to be humble, and that normal people don’t get to run the bases at Phillies games? That everything isn’t free and yours when you want it? That fame is, by and large, capricious and fleeting? Only time will tell how their eight will deal with having grown up in a home studio, in front of cameras and fans, as the world watched.”

    —————-

    Another good paragraph from the same article as quoted above.

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  326. Deborah says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Well Kate takes the heat for it and Jon is the one that boasted about it. You can’t say Kate ever said it behind closed doors or even thought it you can only assume it. But then that’s nothing new is it.
    We don’t have to assume about Jon’s mindset.

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  327. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Flocking to pictures and articles on the web may keep her media relevant, but it won’t pay the bills (for very long).

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  328. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:20 am

    OH please Deborah. Clearly Kate is as greedy as Jon was. What about the list of “things they needed” early on? Kate and Jon are equally responsible for seeking freebies or products. Again, it really doesnt matter anymore as they are no longer on TV.

    Kate is taking the heat for anything she has done in the last 2 years (just as jon is given heat anytime he says something). I don’t think ANYONE believes that Kate was the ONLY one grifting or whatever you want to call it

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  329. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:23 am

    MArnie, your “question” has no merit. You are trying to deflect this debate onto Jon and whatever he has his “hands” in. I’m surprised you didnt include “pissy dogs” or “government worker” in your comment.

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  330. pattypie says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:34 am

    TC I guess time will tell how long Kate is able to pay the bills. Wishing and speculating won’t make one bit of difference.

    I am greedy too. I will take every opportunism I can find to save my family cash, to make cash for my family and get the best for the least amount of money for my family!

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  331. Marnie says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:35 am

    MARNIE, YELLING DOESN’T MAKE YOUR POINT ANYMORE VALID.
    ——–
    I’ve explained my use of caps in replies, if you choose to disregard it and think you’re being yelled at, that is on you.
    —————–
    Why would haters automatically assume Kate or Jon are not teaching their kids that all the stuff they get to see and do is a treat and not normal or will last forever? I’m assuming they have peers that don’t get to do or see the things they do and are old enough to know that not everyone gets to do and see all sorts of things

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  332. pattypie says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:38 am

    TC you get that all celebrities (even ones from reality shows) get things for free right? Heck even ole Pattypie has gotten things for free. We built a home a few years ago and I bought a houseful full of top end appliances. We had a lot of trouble with our fridge. Repairman was out 4 times. When I had more trouble and called the fifth time the company decided enough was enough and they replaced the fridge with a new one and refunded my cash. I got a fridge that cost several thousand dollars for FREE. When they offered it I certainly didn’t turn it down. I would have been a fool to do that.

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  333. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:39 am

    Marnie, your use of the capitals is inconsistent. My bad if you weren’t yelling. I do remember you said that, but again the inconsistency threw me.

    The entire article is well written IMO, check it out.

    phillymag.com/articles/jon_and_kate_gosselin/page1

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  334. PattyPie says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:44 am

    TC that article is from 2009. I thought you didn’t like things brought up from the past.

    Churches pay for motivational speakers. They do it all the time. Some speakers have a set fee some take their fee in terms of an “offering”. Many also sell their books, cd’s etc after the service. If you don’t believe me go ask your pastor.

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  335. PattyPie says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:46 am

    And the author was a good ole google journalist who got a lot of her facts straight from pages of GWOP.

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  336. PattyPie says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:47 am

    None of this comes as a surprise to David Rothermel. Owner of a custom cabinetry business in Lancaster County, he was Jon’s boss (and a friend of Jon’s parents) during Kate’s second pregnancy. He’s the guy singled out during Jon and Kate’s speaking engagements as the man who “did not want to insure [Jon] … they let him go.” However, Rothermel says — and supporting documents prove — that Jon Gosselin was fired for other reasons. The state unemployment office ruled that Jon improperly did a side job on company time; furthermore, Rothermel claims that before the babies were even born, Jon was on the phone and the Internet soliciting freebies, boasting openly that he was never going to have to work again.

    If that’s a good article I guess you agree with the research she did on the above statement?

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  337. addie says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:48 am

    Just saw Kate’s tweet regarding the twins birthday. A lot of her “tweeties” are wishing the twins a Happy Birthday today. If they were such dedicated fans, wouldn’t they know the twins birthday is next Saturday? I think a lot of her followers just want contact with a celebrity, any celebrity. It’s kind of sad that they don’t even know the history of the family.

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  338. PattyPie says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:49 am

    Jon and Kate Gosselin have sold their children’s privacy, we the viewers are the guilty buyers,

    So who is worse? Jon and Kate or the folks who watch the show? Or the folks who watch the show over and over trying to pick a part every word and movement Kate does?

    Also TC do you get that GWOP used to bash Jon far worse than any FAN site has ever bashed him? Until he became a Kate Hater. Then they started loving on him.

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  339. PattyPie says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Addie – I have no idea when the twins birthday is other than October. Sue me.

    Let me get this straight you are admonishing the fans beause they don’t know Maddy and Cara’s birthday? That’s kind of petty don’t you think? And it just goes to prove the haters study this family far more closely than any fan.

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  340. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:52 am

    Patty, I do not dispute that celebs get stuff for free, and even the common folk like you. I think it’s good customer service to provide the best service to someone who spends “several thousand dollars” on a fridge. They would suck as a company if they didn’t resolve any issues you had on a new item.

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  341. Hope says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:54 am

    What I find funny is when the fans talk about Jon the haters go nuts and say “It’s all Jons fault blah blah blah”….Like we are bringing Jon into it to deflect Kate’s issues. But when TC reads an article that clearly has Jon saying that he won’t have to work again and trying to get a ton on freebies, TC says that BOTH JON AND KATE had a hand in that…Why is Jon’s words used against Kate? CLEARLY Jon made those comments. Blame him for those comments, not Kate. Haters made that rule a looooonnnnngggg time ago. Kate is the biotch, she is to blame for everthing…(ya right) So don’t let Kate take the fall for Jon being a grifter, k haters?

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  342. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 10:59 am

    WOW patty! Are you defending kate or what! At least she has mentions in Glamour magazine and she DID get it published in a respectable magazine as well.

    Cool off there patty. I think the article was fair. It wasn’t mean girl stuff. Why so defensive?

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  343. addie says

    October 1, 2011 at 11:03 am

    PattiPie=yes I am admonishing the fans re Cara and Mady’s birthday. They claim that they love the family-yet they do not know the basic facts about them. I just find it very odd.

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  344. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 11:03 am

    “If that’s a good article I guess you agree with the research she did on the above statement?”

    I dont understand. I was agreeing with someone about Jon’s firing. The only reason I referenced the article is because it came up first on a google search. It mentioned the firing and what happened. Not sure what your point is?

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  345. PattyPie says

    October 1, 2011 at 11:06 am

    TC you have very odd perceptions of people. I am not defensive. It’s call debate. You seem to enjoy it.

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  346. PattyPie says

    October 1, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Addie that’s so odd. You can like a family without knowing everything about them. YIKES!

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  347. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Hope, you can’t be serious. So, Jon was trying to get freebies for himself? Diapers, strollers, Juicy Juice, what ever he was looking for, all that was for him? Sure. Kate was at home dutifully making dinner for her man. Totally unaware of his attempts to secretly secure these things. Oh the horror it must have been when she discovered this for the first time after bringing him the paper and his slippers and noticing it on the headlines “REALITY STAR ATTEMPTS TO STEAL FREEBIES, POOR WIFE COMPLETELY UNAWARE” 🙂

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  348. Hope says

    October 1, 2011 at 11:12 am

    Pattypie I like you and I don’t know when your b-day is 😉 I like a lot of people in this world and I don’t know some of their b-days. You can LIKE something and not be some weird stalker sheeple ya know 😉

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  349. pattypie says

    October 1, 2011 at 11:20 am

    Even that old article that we have all seen 100 times the reporter talks about freebees etc. I just don’t know where people get the idea that folks do a TV show for free? TLC gets paid for the advertising. The people who appeared on the show get paid in cash and in merchandise. Why should Jon and Kate do the show for free? Of course they should get the most out of it that they can. It’s like if your boss comes to you and says hey you are doing a great job here is a bonus – would you say NO because you only deserve your base salary? I sure hope not. That wouldn’t be in the best interest for your family

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  350. Deborah says

    October 1, 2011 at 11:34 am

    No Tc, Kate wasn’t home making dinner for her ‘man’ for the last 23 weeks of her 30 weeks of her pregnancy she was in the hospital on bed rest to ensure her babies made it.
    Did she have high hopes ? of course she did.
    Did she fear for the future of her babies if they made it ? again, of course, wouldn’t you ?
    I’m betting Kate was thrilled every time Jon came to visit and told her what he had secured for their family.
    Kate was the only one with a degree in anything, she was the major breadwinner in the family. When they met Jon was working in a hotel.
    Why wouldn’t both be highly concerned for their future.
    Doesn’t change Jon is the only one that publicly boasted he would never have to work again. Like he won the lottery.

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  351. Hope says

    October 1, 2011 at 11:35 am

    TC you missed the point. If it was Kate emailing looking for freebies, she’s be called a grifter etc. Jon asked for those freebies. Blame him for once. He got fired because HE was looking for freebies. I’m sure Kate knew about it (at least I hope she knew he was using company time to grift because it would have been a shock for her that he got fired if not)but don’t just give Jon a pass on that and blame Kate. He did the deed, grifted on company time and got his a$$ fired. End of story.

