By Anya
Perez Hilton is reporting that Jon Gosselin issued a public statement via Twitter today.
Jon writes:
“As you may or may not be aware, I have been working for some time to remove my children from television. I do not believe being on TV is beneficial to any of them. They are no longer toddlers that are oblivious to what is going on around them. They are now six and ten, in school and desperately in need of a normal life.
Each of them has experienced negative effects of having their lives so public. Some are struggling with emotional and/or behavioral issues. My goal for my children is for them to have a normal childhood, and gain back their much deserved privacy. This is not about money, this is about my children. No amount of money is worth the price my children are paying. You cannot put a price on childhood. Money comes and goes, but you only have one childhood.
For those questions about money and support, I can say I am supporting my children to the best of my ability. All parties involved know the truth about this. I am and have been actively seeking employment. I have been barred from accepting entertainment deals that would generate income for my family due to contractual obligations. I am also actively looking for a job outside of the entertainment industry and so far, have not secured a position. In the mean time, I have been focusing on spending time with my children and providing a safe, stable, normal and private environment for them!
On October 13, 2010, I went to court to act in the best interest of my children- to remove them from television. The judge respectfully denied my plea, and granted filming rights to their mother. I honor the judge’s decision, but I do not support it. I will not stop fighting to remove my children from television. It is not a child’s job to support themselves, or a lifestyle, they need to be kids. I would like to apologize to my friends, family, and especially my children for not taking a stand earlier in my life and not questioning my decisions to have our lives documented and displayed. I will have to answer to my children for the rest of my life. I will have to live with this guilt the rest of my life. I am truly sorry!”
Thoughts? Has Jon’s statement changed your mind in any way?
I am sure these cases are closed to the public as they should be, but I am wondering what the reason was behind the ruling. Not agreeing or disagreeing with it but would love to know the judge’s thoughts.
I am sure that the judge looked at what was in the best interest of the kids.
As for Jon’s statement swaying my opinion, no. The very fact that he went public with this indicates that Jon has not changed. It is cruel for him to make his case in the “court of public opinion” by indicating that his children are suffering from emotional/behavioral problems. Why does the public need to know that, if it is even true?
What kind of contract or deal did Jon work out with TLC that he is still barred from accepting entertainment deals? And what kind of work is he looking for outside of entertainment?
Paige,
I always love to read your responses. 🙂
Jon’s the one who tweets every time he has the kids. Do we need to know his visitation schedule and what kind of junk food he feeds the kid? He needs to grown up and take some responsibility… Something he does not seem to be doing on Twitter…
I’m more than sure that the kids have behavior issues when they are with Jon–they never see their Dad without the paps mysteriously appearing, and all the other crap that goes on with him and Ellen! One day Jon Gosselin will answer to a higher court, and there wont be any twisting or spinning at that appearance….
Paige completely agree.
Love how he contradicts himself by saying that they need to live a life outside the public eye, but then goes on to talk about their private life. This just proves that this is the same ole Jon that hasn’t changed a bit.
Money must be tight right now so he’s grasping at straws of how to get attention on himself. He is such a piece of work.
When I read it on his twitter I just about spit water out my nose.
I guess I have more questions than conclusions at this point. I too would like to know the judge’s legal reasoning in this case.
The other case that comes to mind was the Charlie Sheen/Denise Richards filming case where the judge also ruled for the parent that wanted to film. I assume both Denise and Kate have primary custodial custody which may play into the decision. That’s if this took place in family court. I supppose it’s possible the judge was only tasked with reviewing the contract Jon signed with TLC?
The statement is very well written. I don’t doubt that Jon is looking for work. I expect he will have a lot of difficulty – lousy economy, out of the workforce for a number of years, etc. For the kid’s sake, I hope he lands something.
I wish Jon and Kate could find a compromise in all this. I also think TLC should just release him from the non-compete part of this contract. I don’t see the reason for it anymore, but maybe there is an aspect I am not considering.
I’d like to see Jon set a better example as a man and father. I hope he does better. Did his tweet change my mind about him? Words mean nothing to me when actions stay the same. I’d have to feel he told the truth at least twice in a row before I could start to change my opinion.
Wonder what the court knows that we don’t?