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  352. Joy says

    October 1, 2011 at 11:47 am

    Anyone remember Hailey bragging that Jon Gosselin was an expert on getting freebies? That was for himself and Hailey. Here is another excerpt from when Jon was at Sundance and freebies he was seeking were definitely not for Kate of the kids since Jon and Kate were separated.

    “But then disaster struck. Gosselin allegedly bored of all the fanfare and went a’drinkin’ and a’chasin’ the fillies, and wound up losing his happy family, his TV show and his money. Allegedly.

    The man who palled with Ed Hardy’s “designer” Chrisitan Audigier in France has a new girlfriend, Morgan Christie, and the two have been spotted by E! online’s Ted Casablanca & Co. at the Sundance Film Festival, going for the gusto in the freebie shacks known as “gifting suites.”

    These swag-filled destinations are where celebrities go to receive free goods in exchange for a photo-op that becomes an ersatz endorsement of the product. High profile placement advertising.”

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  353. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 12:01 pm

    #350 Just what are you trying to say? No one is saying that getting compensated for doing that isn’t good or that they should do it for free.

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  354. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    #351 you are really stetching it there to try and pin a statement made (allegedly) by jon that he is greedy and didnt want to work again. So what, we have seen his decisions were not the brightest, and if he said that, well all that amounts to is someone realizing the impending “wealth” they were about to experience.

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  355. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    #352 end of story? Hmmm. Well nicely packaged and closed. Kate and Jon were both responsible for the grifting getting him fired. I would say that moment in time was when things were changing and he got caught up in the web of greed and made bad decisions on when he attempted to grift. I’m not giving him a pass, and I’m not giving kate one either. The only difference was she wasn’t at work seeking freebies, but they are both responsible in the end.

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  356. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    #353, so what is your point? Didnt kate visit the gifting suite at the Kentucky Derby? Same thing. Who cares? People given the opportunity do it.

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  357. pattypie says

    October 1, 2011 at 12:18 pm

    355 356 357 What are you saying? What’s your point? I don’t understand.

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  358. HB says

    October 1, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Who was quoted in the NY Post during the TLC suit debacle…’I’m too famous to get a regular job’?

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  359. Joy says

    October 1, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Oh I don’t know. I never saw Kate standing by the fence on her property selling to fans or the media pictures of herself for $5 to $10 a pop but I do remember Jon doing that. To me that is nothing but pure greed but that’s just my opinion. lol

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  360. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    Another rumor, He was actually signing autographs and taking pictures. Where was it reported he was selling the pictures?

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  361. TCparra says

    October 1, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    Joy, they both got bit by the greed bug. Just as you would if someone was throwing money at you and you had fans adoring you and wanting to be near you.

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  362. pattypie says

    October 1, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Ok I have followed the Gosselin drama for two years and I am NO Jon fan. But I have never seen Jon selling pictures to fans and I would like to see proof of that.

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  363. Judy says

    October 1, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    The only time I know of the G’s selling photos was at their speaking events… and that is not unusual for speaking events. I’ve never heard of them selling anything by the fence, even though Jon was spending a lot of time courting the paps at the fence.

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  364. Deborah says

    October 1, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    I’ve seen pap pictures and on the show they showed Jon down at the fence taking pictures and signing autographs to/with his fans. The rag tabloids reported he was taking money. Some called it his cigarette money.
    I don’t know either of any real proof. Maybe the IW ladies know, they are real good with the facts!!!

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  365. Deborah says

    October 1, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    Judy, I’ve seen pictures and they were not all paps, there were lots of ladies young and old with ‘Team Jon’ tee shirts on.

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  366. pattypie says

    October 1, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    I’ve seen those pap pictures with Jon at the fence too with fans but I don’t ever recall seeing that he was taking money for them at the fence. Yikes but if he was taking money outside his million dollar home from fans..shame on the fans! YIKES.

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  367. Ann@IW says

    October 1, 2011 at 5:09 pm

    Do I sense some agreement between the Jon fan and the Kate fans on this thread? Jon and Kate both received “freebies” for their roles as Reality TV stars and no one has a problem with that. Am I right? Do we all agree? (Whoopee!)
    .
    Ms. PattyPie herself got a defective refrigerator replaced for FREE with her original investment returned??? Was that a Samsung refrigerator?

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  368. Ann@IW says

    October 1, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    I don’t know when the twins’ birthday is but I consider my self a fan of the show. I find it odd that a nonfan would know that sort of info. It indicates a level of interest based on dislike that makes no sense to me. If I dislike something, I avoid it (which is why I rarely read haters sites anymore- just not amusing IMO.)

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  369. pattypie says

    October 1, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    Actually Ann the Samsung is the fridge we have in this house. It broke they came and fixed it, no muss no fuss! Great company that Samsung! We sold the last house complete with free fridge and I didn’t deduct the cost of it off the price of the house! I got the fridge for free and the new owners paid me for it…LOL

    Uh oh…does that make me greedy?

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  370. Marnie says

    October 1, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    TCparra says:
    October 1, 2011 at 10:23 am
    MArnie, your “question” has no merit. You are trying to deflect this debate onto Jon and whatever he has his “hands” in. I’m surprised you didnt include “pissy dogs” or “government worker” in your comment.
    ————————
    My question has plenty of merit, but you are entitled to your opinion. It wasn’t a deflection about anything. Me thinks you read too much into such things. FYI the question had nothing to do with Ellen, but you tried to make it about her.
    ==============================================================
    TCparra says:
    October 1, 2011 at 9:41 am
    Without the benefit of being behind closed doors, it would be a guess, but I bet Kate and Jon BOTH were thinking they would never have to work (a normal job) again. Why would they? They were getting showered with money and stuff and attention.
    —–
    Why would Kate bother to continue to renew her nursing license all this time if that statement were true?
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    addie says:
    October 1, 2011 at 10:48 am
    Just saw Kate’s tweet regarding the twins birthday. A lot of her “tweeties” are wishing the twins a Happy Birthday today. If they were such dedicated fans, wouldn’t they know the twins birthday is next Saturday? I think a lot of her followers just want contact with a celebrity, any celebrity. It’s kind of sad that they don’t even know the history of the family.
    ————————-
    Just a hunch but I bet Kate is celebrating with the kids on her weekend
    =======================================================================
    #326-what gives anyone the impression that Kate or Jon haven’t taught their kids that the stuff they get to see and do is a TREAT, not a normal every day sort of thing? They have peers that don’t do the stuff they do, and they are old enough to get that their peers aren’t doing it.
    =============================================================

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  371. Marnie says

    October 1, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    TCparra says:
    October 1, 2011 at 9:41 am
    Without the benefit of being behind closed doors, it would be a guess, but I bet Kate and Jon BOTH were thinking they would never have to work (a normal job) again. Why would they? They were getting showered with money and stuff and attention.
    —–
    Why would Kate bother to continue to renew her nursing license all this time if that statement were true?
    –
    I also think the use “showered with money and stuff” is a huge exaggeration. They were far from rolling in stuff by the time TLC got a hold of them.
    ============================================
    #335-institutions offer $$$$ for speakers all the time, hell Snooki got paid $32000 to speak at Rutgers, more than Toni Morrison got and she’s an accomplished author and nobel prize winner!! It’s also much more than annual tuition!

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  372. Marnie says

    October 1, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    #369-that always amazes me about haters. It’s facinating, odd and creepy really.

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  373. Kiki says

    October 1, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    Back in less complicated times, when the haters hated Kate AND Jon, that remark of Jon’s about never having to work again was part of the “proof” that they had the sextuplets to make money off of. I don’t doubt that Jon might have said something like that, but I don’t think he was at all serious. You can’t live off of free juice and diapers. High order multiples have always gotten some freebies, but nobody made a living by having them. The Dilleys and McCaugheys (the FIRST sets of sextuplets and septuplets) had houses built for them, but they still had to work (and the Dilleys couldn’t afford to keep their house). Mostly they just got stuff that they only needed because they had all those babies. They couldn’t have known they were going to really hit the jackpot with their show, because it hadn’t been done before.

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  374. Deborah says

    October 1, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    That’s true Kiki, it was the first show of that kind and it was a hit. six years is a pretty good run too.
    The shows that have come after just weren’t as captivating, sure they were all sweet families but just didn’t have what Kate & Jon had. Back when they were still in love of course.
    I couldn’t watch it when things went bad.
    I agree, They had no way of knowing they would have a show or that it would last as long as it did.

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  375. Marnie says

    October 1, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    Why so defensive?
    addie:
    October 1st, 2011 at 11:03 am
    PattiPie=yes I am admonishing the fans re Cara and Mady’s birthday. They claim that they love the family-yet they do not know the basic facts about them. I just find it very odd.
    ———–
    What’s odd is that I must have missed where any fans have said they love this family and should therefore KNOW their birthdates
    –
    I love my grandma and even I can’t remember when her birthday is…… Just sayin’

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  376. PeggyP says

    October 2, 2011 at 12:52 am

    TC-What in the world gave you the idea that an employer who chose to release a UC decision at any level would get into any trouble? Decisions at the bureau and UC Board of Review in Pennsylvania aren’t reported, in large part because of the volume, but they can and are reported when they reach the Commonwealth Court appeal level (the court only reports decisions of particular significance, again because of the volume) or to the state Supreme Court. Either party is free to discuss decisions & there are no legal bars to them showing third parties a decision.

    According to the state licensing board, Kate has an active license as a registered nurse (the state does not distinguish whether the R.N. training was through a college or a diploma program) since August 20, 1997. You keep throwing out remarks about thinking she did it by “taking courses.” What she tweeted recently was that she completed her continuing education requirements for renewing her license, which she did on September 30, 2011 by taking online courses. In order to count for credit on mandated continuing professional education requirements, a course, online or not, must be certified as qualifying by the licensing body. The use of online courses is getting more and more common and can provide just as much information as can be obtained sitting in a conference room at some hotel. You have absolutely no basis for denigrating Kate’s professional status and you certainly have no basis other than your own imagination as to what Kate’s interaction with patients was like.

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  377. TCparra says

    October 2, 2011 at 6:59 am

    Peggy, all that you typed could have been better, typed somewhere else. This has been discussed and we have moved on. I certainly don’t need your input dripping with sarcasm. I won;t even waste my time trying to explain why I had the opinions I did.

    I know your position on Jon & Kate and who you co-blog with and I am not interested in any discussion.

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  378. Sadiemay says

    October 2, 2011 at 8:12 am

    Meaning, she didn’t understand what you wrote Peggy, so she can’t debate it.

    Have a great Sunday all!!

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  379. TCparra says

    October 2, 2011 at 8:17 am

    Ha Ha Sadie. There was more on my comment about why I didn’t want to debate her, but it was edited out. I can understand it, can you? I will say that the main reason I don’t want any conversation with her is because of who she co-blogs with.

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  380. TCparra says

    October 2, 2011 at 8:21 am

    I will say that what may be acceptable in one state may not be acceptable in other states, and may be considered confidential information that is NEVER OK to share with a reporter. I will also add, I don’t even know Pam or how she is in person or her manners or decision making when it comes to patients, BUT I would take her any day, sight unseen, than take Kate as my nurse. That is based on strictly how Kate presents herself and her clear lack of compassion.

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  381. TCparra says

    October 2, 2011 at 8:28 am

    I think it’s funny that People magazine printed 3 letters, 2 of which are not Rainbows & Flowers in love with Kate and 1 feels sorry for her. Even funnier is that on some blogs, they have tried to debate and breakdown the letters. Give it a rest. If people magazine was still in love with Kate, they probably wouldn’t printed them. People Magazine knows that the clear thinking public is feeling the same way about her.

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  382. CJWhodunit says

    October 2, 2011 at 8:44 am

    tc:”Kate is taking the heat for anything she has done in the last 2 years” I vehemently disagree with this. Kate takes heat for living her ENTIRE life in the first place. The hateful death wishes I’ve seen directed toward her are stunning at times!

    As an ‘uber-fan’ of Kate and the kids, I know that the twins’ birthday is Oct. 8, because that is a dear friend’s birthday AND it’s a week before MY tweenie’s 11th birthday (Kate and I were pregnant at the same time in 2000). addie, I find it stunning that you think fans know EVERY single detail about the Gosselin family. We ‘uber-fans’ aren’t haters, you know! We have lives of our own and don’t have the time to memorize EVERY SINGLE DETAIL about Kate and her kids, LOL, like so many of those ‘on the other team’. LOL. I like that you and tc are writing so much here. Your writing styles are very reminiscent of others, and the more you write, the more it is…revealing. 😉 Thanks for being mostly civil in this conversation!

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  383. TCparra says

    October 2, 2011 at 8:52 am

    CJ, my writing style is my own. I am not anything like anyone else. You vehemently disagree and you don’t remember every detail like the “other team’? I would say you probably know every detail that pertains to the Gosselins. How nice to include that you were pregnant at the same time as Kate.

    I still say the use of the “death threats” against Kate is silly. There are one or two nuts who have nothing to do when they get home from school and don’t know any better. A mature ADULT would no better against threatening someone, even on the internet.

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  384. TCparra says

    October 2, 2011 at 8:55 am

    Did anyone catch Saturday Night Live last night? They had a skit called “The Comments Section”. It was FUNNY!

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  385. TCparra says

    October 2, 2011 at 8:57 am

    CJ, I’m not sure what you were trying to say in your last sentence. Care to explain?

    “Your writing styles are very reminiscent of others, and the more you write, the more it is…revealing”

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  386. Pam@IW says

    October 2, 2011 at 9:00 am

    TCparra,
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    It is my opinion that you are wrong about the women on Twitter tweeting death wishes to or about Kate. They are not teenagers. That is pretty obvious. I don’t know why you would be surprised that adults are doing that considering everything else that adults have done in the blogging world of today.

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  387. Pam@IW says

    October 2, 2011 at 9:06 am

    LMAO It is up on Saturday Night Live’s website today.
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    You can find it here: http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/internet-comments-talk-show/1359602

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  388. PeggyP says

    October 2, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Sadiemay-What TC’s response at #381, which attempts to respond to me without acknowledging that she is responding to me, makes clear is that she understands what I’m saying. What she also makes clear is that she can’t respond with facts so she responds with irrelevant statements and a personal attacks. Her statement about the laws in other states is simply obfuscating. She doesn’t even attempt to contradict what I said about Pennsylvania law. All of the actions at issue, including those of Jon’s former employer, occurred in Pennsylvania. All of her claims and slurs on Kate’s credentials as a fully-qualified RN have been thoroughly rebutted by posters on IW, so she resorts to a personal attack on Kate.

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  389. Lily@IW says

    October 2, 2011 at 9:11 am

    What goes on Kate’s twitter’s feed is disgusting. Day after day of lies and beratement. They bully almost everyone who tweets to Kate. They bully the sames ones day and night. That behavior shouldn’t be minimized. They freely attack anyone regardless of age and say the most disgusting and intimidating things. People shouldn’t be attacked just because they want to tweet w/Kate.
    /
    I don’t know when Val Kilmer’s birthday is.

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  390. snickers says

    October 2, 2011 at 9:12 am

    I see tc seems to deflect what her friends have said on twitter, but when it was proven that those threats were out there, she blames kids. Oh my, and now she says no ones opinions are relevant because of who they blog with. Could we all say the same about her. 🙂

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  391. TCparra says

    October 2, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Snickers, the tweeters are NOT my friends, OK. Sure, say what you want about where I blog, thats your opinion and frankly based on some of your comments I really don’t want to get into it with you either.

    Peggy – I choose not to debate with you about the UC because I don’t know the law in Penn (as you have clearly shown you do) and was only speaking about a document and how it would be considered ILLEGAL in some states to show confidential documents about Employment to anyone.

    If my comments were not edited to remove the “Persoanl attacks” you would have seen the real reason I won’t debate with you.

    I don’t like Kate. I’m not hating on Kate. If you can’t handle the comments and opinions, then maybe you should stick to your home blog. If my comments are slurs on kate, so be it. My right to voice my opinion. No one has rebutted me, sure I was corrected on the Nurse comment, but thats fine. Whatever. No personal attacks here. I speak the truth about the blog you co-admin and could care less what you think of me or your co-blog partner for that matter thinks of me.

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  392. CJWhodunit says

    October 2, 2011 at 9:24 am

    Yes, “tc”, I was such an “uber-fan” of the show, I deliberately got pregnant the SAME time as Kate did with her twins, 4 years BEFORE the show ever aired and long before the Gosselins became a ‘celebrity’ family! LOL. 😉 I merely included the fact that Kate and I were pregnant at the same time because it’s how I remember the date of her twins’ birthdays. Before this year, I honestly did not know the twins’ birthday (like I said, same as a very dear friend who is like a dad to me), the sextuplets’ birthdays (the day after my Godson’s birthday, May 10th) and even Kate’s birthday, March 28th, which happens to have been my mother’s birthday (I’m sure the haters will twist that and claim my mom chose to be born on that day because it was Kate’s birthday!LOL) AND my niece’s birthday in 2007. Yes, I’m sure my in-laws planned her birthday to coincide with Kate’s birthday as well. 😉 So as you can see, LOTS of mnemonic reminders for me to remember the Gosselins’ birthdays (couldn’t tell you when St. Jon was born though, sorry)–it’s not rocket science, and I can guarantee I haven’t memorized their birthdays after hours of repetition, LOL! 🙂

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  393. Lily@IW says

    October 2, 2011 at 9:25 am

    That was a hysterical skit. I may have to start watching SNL again.

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  394. CJWhodunit says

    October 2, 2011 at 9:30 am

    “tc”, not saying you aren’t ‘unique’, just saying you are very…familiar, is all. It will come to me eventually, the more you and addie write, the more clues fall into place. “Whodunit” isn’t a name to hide behind for me, when I chose it in 1994 I was going through one of my periodic phases of devouring every mystery book I could find (then it was all of Agatha Christie’s works). Since I can (99% of the time) determine how a mystery book or film will end (very few surprise me), I still enjoy a challenge of trying to figure out who ‘anonymous’ people are, especially when they post under several different personas. You and ‘addie’ and several others are very challenging to me right now, just sayin’. 😉

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  395. Deborah says

    October 2, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Peggy, TC can’t debate what you know about Pa law so she blames it on your home blog. Just take it with a grain of salt and keep in mind where she blogs when not here entertaining, oops, I mean schooling us blind sheeples with her superior intellect and knowledge.

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  396. Pam@IW says

    October 2, 2011 at 9:39 am

    Please just comment about the subject matter and not the person commenting. Thank you

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  397. snickers says

    October 2, 2011 at 9:44 am

    Ooops, looks like tc does not like me. LOL. She is so overly invested in Kate and her life, makes me wonder what her own life is like. My comments were made about who she blogs with and the red flag came right back. Have a nice day IW ladies, off to the country.