My comment disappeared so if this shows up twice I’m sorry. ( I always have more to say second time around anyway )
Jons past behavior makes me question his motives always now. Words mean nothing to me when life style and actions remain unchanged. I sure would like to see him be a better man and set a better example especially for his young sons. I’d like to SEE that before I ever heard another word from him too. I feel like he leaves all the hard work to Kate while he makes all the grand announcements. I’d like to know if he talked with his children this time? Last time he ripped it from them at a time when their world was already being turned upside down. Entertainment options had to be approved last I heard, just like Kates do, not all are automatically ruled out. Its part of a contract he’s being paid under. He signed it. This smells like round 2 in negotiating tactics to me. Wonder what the court knows that Jon didn’t mention.
Prove me wrong Jon ! Do it for your children. I’d love to see it and I’d cheer you on!
Strange we never heard his touting until he was denied. I think it goes down to who has primary custody and the fact that Jon signed off on and receives payment for the children being filmed for some time now.
I don’t believe anything he says now, or ever. Actions speak louder than words and this PUBLIC statement shows Jon is still activly trying to play his and his childrens life in the public. If he feels so strongly about them not being in the public… keep quiet before, during and after anything that has to do with the kids.
Anya..
I wonder why TLC has not released Jon from all of the contract?
If Jon is employed it’s sure to be a win, win for everyone.
I’m not sure how I feel about this latest development, if Jon really does believe that filming is harming his kids & wants it to stop..for their sakes & is being honest I would respect that.
The fact that he twittered it & has been lobbying some of the known hate sites makes me question the purity of his motives:(
I’d love to see Jon do better and be better for his children. Words mean nothing to me when life style and actions remain unchanged. I’d like to see him Do before he speaks again. I feel like he leaves all the hard work and responsibilities to Kate while he makes grand announcements. Did he discuss this move with his children this time around? Last time he ripped it from them with no word from him or warning or consideration for the fact that their little worlds were already turned upside down. It turned out to be only his “leverage” for his personal gain last time. Smells the same to me now also.
Are all avenues of entertainment employment banned to him or is he like Kate having to have non TLC endeavors approved? I guess he ruined his reputation as someone who could honor a contract though .
I’d love to know what the judge knows that Jon didn’t mention.
If he makes me tired I can only imagine what Kate feels like after dealing with him.
I think there are very good points in these comments and agree 100% with Momsby. I do like the part where he accepts responsibility- it’s just so refreshing to read!
So Jon is still under contract to TLC? Wonder if TLC will have a response?
Psst! Jon…about the kids having emotional problems…TMI.
It is cruel for him to make his case in the “court of public opinion” by indicating that his children are suffering from emotional/behavioral problems. Why does the public need to know that, if it is even true?
Did y’all see Kate’s lawyer made a statement to ROL?
The lawyer’s statement, regarding the “privacy” of the family? The family that’s had a reality show about their life airing weekly over the last four years? I know that many of you will disagree, but I’m sorry, it seems redundant and a little like shutting the barn door after the horse is out, to talk about privacy at this point.
I can easily agree that Jon’s motives are to be scrutinized, because they are seldom anything but selfish. What would his motives be at this juncture, though? If he is still under contract to TLC, TLC must still be paying him. Pulling the kids OFF TV would end that, I would think – as in end the paycheck. Shutting up and doing nothing would give him a check to cash. So I don’t get it.
There is likely more to this than what WE see, read, hear.
I just read that patty. Sure hope the judge puts him in his place this time.
It truly is sad for those kids that their father is such a piece of work. I sure hope he realizes that his kids would not be in the media right now if it weren’t for him. I wasn’t even aware that there was anything going on with them in court.
He truly needs to grow up and man up. He needs to become the man/father that those children need. He is the one that is always exploiting them and trying to make a buck off of them.
Ann you are so right, TMI!
I wonder why Jon seems to seek validation as a parent from his tweeps?
Whoops I’ll have to come back later to finish this discussion…I’ve just burnt my ham dinner…can hardly see through the smoke..YIKES.
Breakfast for dinner it is!(thank goodness not everyday is this busy on the blogs)
Looking forward to reading the posts here later!
There is likely more to this than what WE see, read, hear.– xx
I agree with the statement above. Something doesn’t make sense-
it was in the old contract that Jon could get the kids off TV if he disapproved. He did just that. I guess when they divorced, that contract had to be renegotiated. The kids appeared in limited specials, so he signed something for K+8. He wasn’t trashing TLC and hasn’t appeared in any blockbuster films during that time. That indicates to me that he signed a contract to let the kids be filmed in the specials. When he talked to the Rabbi, he said he was ‘working on’ getting them off TV, but he qualified that with something about it being in his best interest, as their father, too. I assumed he was renegotiating the next contract. If he won’t sign another contract, will he be paid? Can he be barred from accepting a job in a Superbowl ads? What kind of judge even decides these things?