    The SNL skit was funny. In my next life, I want to maybe be a lawyer. 🙂

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  398. TCparra says

    October 2, 2011 at 10:10 am

    Rather than just address what I said, you have to get deflective and try to create other scenarios on why people don’t like kate or comment in some way. I don’t debate her because I don’t know enough about Penn law to even start pretending to know what is right or wrong. I was ONLY making a point about (and have repeated that point at least 3 times) showing unemployment documents to a reporter and how it would be considered ILLEGAL in most states. Peggy has shown the different branches of government in Penn and who deals with UC’s. I did see that she also said it was OK to show the findings UC Board in the Commonwealth or the State Supreme. I don’t know how much they were appealed or if this was significant enough to be reported or shared.

    If my feelings denigrate Kate then oh well. She is/was a public figure open to the opinions of the public. Until that becomes outlawed, I guess MANY people will be denigrating Kate, as they will Jon and his every step.

    Imagination is something I would say is really in force at some blogs. Some come up with wild theories and are good at redirecting a comment with hypocritical prowess.

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  399. CJWhodunit says

    October 2, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Teens are the ones posting death wishes/threats to Kate on Twitter and Facebook? Really?
    I just posted this on Twitter after finding more evidence that you are not telling the truth:
    @CJWhodunit
    Ugly #KateGosselin #haters on Twitter wish death on 8’s mother: #DIAF means “die in a fire” @Kateplusmy8 @TLC @support http://preview.tinyurl.com/3667fa

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  400. CJWhodunit says

    October 2, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Feh, bad link. Try this one to view actual Twitter posts by ‘not-teens’ wishing death on Kate Gosselin. http://oi55.tinypic.com/302yr9z.jpg

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  401. TCparra says

    October 2, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Not telling the truth? Come on. Really? I intimated that they were young and probably had a lot of time on their hands. WHOEVER is doing these ridiculous comments and tweets is probably a VERY SMALL percentage and most are probably the same person. I’m not saying you shouldn’t worry about these things, but you can’t run your life worrying about these things. It seems the “fans” are more concerned than Kate. Using these “concerns” is a lame attempt to create a scenario that kate is bullied and threatened and afraid for her life.

    I have only seen two twitter names that threatened or wished death on her. How many would you say really do these things? Out of all the tweets and comments, how many REALLY threaten her? Wish her death? Why doesn’t someone call the FBI? They deal with this stuff. If you feel that strongly about her safety, why don’t you get the law involved?

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  402. CJWhodunit says

    October 2, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    ‘tc’ paraphrased: ‘because I personally haven’t seen any death threats/wishes directed at Kate, that means they don’t exist, and so what if they did, just because someone threatens Kate and the kid’s doesn’t mean they’ll actually go through with their threats, so no big whoop!’ Is that about the essence of it?

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  403. Sadiemay says

    October 2, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    Even ONE death wish on a person should be of concern. What the heck kind of world do we live in when even one death wish is considered harmless.

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  404. Judy says

    October 2, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    You’re absolutely correct, Sadie! It doesn’t matter how many or how few people are spewing their threats or death wishes to Kate’s twitter… They need to be held accountable because what they are doing is WRONG! I don’t know how anyone can minimize what they are doing 24/7.

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  405. Ann@IW says

    October 2, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    I LOVED the SNL link. – “DaTruf” with her fakety fake job as a pretendy lawyer was particularly funny.
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    So we can all agree that death threats to celebs via Twitter are stupid, immature, and wrong, can’t we? I am glad TC, the thread’s non-fan, won’t defend that. I don’t think she should have to if she agrees it’s horrible behavior and doesn’t engage in it herself.
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    TC, what do you think about haters and non-fans who tweet nasty stuff to Kate several times a day, even if Kate blocks them? I mean, being blocked by someone means that someone doesn’t want to read your thoughts. What do you think of people who tweet someone who has them blocked, just to say nasty things?

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  406. TCparra says

    October 2, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Nice try. I didnt say that. I said you can’t run your life based on wild threats from a few idiotic minorities on the internet. The fans seemed to be more “concerned” than Kate and are trying to use the “fear” as some martyr for their love of Kate.

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  407. TCparra says

    October 2, 2011 at 4:38 pm

    I think they too are idiots and just looking for some “fame” as the biggest bully in the play ground.

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  408. TCparra says

    October 2, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    When I say minorities, I mean small group.

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  409. Ann@IW says

    October 2, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    TCparra says:
    I think they too are idiots and just looking for some “fame” as the biggest bully in the play ground.

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    I do too! I can see how people would occasionally slip up and include a celeb’s name in a reply if it was in a tweet they’re replying to. Unfortunately, most just put her name on any and every mean tweet. I like the way you described it: bullies.

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  410. snickers says

    October 2, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    How many stars or even Reality Show people have had death threats. It’s usually only 1 that gets arrested. It’s reported daily and it is scary. Kate has 8 children and I hope her security is checking into the threats. It’s not funny, and I don’t care if only a few of them are doing it. To brush it off as a minority doing it is just lame, it’s not bullying anymore, it’s sick and this is when people can get hurt.

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  411. GeeWhiz says

    October 2, 2011 at 6:40 pm

    Imagination is something I would say is really in force at some blogs. Some come up with wild theories and are good at redirecting a comment with hypocritical prowess. ~ tcparra
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    This describes the hate blog you comment at. They also constantly make fun of Kate and her supporters.
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    No poster here will comment on the hate blog you do. If we used your reasoning for not debating Peggy than we should all ignore you.

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  412. Sadiemay says

    October 2, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    And yet you blog with “the biggest bully’s” tc. I don’t get it. Some of them have wished death. I’d back away from people like that.

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  413. TCparra says

    October 2, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    OK, I only going to say this once about the other blog that I openly comment on. I have seen how they talk about other blogs. I see that they are not kind when commenting on Kate, I guess thats why they are a “hate” site vs. Pro Kate site? I have only seen one person say something that sounded like a death threat and not a “regular” from the time I have been commenting there. I HAVE seen the name calling and mean girl stuff on some people. I see that they do focus on the blogs or people who are simply out on left field with their obsession or self imposed likeness of Kate. I see they comment a lot on another blog (which a few people here also comment at) that is basically a copy/paste blog and is as nasty if not nastier than RWA. That being said, it really doesn’t matter where I blog at as my opinions are my own. If you don’t like the comments, why read there? I read and comment here even though I am clearly the only “non fan”. I don’t mind defending my opinion or calling BS when someone pulls a scenario they “remember” that never happened or is far to speculative to part of a sane conversation.

    Just as people here have unique and very firm stances on where they stand in the Gosselin world, RWA has people who feel strongly about fans who are hypocritical or blogs who think that trashing other blogs is the way to support Kate. Sure there is trashing of Kate, but again it’s a Non Fan blog and it’s very likely you will never come around to accepting their opinions.

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  414. TCparra says

    October 2, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    Gee – You can interpret what I said and not comment if you choose. There is a specific reason I will not debate Peggy. My comment was modified by the mod here and I am fine with it. Lets just say it goes WAY beyond picking on Kate and her supporters. No sense in getting any more specific, but its a lot deeper and there is no “gray” area in this topic for me.

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  415. TCparra says

    October 2, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    Snickers, it’s not lame to say that you cannot run your life in fear over a small group of idiots. Like I asked, how many people are really doing this do you think? I have seen 2 examples with various forms of ridiculous comments or “threats”

    Honestly, wishing someone would wrap their car around a tree is not a death threat. More like death “wish”. It’s up to Kate for that not to happen. Doesn’t make it any less ridiculous, just not a death threat.

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  416. Lynn Brady says

    October 2, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Oh Good grief. Wrapping a car around a tree. Wishing someone would die in a fire. And then some is enough threats in my book. Ridiculous and yes a death threat.

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  417. TCparra says

    October 2, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    It is NOT a death threat. Like I said, its a death wish. Oh good grief. If I said to you, I am going to come over and shoot you, THAT is a threat. Saying I wish you would wrap your car around a tree or die in a fire is NOT a threat. That is someone (albeit sick) WISHING something bad would happen. When a kid says to their parents, “I hate you, I wish you were dead” would that be a threat? That is an extreme example, but makes the point, I think. Like I said as well, you cannot get all worked up into a frenzy over tweets and comments that are a bunch of idiotic bullies who probably don’t have an IQ higher than room temp.

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  418. Sadiemay says

    October 2, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Even wishing someone to wrap their car around a tree is wrong. TC If any of us “wished”Jon would wrap his car around a tree ,you and every anti Kate blog, would be attacking us…and you should be.Those children need their parents. It’s wrong to wish that and if you try to deny or defend it,It’s too late. If you’re the spokesperson for the anti Kate side, you fail.

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  419. TCparra says

    October 2, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    I NEVER said I am defending someone saying that. I was only pointing out that it isn’t a death THREAT. It’s not right and not OK, but it will not get you thrown in Jail for wishing something like that as opposed to actually saying you would do it.

    Let me repeat it for the reading challenged, I AM NOT DEFENDING SOMEONE SAYING THAT. IT IS WRONG. I was only making the point as stated above.

    I NEVER SAID I was the spokesperson for the anti Kate side either. I am one person with opinions, some or most YOU don’t like, but they are only opinions or comments. Lets move on because some people are just bent on trying to lump all stupid idiotic immature asinine comments into one and a sentiment that “haters” adapt. Like I said, how many people are really doing that? Maybe that is where you should focus your energy.

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  420. MarieS says

    October 3, 2011 at 5:31 am

    It is NOT a death threat. Like I said, its a death wish. Oh good grief. If I said to you, I am going to come over and shoot you, THAT is a threat.

    …

    Legally they are the same thing. What you call a threat is considered a stronger threat. What you are calling a death wish is considered a threat. People have gone to prison with a death wish used as proof of motive. So if/when Steve gets fed up or they find someone making wishes who has a lot of $$$, they can definitely take them to court.

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  421. GeeWhiz says

    October 3, 2011 at 5:47 am

    I see that they do focus on the blogs or people who are simply out on left field with their obsession or self imposed likeness of Kate. ~ tcparra
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    That is BS. They make fun of everyone who supports Kate including this site. RWA is the nastiest blog around.
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    I don’t mind defending my opinion or calling BS when someone pulls a scenario they “remember” that never happened or is far to speculative to part of a sane conversation. ~ tcparra
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    I see you still did not learn from calling my story BS and something made up in my mind. Just because you were not around to see something does not make it BS. This is not your blog so you don’t get to decide what is discussed.
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    RWA has people who feel strongly about fans who are hypocritical or blogs who think that trashing other blogs is the way to support Kate. ~ tcparra
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    ROFL. RWA is full of hypocrites that have been trashing people and blogs for years. Some of the Kate hate tweeters are from RWA. Did you miss the comment saying they create a new account when Kate blocks them?

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  422. PeggyP says

    October 3, 2011 at 5:54 am

    Marie-I think one point that seems to be getting lost here is that we have no knowledge as to threats that were never posted on the internet that Kate may have received or been intercepted by security without her seeing them. TLC started paying for Steve’s company to provide security when Jon & Kate were still living under the same roof. Steve’s is a major security company & I doubt that TLC would have gone to that expense without significant grounds to do so. From statements Steve has made, he has seen what he regards as serious threats.

    As for the online stuff, I have no doubt that some of it is stuff that is disturbing enough that security will monitor but that does not yet rise to the level of supporting legal action.

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  423. MarieS says

    October 3, 2011 at 6:08 am

    PeggyP-
    I’m not a litigator but I date one in my spare time. 🙂

    So the other point is that you have to either have a criminal prosecution, which needs to have a higher level of threat, or someone that has something that makes it worth your while to institute a civil suit. So internet shut ins don’t make very good targets for lawsuits since they do not appear to have much in the $ department.

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  424. TCparra says

    October 3, 2011 at 6:47 am

    Gee – You have no idea what you are talking about. Whatever. You can defend what ever blog you like, chances are you post at one of the other blogs where anonymous is the name everyone likes.

    I never said this was my blog as it isn’t yours, so where do you get the idea you can tell me what I can and cannot say?

    Like I said I am not defending what they say over there, that’s their right. PLUS, you don’t have to read it so you won’t have to ROFL while reading, I don’t care.

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  425. GeeWhiz says

    October 3, 2011 at 7:19 am

    tc – I wasn’t defending any blog I was pointing out the truth about RWA.
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    You act like this is your blog. You tell people to move on, say their comments are insane, say they are fanatics, etc.
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    You need to remember Kate fans have the right to say what they want and you do not have to read at their blogs. Please remind your fellow hate bloggers of this.

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  426. TCparra says

    October 3, 2011 at 7:31 am

    The truth about RWA? Look, they don’t like Kate or the “fans” who continue to be just as hateful or hypocritical as the haters. Where THEY read is their business as well. I chose to post here and I comment on what I want. You just keep going in circles with you telling me not to read here or telling me to defend their comments.

    I only say “move on” when the conversation just goes on and on and never really says anything. If the comments just keep going, I can simply stop reading or skip past the comments.

    Why do you read RWA if you don’t like what they say?

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  427. GeeWhiz says

    October 3, 2011 at 8:25 am

    I guess you misread my post so let me explain again. You keep saying the haters have a right to their opinion and can say what they want and post where they want. That also applies to the fans. Do you understand now?
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    Reread this thread. You seem to be the one going in circles.
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    I rarely read at RWA since they are so hateful and disgusting. Just went to see what BS you were posting. Why do you read at the support sights if you don’t like what they say or are blocked from posting?

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  428. CoCoPuff says

    October 3, 2011 at 8:27 am

    TCParra said… Why do you read RWA if you don’t like what they say?
    ****************************
    Why do you read ANYONE’S comments here TC?

    You don’t like what they say.

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  429. TCparra says

    October 3, 2011 at 8:45 am

    I don’t think YOU even understand what you are posting. I am not telling anyone (fans or non fans) where they can post. At the risk of being labeled “someone who thinks this is her blog”, Can we move on from this?

    You think edos is a support sight? That is funny.

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  430. TCparra says

    October 3, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Coco – I read and comment as I please. I have a differing opinion about a lot of what is said here. My opinions are not received well here by many, thats why they question me and debate my take on things. Thats what the blogging world is all about.

    If the mods here has a Mission Statement that said “Any comments that don’t kiss Kates ass will be deleted” I wouldn’t even bother wasting my time. I comment because it is a free forum to say as you like (within reason of course) and not controlled with an Iron Delete button if a comment contains something that doesn’t kiss up to Kate.

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  431. GeeWhiz says

    October 3, 2011 at 9:40 am

    I understand what I am posting but I see you still don’t. So I will try again.
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    In your comment #425 you say “Like I said I am not defending what they say over there, that’s their right”. I ask you why don’t the Kate supporters have the same rights?
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    When I asked why you go to support sites I was referring to IW, Sage, Ziggy and BabyMama. I never once mentioned edos.

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  432. CoCoPuff says

    October 3, 2011 at 10:27 am

    TC, I never said you couldn’t post where ever you want, I just repeated what you said. ( That’s all)

    You must really enjoy the twist ~LMAO

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  433. Anya@IW says

    October 3, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Hey guys, I have to say this is getting a little out of hand, in my opinion. It seems there is a lot of discussion about other Gosselin sites and too many personal jibes at other posters. That is not what we want this thread to be about. Let’s get back to “Gosselin Chatter” – discussing Kate and the like. Thanks much! 🙂

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  434. TCparra says

    October 3, 2011 at 11:33 am

    Anya, got it. I will only say one last thing and move on:

    CoCoPuff
    October 3, 2011 at 8:27 am
    TCParra said… Why do you read RWA if you don’t like what they say?
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    Why do you read ANYONE’S comments here TC?
    You don’t like what they say

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    Not sure how I twisted that. Whatever, have a great day!

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  435. CoCoPuff says

    October 3, 2011 at 11:42 am

    LMAO!!

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  436. CoCoPuff says

    October 3, 2011 at 11:46 am

    I hope Kate is going to find a media job real soon, IMO she will, she is not one to sit on the sofa and play video games.

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  437. TCparra says

    October 3, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    # 437 What the heck does mean? When someone comes home after a long day at their mediocre day job, maybe video games is a nice release? Who knows. LOL

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  438. Anya@IW says

    October 3, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Anybody here watch Real Housewives of New Jersey? Now THERE is some drama going on! Jacqueline Laurita went insane on Twitter this weekend. Strangely entertaining!

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  439. snickers says

    October 3, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    I don’t see why one poster keeps rehahsing Kate over and over. Wish we could change the post to Jon, now maybe we could have a new discussion?? I’ll bet the tone would be different. LOL

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  440. CoCoPuff says

    October 3, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    I did Anya, I watched it this morning.
    I do not know what to think regarding who set up Melissa, I don’t wanna know ~LOL.

    As for RH shows she isn’t the worst singer

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  441. CoCoPuff says

    October 3, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    As for the twitter war, I only read some about it, I don’t twitter.

    IMO they should keep it to themselves they are acting like teenagers when they take their arguments to the internet.

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  442. Anya@IW says

    October 3, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    I agree, CocoPuff, I lost respect for Jacqueline for posting what she did on Twitter. And I don’t care if it’s true or not. Classless and juvenile.
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    Snickers, I believe one of the IW mods is working on a new Gosselin piece that will be posted soon!

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  443. Judy says

    October 3, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    Coco, Re the RH singers, NONE of them are that good… If they didn’t have all that electronic stuff going on with their voices, they would all be pretty bad, IMO.

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  444. Joy says

    October 3, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    Anya I think there is a lot going on in the background that we don’t see or hear about. Jacqueline is usually very level headed and fair and has been since the first season. So something must have happened that Teresa said or did that made her as angry as she is. Teresa fought like a Tiger trying to keep Melissa and her brother off the show and threatened to quit when word leaked out that Bravo was going to sign them and Kathy and her husband. Teresa in my opinion is all about Teresa and thinks everything is about her or directed at her. I think the fame has definitely gone to her head and her husband Jon is a dog as far as I’m concerned. So I’m more likely to respect what Jacqueline says and feels since this is the first time we’ve seen her get this upset. It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if Teresa set up Melissa for a fall because her jealousy is raging obvious. Probably and this is just a guess but I suspect Jacqueline is angry about Teresa setting up Melissa and making it look like a stripper at some club instead of what she actually did at the club which was bartending for a short time. For Teresa to give false information and lie that Melissa was a stripper instead of a bartender would make any friend angry and Jacqueline and Caroline seem to really like Joe and Melissa. I am actually pretty surprised, I really like Melissa’s song and I think she is a pretty good singer. She is so much better than the Countess from the New York series that’s for sure, by a mile.

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  445. CoCoPuff says

    October 3, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    LOL Judy about the RH singers, so true. Do they all use that auto tune thing?

    Anya, ITA

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  446. CoCoPuff says

    October 3, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    I don’t know what is going on behind the scenes with the RHONJ but I sure wouldn’t wanna do a reality show with any of my family members.
    My own family maybe, it would depend on the amount of money but extended family ~Oh Helllo NO !