I love breakfast for dinner. (see momsby # 17)
It’s triple payday here. Three of us get checks! Whoo-hoo- that can only mean Chinese takeout!
From Mark Momijan’s statement to ROL:
“The court was very clear in its orders to maintain privacy for this couple and their children and the issues they are dealing with.”
xx, is this the privacy statement you referred to? This part of their lives hasn’t been shared on the show.
Just because some of their lives- more than yours or mine- was for public consumption, doesn’t mean it all is. I thought the Gosselins shared too much in some of their shows. I was happy they started to travel more on the show, and keep their daily activities private- never sharing the kids’ school days or after school activities. I don’t ascribe to the idea that they put too much information out early on, so it’s all fair game. That would be the equivalent of my boss expecting me to stay late everyday because I did it today.
I also love breakfast for dinner! We did that this week.
Jon Jon, when is he ever going to learn to keep his mouth shut? Violating a court order? Yep, that’ll put you in the good graces of the court. At this point, I think the only detriment to filming the children is the public fighting about it. The FCAs use them for their cause. They keep a negative focus on the family by saying the children are ruined and how evil Kate is. They have lost all sense of reality in how they speak of her. The new show is not that personal, the divorce is over. The children are protected and receive income since they have work permits, they are not filmed that much. Jon’s motives are always suspect to me. It’s too clear that sometimes his target is Kate, such as filing for custody when she was on DWTS. He pulls some low-down dirty tricks.
I also doubt his claims that TLC is keeping him from work. He did an appearance at a bar and the only stir it made was when he accidentally blocked the promoter from his twitter. So what kind of “work” are they stopping him doing. TLC stopped both him and Kate from hotel appearances. I doubt they want him poolside in Vegas.
Enjoy the Chinese Ann.
How can they stop him from anything if he is no longer under contract?
Where is ErinKate??? PeggyP??? Is there a lawyer in the house?
What sort of penalty might be imposed by a court if the tweet was aviolation of a court order as claimed?
Ann, Kate’s mom said that negotiations had started with TLC in re. to Jon’s behavior.
I don’t think Momjiam is Kate’s TLC lawyer, he is her ‘divorce lawyer’…right? He also said in his statement to Radar that this was in re. to ‘underlying custody proceedings’. HUGE DIFFERENCE if this was Jon’s idea of drawing attention to family court in re. to the TLC contract – I believe the custody/review of child support was scheduled for next month.
I think its very clear what Jons motivation was. Take Kate to court to force his permission in filming, thereby being able to hold TLC hostage again for more money and a new contract that includes Jons paycheck. We have been speculating about this exact thing happening for weeks, as its common knowledge when the work permits run out in October. Jon lost the bid in court, so now he turns to the public to try the same thing he already tried before, except this time no one cares… did he never hear the story of the Little Boy Who Cried Wolf?
I really sensed sincerity in Jon’s Tweet. I know I have made mistakes in my life that I regretted and tried to make amends later. Isn’t it possible that he is doing the same? I don’t understand why Kate can go on talk shows and say whatever she feels about the children but when Jon does he is a monster. Did her appearance on Regis and Kelly benefit the kids? I am not trying to bash Kate. All I’m saying is can’t we give Jon the benefit of the doubt for once that he really does have his kids best interests at heart without judging him or thinking he’s just doing it for the money? I really got the feeling before the seperation that Jon was a great father and down to earth person. Yes, he went wild and did some stupid things after they seperated (so did I) but I think the old Jon is back. I really do. Can’t he say how he feels without being judged? We allow Kate that luxury but not Jon.
I think people would listen more to Jon saying he has changed, when he actually shows he is changing. Speaking out on a court case NO ONE knew was happening because he lost is not OK. Its even more NOT OK to do it when there is a court order saying he can not. I think Kate could have left some information out of the Regis interview, but I also think she had been provoked to do so by other actions and antics Jon threw at her. I am sure Kate is the first one out there that wishes the so called old Jon would come back.