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  447. Joy says

    October 3, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    CoCo when it comes to producing a song from my understanding there isn’t an artist out there doesn’t some form of “enhancement” and sound quality has been put into the final output of a song. Some more than others but to produce the best sound many techiniques are used.

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  448. Marnie says

    October 3, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    TCparra:
    October 2nd, 2011 at 9:25 pm
    Snickers, it’s not lame to say that you cannot run your life in fear over a small group of idiots. Like I asked, how many people are really doing this do you think? I have seen 2 examples with various forms of ridiculous comments or “threats”
    Honestly, wishing someone would wrap their car around a tree is not a death threat. More like death “wish”. It’s up to Kate for that not to happen. Doesn’t make it any less ridiculous, just not a death threat.
    ————
    It is lame. I have to wonder, if the subject weren’t Kate Gosselin, and were instead homosexual teenagers, would you answer the same?
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    TCparra:
    October 3rd, 2011 at 12:03 pm
    # 437 What the heck does mean? When someone comes home after a long day at their mediocre day job, maybe video games is a nice release? Who knows. LOL
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    Only someone with a mediocre day job. Would have the luxury of coming home from work to play video games.

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  449. snickers says

    October 3, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    CoCoPuff,

    HELlO NO. LMAO. I can’t imagine doing any TV show with family, unless we could all stay in our own homes and film in about 7 states. That would be close enough for me. :)))))

    Marnie,

    Who has time to play video games at night if you are involved with your children’s activities. There are many things that take place in the evenings, especially music, some sports, etc?? I hope Jon is involved, but no one has ever mentioned it.

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  450. CoCoPuff says

    October 3, 2011 at 2:00 pm

    For all you RHWONJ fans, this is a must read you will LOL!
    http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-jersey/season-3/blogs/jay-mohr/showgirls?page=0,0&Matchmaker%2FDallasSiteTakeover=1

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  451. Anya@IW says

    October 3, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    Joy, I’m sure there is a lot we don’t see and hear. I’m nosy and I want to figure it out! 🙂
    .
    Jacqueline has always been my favorite. I just don’t think handling a dispute on Twitter is the way to go. But I’m a hypocrite because I’m enjoying following the whole mess!
    .
    Thanks for the reminder to read Jay Mohr’s blog, CoCo. He is hilarious.
    .
    Just saw a tweet from one of the housewives blogs that said BOTH Caroline and Jacqueline are out for season 5. No idea if it is true. We also know that is looking likely that Teresa might land a spot on Celebrity Apprendice. I can see jealousy at play here. I’m not defending Teresa – she is what she is – but to Joy’s point, I think this is about a lot more than defending Melissa’s “honor.”

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  452. TCparra says

    October 3, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    Marnie, what the hell does that comment mean? Homosexual teenagers? I wouldn’t wish any harm on them either!! That is BS if you are trying to get me to talk #%@ about a teenager with sexual preferences that are different.

    Just what is your point in that comment?

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  453. Joy says

    October 3, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    I saw that too Anya that both Caroline and Jacqueline will be out for Season 5 not that Jacqueline is a suprise since she already said she wasn’t returning but I must admit I’m very disappointed about losing Caroline. In the beginning Caroline was my least favorite but she grew on me and now I like her very much. It will be an unfortunate loss to the show but remember Bravo wants the drama and Caroline is the most mature level headed of all the women. I for some reason can’t see Caroline giving up her sense of morality and bring some drama to the show just for the sake of staying on there. I’m guessing that she would just say “Whatever is to be, will be” so I doubt she would be devastated about it.

    Thanks for seeing Anya that I was basing my opinion of Jacqueline on her overall personality and behavior form the beginning of the show and who among us hasn’t “lost it” and had moments of bad behavior? We all have our moments.

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  454. Anya@IW says

    October 3, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    Please, let’s not use swear words. We aren’t that blog!
    .
    Anyone want to rehash Cupcake Gate again?!?
    .
    Don’t make me bring up every single Housewives show because I will! It’s better than posters picking at each other, IMO.

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  455. MarieS says

    October 3, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    I stopped watching Jersey two years ago. Never watched Miami. Stopped watching Atlanta one year ago. BUT I can’t stop NY or Beverly Hills. I’m hoping to enter Real Housewife rehab before OC sucks me in again.

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  456. GeeWhiz says

    October 3, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    Thanks for the link CoCoPuff. I haven’t watched in a while but Jay’s recaps are hilarious!

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  457. kimmie says

    October 3, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    i agree anya. i’m so over the back and forth with tc and whoever. i know it’s only my opinion but engaging with her takes away from this blog instead of enhancing it. it seems to take over every post made.

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  458. kimmie says

    October 3, 2011 at 4:29 pm

    anya, post #455 reminds me of the episode where they went back to the nicu and jon said his dad said something was like getting pecked by a pack of ducks lol

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  459. TCparra says

    October 3, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    What ever. Can’t handle it, don’t read it.

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  460. Joy says

    October 3, 2011 at 4:57 pm

    LOL I was right. I figured that was what you were doing Anya. Well I tried too. 🙂

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  461. Pam@IW says

    October 3, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    Did anyone see the info that was posted in my comment in the Entertainment thread? Check it out. There are some other interesting topics over there also.
    .
    https://imperfectwomen.com/celebrity-news-love-gone-wrong-movie-openings-and-a-sad-death/

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  462. Pam@IW says

    October 3, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    What do you all think about the Amanda Knox verdict? We have a post up for that. https://imperfectwomen.com/amanda-knox-found-not-guilty/
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    So many neat things to talk about.
    .
    Start your own topic over in the lounge:
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    https://imperfectwomen.com/october-roads-lead-to-all-things-good/

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  463. TCparra says

    October 3, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    Kate Gosselin:
    @tarasiejk a babysitter 4 days/week and a weekly cleaning lady&i hav lotsa energy! Wouldn’t want a cook if could. This is my job&I love it!

    ———————-

    Why does Kate need a babysitter & cleaning lady? These kids should be old enough and what is SHE doing that she can’t handle her kids?

    Just curious and keeping the topic on Kate. What is your take on the need for sitter and cleaning lady?

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  464. Deborah says

    October 3, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    How would we know what Kate’s needs are or the needs of so many kids all the same age ?
    If she employed nine sitters seven days a week I would just figure it was her business, doesn’t concern me and my life one bit. I’m not paying her bills.

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  465. TCparra says

    October 3, 2011 at 6:03 pm

    you missed the point. She is a mother of 8, count um 8 kids. Does she have a problem caring for her own kids?

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  466. CoCoPuff says

    October 3, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    I think Kate is having wild parties at her house and needs someone to clean up after them and she needs the sitter for when she goes out dancing.

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  467. Marnie says

    October 3, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    TCparra says:
    October 3, 2011 at 2:41 pm
    Marnie, what the hell does that comment mean? Homosexual teenagers? I wouldn’t wish any harm on them either!! That is BS if you are trying to get me to talk #%@ about a teenager with sexual preferences that are different.

    Just what is your point in that comment?
    —————————————————–
    Good grief. Comprehension!!! Look up for the answer, it’s way over your head.
    ====================================================================
    Why does Kate need a babysitter & cleaning lady? These kids should be old enough and what is SHE doing that she can’t handle her kids?

    Just curious and keeping the topic on Kate. What is your take on the need for sitter and cleaning lady?
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    You should worry about what YOU are doing, not Kate Gosselin. I’m pretty sure you don’t pay her sitter or cleaning lady, so at best you’re just being judgy and jealous.
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    When you have 1 parent and 8 kids, you can only do so much with kids, you will always be way out numbered. If 2 kids needed to do homework, and 3 kids had extracurriculars, and 3 others just wanted to hang out outside, how many adults would be needed for this? Here’s a hint, it’s got nothing to do with whether or Kate can handle her kids.
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    This visual of Kate sitting back while the babysitter is parenting is hilarious.

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  468. Marnie says

    October 3, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    CoCoPuff says:
    October 3, 2011 at 6:10 pm
    I think Kate is having wild parties at her house and needs someone to clean up after them and she needs the sitter for when she goes out dancing.
    ——————————
    I think she should hire a hot pool boy to clean out the pool after a weekend humdinger!! I also think pool boy should fan her and feed her grapes too.

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  469. MarieS says

    October 3, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    I think Kate needs the babysitter so that she has a designated driver when she’s polished off that bottle of sake.

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  470. CoCoPuff says

    October 3, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    LOL Marie @ the sake and I am all for the pool boy also.

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  471. Deborah says

    October 3, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    Of course I believe Kate can handle her own children but having a helper means much less stress for Kate and her kids.
    If it was a two parent maybe the need for a extra pair of hands and eyes wouldn’t be needed.
    Just another person there to help keep the kids safe and for things to run smoother. Why would it bother you ?

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  472. Lily@IW says

    October 3, 2011 at 6:34 pm

    I agree Deborah. I think it’s great Kate has a sitter. The younger ones still need a lot of supervision. They can be wild and reckless. It’s so hard to cook in the kitchen and be in the yard or whatever rooms the kids are playing in and through. Kate having a sitter takes the responsibility off the older girls, since that’s the way it goes in a lot of families.
    MarieS, LOL

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  473. Anya@IW says

    October 3, 2011 at 6:54 pm

    jon said his dad said something was like getting pecked by a pack of ducks lol
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    I still remember that quote and it was one of my favorites of Jon. I think just about any adult caring for more than one child could relate! But I can see its other interpretations too!

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  474. GeeWhiz says

    October 3, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    CoCoPuff, Marnie & MarieS – ROFL
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    Deborah & Lily – Great points and ITA.
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    I have a cleaning lady and it is only me and my husband. I could clean but I don’t want to and can afford to let someone else do it.

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  475. Deborah says

    October 3, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    I remember that too Anya, it was cute when Jon said that.

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  476. Anya@IW says

    October 3, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    TCparra says…Why does Kate need a babysitter & cleaning lady?
    .
    Just on the subject of a cleaning lady — is there anyone who doesn’t want a cleaning lady (or man)?! I know some don’t want somebody messing around in their stuff, but I bet if you polled Americans, at least 75% would say “Yes, please!”
    .
    Can’t we all agree on that one small point? 🙂

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  477. Anya@IW says

    October 3, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Thanks GeeWhiz. I hope to follow your path one day! Actually, I like cleaning, but there are many other fun things to do in life so if you can afford it, I say go for it.

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  478. Marnie says

    October 3, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Surely cleaning a million dollar mansion 😉 would take some time! I’d have a cleaning lady too, would free up some time for sake!!

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  479. TCparra says

    October 3, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    I asked that question to see the responses. I could care less if she has a nanny, a chef, 2 baby sitters, etc.

    I do wonder though, if the kids are at school a large portion of the day, 5 days a week, why is Kate tweeting she is so exhausted, considering she has a nanny and house keeper? When they are home after school, why would you need a nanny? Just wondering.

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  480. Pam@IW says

    October 3, 2011 at 8:39 pm

    Tcparra,

    Have you ever employed anyone in your daily routine? Child care, cleaning, gardner, pool service?

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  481. TCparra says

    October 3, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    Many years ago. Now, no.

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  482. MarieS says

    October 3, 2011 at 8:43 pm

    TC-
    She tweeted that she had lots of energy. You misunderstood her tweet.

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  483. Pam@IW says

    October 3, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    I have absolutely no idea what Kate or her children’s needs are and I am sure it is none of my business…. but living in Southern California it is not unusual for many of us to employ the services I mentioned.
    .
    Before I retired, I had weekly cleaning. I have also had live in child care in the past when I was working full time and went back to grad school. I had several times during the year where I had major blocks of time off. I could not let these people go and expect to automatically get their services back when I returned to work. Quite possibly, Kate is anticipating returning to work so she is keeping the services current.
    .
    Quite possibly it is just a matter that she can afford to continue to pay for their services and uses her time spent in other areas.
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  484. TCparra says

    October 3, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    She has tweeted she is so exhausted many times. She always is tired. How many of your little tweet parties has she actually made?

    What ever. Maybe she is doing things that leave her exhausted before the kids get home, who knows. I’m not trying to be her accountant (as I was once called by someone here).

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  485. PeggyP says

    October 3, 2011 at 9:08 pm

    Kate aaid she had a babysitter 4 days a week and a cleaning lady once a week yet, somehow, yet,somehow, TC manages to turn this into a nanny and a housekeeper.

    For what it’s worth, I have a cleaning lady every other week. Given my orthopedic issues I found much of housecleaning too difficult to do. My mother had four children and, for much of my childhood, an aging and ultimately ailing father. When she went back to teaching, my dad and she hired someone to do the ironing for my dad’s shirts and ultimately hired her to be a part-time housekeeper & to help look after my grandfather. In Kate’s case, especially without a husband’s support, if she can afford help, she’d be idiotic not to have it.

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  486. MarieS says

    October 3, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    TC-
    Sorry you had previously said that you didn’t even know how twitter worked so I wasn’t aware that you’d been following Kate for so long.

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  487. TCparra says

    October 3, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    Nanny, Babysitter, House Keeper, Cleaning Lady, To mato, Toe Mato. Really Peggy? No big conspiracy here. Not much of a difference in the end.

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  488. TCparra says

    October 3, 2011 at 9:31 pm

    Marie, it’s called reading her tweets when on other blogs. Most blogs have her tweets at the top. Surprised you didn’t know that.

    I never said I didn’t know how it worked, I said I didn’t have twitter or Facebook.

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  489. CJWhodunit says

    October 3, 2011 at 9:32 pm

    tcparra, a question. Do you condone the sockperson Lisa Knight stealing a picture of me and hate speech/’targeting’ me and my 3 minor children on the RAWten blog? I am curious about that. An unknown friend send me a DM with that information, so I went to see for myself (didn’t want to give LK, him/her/whatever the hit but needed the evidence to report it) and yup, there I was. 🙂 The one bright spot on a dismal page, LOL! I’m glad to see that blog getting a fair and balanced outlook by including fans and supporters there instead of just the usual hatemongers. It’s a sign of hope to me that maybe somewhere, deep deep down inside the lot of you all there, that maybe just maybe there is a teeny, weeny, tiny, spark of decency…BWAHAHAHA. What am I saying, you condone/twist death wishes/death threats as ‘okay, they really aren’t meant that way’ and yet haters like that woman who stalked Kate and the kids at the pumpkin patch really happened…I have seen many hater posts documenting to the MILLISECOND just what Kate is doing and where she is going, and I have not a single doubt in my mind, that some sick one of the haters might actually show up on those dark rural country roads some night and try to run Kate off the road, even if her kids were in the BBB…because “Kate deserved it”. A year ago I wouldn’t have imagined such a thing, but after the way *I* have been treated there’s no doubt in my mind that some of your good buddies have that darkness in them that led to the deaths of other famous people in the past over disagreements of opinions! :*(

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  490. MarieS says

    October 3, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    Oh, you can’t trust that. I can type anything and pretend that someone tweeted it. It’s a very common fake out. Like I can pretend I retweeted you:
    @MarieS This is just awful. RT @tcparra I just robbed a bank.

    So unless you follow her you can’t trust things that are typed. And I don’t go to gosselin only sites. Most of the sites I post on don’t allow tweet copies without a screen shot because of the fakery that goes on.

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  491. snickers says

    October 3, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    I’m not guessing why Kate would need a babysitter, or a part-time cleaning lady. With 8 children the answer should be rather simple. If you had to take 1 child to an after school activity, or to a sleep-over, or to a Doctor’s appt, why would you need to drag the other 7 with you if they just wanted to stay home. Also maybe the older twins are involved in an activity and Kate would want to just spend the time with them, and maybe vise-versa with the others. Jon even said he could not handle all the children alone and he had Ellen there to entertain them. Jon and Ellen have the 8 every other weekend, which would be 4 days, and Kate is resonsible for all the other time. Common sense would tell the issue of all of this, but some want to tear her down for that. I guess when I see Jon meeting the bus in the morning, packing the lunches, doing the laundry, doctor’s apps, etc, then Kate might get a tsk tsk for me. LOL

    I have hired help when needed, and looking into having some part time help with deep cleaning this fall, and I don’t have 8 kids at home. 🙂

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  492. TCparra says

    October 3, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    Marie, I’m sure anyone here can update yo how its done. Simply put, it’s a “window” the blogs use that shows Kates tweets. They are legit. No trickery or fake tweets.

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  493. MarieS says

    October 3, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    TC – Really? How clever you are for not knowing anything about tweeting.

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  494. TCparra says

    October 3, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    CJ, you want my opinion then you mock my take on death threats vs. wishes?

    There is a difference and if you can’t see it, then you are blind.

    I have no idea why your picture is there. I saw it, I saw the snark on it and based on your mocking of my opinion, I really don’t care why they have it up on their blog.

    Get a grip. You want to be a martyr for Kate and the fear of someone running her off the road, go for it. I really think that only a fool would get so wrapped up in someone else safety concerns that she would be making up scenario’s in the “dark of night”.

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  495. TCparra says

    October 3, 2011 at 10:04 pm

    Marie, what are you trying to do? Be smart? I never said I didn’t know how to tweet. I SAID I DONT TWEET OR HAVE TWITTER!

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  496. TCparra says

    October 3, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    CJ, from what I have seen, YOU are the one fan who is everywhere “defending” kate and her way of life. Seems you are pretty invested in her life. How did that feel trying to change all those minds over at People.com? How did that work out for you?

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  497. CJWhodunit says

    October 3, 2011 at 11:52 pm

    MarieS, apparently, “ignorance” is bliss for haters who can spit out specific details about everything they purport to ‘dislike’ about a fellow woman and mother!

    Tc, awaiting your reasonable response to my question a few posts back. Your silence lends me to believe that yes, you DO condone death wishes against fellow human beings (like me and Kate). Color me not surprised. *sigh*

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  498. Marnie says

    October 4, 2011 at 2:16 am

    TCparra:
    October 3rd, 2011 at 8:33 pm
    I asked that question to see the responses. I could care less if she has a nanny, a chef, 2 baby sitters, etc.
    I do wonder though, if the kids are at school a large portion of the day, 5 days a week, why is Kate tweeting she is so exhausted, considering she has a nanny and house keeper? When they are home after school, why would you need a nanny? Just wondering.
    —————
    Now that 2\3 of my kids are in school full time, I am busier than ever. Even with an able bodied husband to help, when he’s not at work, there are times when another set of hand and eyes and ears would be oh so helpful.
    –
    I’m not sure of any
    family, with multiple kids, that only needs to clean their house 1x per week
    –
    I remember right after I had my first kid, I ventured out for my first post c-section walk and a friend of mine stopped to chat, at that time her kids were in grades 4 and 6. She said ‘ohhhh enjoy them now while it’s still so easy’. At the time I thought she obviously had a crack problem and nothing could be harder than the sleep deprived newborn stage and surely it gets WAY easier as they get older. I get what she means now. I’m busier and more tired now than I ever was when they were babies and my house gets neglected way more now than ever simply because we’re busy doing stuff.