Tanny, why do you think it was ok for Jon to take off for a whole year, drinling, smoking, plane tickets, fancy hotels, travel, ski trips, 4-5 women, and Kate did not say a word. It’s time Jon is put in his place, walk away, get a job( any job), and there are jobs out there. It may not be in IT, but I know people who wore suits everyday to work, putting on jeans and pounding nails. Honest work!!!
Don’t kid yourself, this is all about Jon!! The judge told him to get his behind to work, and now he is still blaming Kate for his lack of ambition. TLC should never give him another penny, as I feel he blackmailed them last time. I hope the judge throws his behind in jail for contempt of a court order. He has had many chances to do good, and he is still sitting on a couch living off a women. What do you think his kids felt like seeing him all over the TV having a great time with all the women, spending freely.
I have known people to be admitted to mental institutions after a breakup and people that never went to bars suddenly start going to bars. Everyone handles divorce in different ways. I’m not saying he was right to do what he did back then, I am only saying it is very possible he regrets it now. Jon was also exposed to a lot of “new” money. A lot of people who suddenly come into a lot of money they never had before go crazy with it. kate spends her share of money of luxuries too. I am not saying again this is right but it does happen to otherwise good people. I am also not saying Jon is the most ambitious man in the world but that doesn’t make him a bad father. Maybe he really does have the kids best interest at heart.
I don’t think Tanny was supporting the drinking, smoking, running around, Ed-Hardy-wearing version of Jon. I think she was supporting the “old Jon,” the one many of us (including Kate!) actually liked.
I want to believe the best about Jon, but I agree with snickers that actions will speak louder than words.
I applaud Jon’s having a local apartment and regular visitation. He could do better- like a three/four bedroom home and a regular job- but he has definitely improved.
Yet, I sense that he is still making life tough for Kate. Commenting when there is a court order not to comment is the latest example. What’s wrong with handling this privately? Kate is.
Ooops, sorry snickers and Lindsay- I mixed up your comments!
Thanks Ann! That’s exactly whay I was trying to say. I wish too Jon would get a job and a bigger place for the kids. I don’t think Jon has ever been very ambitious even when they were married. Kate is definitely the aggressive one when it comes to earning a living. It’s the same way in my relationship. I do think just like it would be for Kate, it would be hard for him to find a job after all the notoriety and paparazzi following him. Someone on here just recently mentioned how hard it would be for her to go back to nursing because of the paparazzi. It’s going to be very hard for either of them to return to a normal life after all of this. I really do hope Jon is back to being the good, attentive father he was before the seperation. For the kids sake I really want to give him the benefit of the doubt. As far as Kate handling this privately, with all due respect, she won the case. Would she have been so quiet if it were the other way around? I don’t know but I’m not so sure. Anyway you look at it he could be in big trouble for contempt of court for Tweeting the letter. I kind of hope not though. It would make it all the worse for the kids.
This statement is very well written. Aside from it allegedly coming from Jon’s heart & best interest for his kids, I do agree w/certain aspects. I’m sure it is getting somewhat annoying/difficult for the kids as they are aging to be on a reality show. Bullying is a HUGE issue & I’m sure it’s possible that they have/will have to deal w/it at some point. However, the set up of the current Kate+8 doesn’t seem so bad. There aren’t new episodes every week & so far it’s been about little trips they’ve taken. All of the kids seem happy during their little interviews.
I’ve said it before & will continue to say that I think it’d be great if the kids could live their lives off of the television screen. I’m sure at some point this show will run its course. I’m not a “pro-Kate” or “anti-Kate” person (and feel the same about Jon) but I will always wish her success so that she can provide a stable home for her children. I too would like to know the reasons behind the judges ruling.
I think Jon tweeted because he has no other avenue to try to hurt Kate. He lost the court case. I would imagine TLC made a deal w/ Jon that says he won’t be filmed but he’ll be paid and he can’t do any other deals. Remember when he went buck wild and TLC sued him… Perhaps part of their settlement was that he can’t take any other jobs w/ other networks? I would also imagine that a portion of his income from TLC (if he’s being paid) is going directly to child support.
It is cruel for him to make his case in the “court of public opinion” by indicating that his children are suffering from emotional/behavioral problems. Why does the public need to know that, if it is even true?
October 15, 2010 at 1:31 pm
pattypie says
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Well he’s trying to make Kate look like the bad guy. Kate wants to film, filming hurts the kids, he tried to stop it, she won, she’s the bad guy.
Can’t he say how he feels without being judged?