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  499. Samantha@IW says

    October 4, 2011 at 5:28 am

    i’m so over the back and forth with tc and whoever. i know it’s only my opinion but engaging with her takes away from this blog instead of enhancing it. it seems to take over every post made.

    Kimmie, thats good advice for anyone that doesn’t want to engage with any other commenter. We don’t allow trolling/over the top attack comments, but opposing views are welcome here.

    I’ve seen many comments in the past weeks referring to how the back and forth with TC takes away from the site- if other commenters truly believe that they have the option of not responding.

    And don’t forget we have a lot of interesting topics outside of the Gosselins- you may just find common ground 🙂

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  500. CJWhodunit says

    October 4, 2011 at 7:40 am

    Bwahahaha! tc:’How did that feel trying to change all those minds over at People.com? How did that work out for you?”

    Silly person. Can’t tell the difference between playing with crazy folks and “trying to change all those minds”? LOL. I can’t change their/your minds when it is so entrenched in hatred for ANYONE who says anything positive about Kate. 🙂 You can rest your mind that I lost zero sleep over not being successful on People.com, LOL. 😉

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  501. CJWhodunit says

    October 4, 2011 at 7:42 am

    TC, still waiting for your simple yes or no answer. Do YOU condone (no spinning, twisting) the actions on the RAWten blog you are an active member of? Just a simple yes or no will do. Thanks. 🙂

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  502. CJWhodunit says

    October 4, 2011 at 7:50 am

    Marnie, I so agree with #499! 🙂 For 18 months after my twins were born, we hired some people to help out a couple times a week with cleaning the house, etc. I was STILL terribly busy with my twins despite that help. I cried when we let them go when the kids were older, LOL, because I hadn’t realized how much easier they made my life. Here too my kids are the age where it’s “Mom, come play Thomas with me!” and we go build a big elaborate train track and station…or “Mom, you wanna play baby animals with me and have a tea party with them?” and Sarah and I are sitting at her little table talking in baby voices and giving Littlest Pet Shop animals pretend cookies, LOL. Life will always have dirty laundry and dishes waiting for us, but those moments with my children are precious and I wouldn’t trade ANYTHING on the planet for that. I honestly believe Kate feels the same way! And despite haters’ assertions to the contrary, Kate has publcly mentioned many times how grateful she was and is for all the help she got in the past and even now when they stab her in the back like Ashley and Jamie did. Aside: my tweenie wanted to read “Multiple Blessings” after I told her in a conspirational voice, “You know, Kate talks a LOT about Jon in this book!” She read the book in a day and a half, and came back puzzled, “Mom, Kate DOES talk about Jon a lot, but it’s all nice stuff! I thought the haters said she’s mean to him all the time?’ The truth is out there! 😉

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  503. Marnie says

    October 4, 2011 at 7:58 am

    anything about tweeting.
    TCparra:
    October 3rd, 2011 at 10:03 pm
    CJ, you want my opinion then you mock my take on death threats vs. wishes?
    There is a difference and if you can’t see it, then you are blind————— but you do know that whether or not it’s a threat or wish, the person being referred to is a primary caregiver to 8 minor children right? Why would you justify or excuse either?
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    I have no idea why your picture is there. I saw it, I saw the snark on it and based on your mocking of my opinion, I really don’t care why they have it up on their blog.——– either it wrong or not. Justifying any bad behavior is just silly. Victim blaming is disgusting.

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  504. TCparra says

    October 4, 2011 at 8:05 am

    CJ, I answered your question. I said I don’t know why the picture was up there… but I didnt care why either. I don’t condone threatening death on someone, wishing death isn’t nice either but it’s not the same as threatening.

    I didn’t see any comments threatening you. I didnt see any wishing death on you. So what is your point?

    So because I don’t love kate, you say I have hate for Kate? Sorry, that wont work either. I have my opinions and if you can’t handle them, then maybe you should stick to People.com or somewhere that doesn’t upset you.

    How sweet, you read Kates book. Now you are closer to her, good for you. How did Jamie and Ashley stab Kate in the back? Because they spoke their mind in the last few shows? Because they didn’t let themselves be run over by a rude and demanding host who had to Mastermind everything? Or was it that they were to Mediocre for Kate and didn’t know how to provide Kate what she demanded and when she demanded it?

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  505. TCparra says

    October 4, 2011 at 8:08 am

    #504 – You don’t have a clue what you are talking about.

    I didn’t say that behavior was OK. I didnt justify anything.

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  506. CJWhodunit says

    October 4, 2011 at 10:09 am

    tc, still avoiding the answer to the question *I* asked, which was not about hateful death wishing/threats. Why don’t you go back to your RAWten blog and play with your little haters there, instead of here at this nice one where you are spinning like a whirling dervish? Spin, spin, twist, twist, condoning hate, condoning death threats–you aren’t fun to play with anymore, think I’ll go back to the big guns, like Cindy…well, I’ll keep that to myself. 🙂 You have a nice life though, “tc”. I hope all your anger issues work their way out in a positive manner for you!.

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  507. Anya@IW says

    October 4, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Anyone read Kate’s new blog entry – Another Day in Mommy Paradise? I liked it. Very real. I think moms will relate…

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  508. TCparra says

    October 4, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Spinning? AGAIN you have no idea what you are talking about.

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    CJWhodunit
    October 3, 2011 at 9:32 pm
    tcparra, a question. Do you condone the sockperson Lisa Knight stealing a picture of me and hate speech/’targeting’ me and my 3 minor children on the RAWten blog?
    ——————————–
    I answered your question. I said I saw the picture. Did they “steal it” if you have it posted on the web? What they decide to post on THEIR blog is THEIR business. I also said I didn’t care why. I didn’t see any hate twds your children. Hate “speech” twds you? well, are you innocent of doing any name calling? I don’t know enough about your tweets and comments or theirs for that matter, so maybe you should email lisa and ask her why she feels the need to do that.

    Quite Honestly, if you are going to be all over the place protecting Kate and her 8, passionately commenting to anyone who says unkind or less than perfect things about Kate, comparing yourself to Kate at times, whatever, you are going to hear or see things you don’t like. Just as I read things about me. People here don’t like my comments and some run to other blogs and spout so they feel better. Rather than stay here and have sane, logical conversations, my words are twisted and I am accused of ridiculous things like being in love with jon to wanting ellen out of his life so I can have him, etc. I don’t care though. In the end, I’m not spinning my wheels being a punk on the web.

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  509. Kmom2 says

    October 4, 2011 at 10:55 am

    I read it, Anya! I liked it too. When my kids were little I swore they thought “Hurry up” meant “SLLLOOOOWWWW DOOWWWNNN”…….lol lol

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  510. GeeWhiz says

    October 4, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Anya – I also liked the article. It brought back memories of long ago mornings with my two kids.

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  511. GeeWhiz says

    October 4, 2011 at 11:22 am

    What they decide to post on THEIR blog is THEIR business. ~ tcparra
    .
    That should also apply to the Kate fan/support blogs yet you run to your hate blog to bash and mock certain posters and blog owners.

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  512. snickers says

    October 4, 2011 at 11:32 am

    GeeWhiz.

    She is allowed to post her bash and mock here, but then complains here about what people are saying about her elsewhere. Wow, just wow!

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  513. Marnie says

    October 4, 2011 at 11:38 am

    TCparra says:
    October 4, 2011 at 8:08 am
    #504 – You don’t have a clue what you are talking about.

    I didn’t say that behavior was OK. I didnt justify anything.
    ——————————
    The fact that you NEED it to be referred to as a death wish not threat is a justification for it. It’s wrong whether it’s a threat or wish, but you’re more worried about defining what it’s called? That’s ridiculous.
    –
    The fact that people feel the need to wish a women dead simply because they don’t like her or the fact that she and her family are on tv is the biggest piece of stupidity I’ve ever seen. Complaining, wishing death, threatening death about something that they CHOOSE to seek out instead of ignore and make a non issue is the very definition of stupid and anyone defending that is stupid.

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  514. TCparra says

    October 4, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Wishing, threatening, following, whatever is OBSESSIVE & stupid. I am not defending any of it. You were the reading challenged I was referring to. I am not saying it’s ok, it’s just not ILLEGAL to say one vs. the other. They are both ridiculous and immature. So, get it OK? I AM NOT SAYING IT’S OK.

    Like I said, I don’t care what people say about me at other blogs. I said it was coward that they are afraid to comment here. I freely admit I bash and mock certain blog owners and those who have multiple personalities. I stay here to debate when someone doesn’t like my comments. I don’t run to other blogs and cry that I can’t say what I want. Wow, just wow!

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  515. TCparra says

    October 4, 2011 at 11:53 am

    Marnie, I don’t NEED anything. There is a difference is all I was TRYING to point out. They are both hateful and immature and coming from someone who is not thinking clearly.

    Believe what you want, I never said it was OK, got it? So, no need to keep copying my comment and then calling me stupid because you can comprehend what I am saying.

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  516. TCparra says

    October 4, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    …can’t comprehend what I am saying.

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  517. HB says

    October 4, 2011 at 3:41 pm

    A Few of My Favorite Things – Pet Edition….maybe a ‘pooper scooper’ could be useful here.

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  518. The Big Red Spoon says

    October 4, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    Don’t make me stop this car and come back there.

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