Not when he violates a court order to say how he feels. And not when he talks about his children having emotional and behavioral issues.
I agree w/ Lindsay above (post 29). No one knew this court case was even happening. Now look at the drama it has caused. How is that helpful?
If Jon thinks that filming is causing their behavioral issues (if they even exist) then he really needs to do a little soul searching and come to terms with what he’s done to those children when he left them for NYC at the start of the divorce.
Sorry for the posting spree… 😉
Can’t he say how he feels without being judged?
Sure he can… To his mother, his lawyer, his rabbi, his girlfriend, etc… but not on Twitter to the public per a court order.
Paige says…Not when he violates a court order to say how he feels. And not when he talks about his children having emotional and behavioral issues.
I agree with the contempt of court thing. If he was ordered to keep his mouth shut he should have but how is talking about the children not coping and having issues any different than the interview on Regis and Kelly?
I’m not trying to be difficult, just playing devil’s advocate. Last night I was being preached to and told not to throw stones or judge unless I have walked in other’s shoes but that only seems to go for Kate, not Jon. As Bible quotes flow and Christians pray here shouldn’t it be for all involved not just a select few?
We have heard this stuff from Jon before is the thing. He was saying the same stuff last year when he was trying to get a new contract with TLC. I can’t help but wonder if he is trying to use his kids for leverage again.
I don’t think Jon should say anything to anyone except a man of the cloth. Even telling your Mother gf, or friend, still defies the cout order. I had a family situation with a lawyer as a go between, and all parties had to accept that nothing would be told to the public. This is why they call it a court of law, all parties agree.
Frankly I don’t think the “old” Jon actually existed. I think he was playing a roll for the camera.
Jon has turned this drama to include Ellen who is posting on a hate blog. Ellen will find out you can’t blog or tweet about Jon’s issues and putting her 2 cents into this situation. This issue is between Kate and Jon, not Ellen. Jon has put all of them in a very bad position, and now Ellen will find out why Jon has never followed rules well.
I hope Kate takes the kids away for the weekend, someplace away from the TV’s and computers and ugly gossip in their town. It was Jon who has damaged his kids again, going public on a private issue.
Pattypie, I am also suspicious.
Mojito-post away! You make great points!
Tanny said, “If he was ordered to keep his mouth shut he should have but how is talking about the children not coping and having issues any different than the interview on Regis and Kelly?
I think it is different because Kate made it seem like the normal adjustment kids go through after a divorce- trying to “feel” at home at “Dad’s place.” Jon said they have emotional and behavioral problems. As someone who works with kids who deal with the aftermath of divorce, and also with kids with emotional and behavioral problems, I see a difference. Maybe Jon doesn’t, but he should have been careful. If there aren’t emotional/behavioral problems, he shouldn’t use that phrase. If there are emotional/behavioral problems, he should respect the privacy of his kids, as he claims, and not share it.
I didn’t think all of Kate’s Regis/Kelly interview was wise and said so. (I didn’tthink it was as bad as most of her regular crtics, either.) Since I did judge Kate then, I invoke my right to judge Jon, too, lol. (just kidding.)
Interesting that just a year ago, on Oct. 13th, Jon was ordered to pay back the money he’d taken from the household account. I wonder if this could be the very same judge. It’s also telling that Kate’s lawyer referred to ‘the underlying custody proceedings’…?
Now it’s being said that Jon has reached out to Paul Peterson for help. Do you suppose Gloria Allred is next? If any of that is true, Jon’s daddy card will go up in flames. I agree pattypie…I fear only Kate could say ‘the old Jon’. (Can’t think of many a divorced spouse that didn’t think there once was this perfect man they’d married.) ;0(
Tanny, I am one who think both Jon and Kate should keep their bickering quiet. It’s bad for the kids when the parents fight their battles in the public eye which is probably why there was a court order for them to keep quiet. I didn’t give Kate a pass when she spoke on Regis and I was not alone. I didn’t think she bashed Jon, but I thought she shouldn’t have said it and that she should know her words would be pounced and twisted by the tabloids.
Jon has a long way to go before I give him the benefit of the doubt. His interview w/the Rabbi was shameful in his digs at Kate. His focus seems to be on his own wants and playing games to get at Kate. His children need much more than that. I also doubt the validity of what he’s saying. Jon’s made his motives suspect over and over. He’s been very transparent in the past. “Fool me once” and all that.
So is Ellen tweeting about this now? What a pain of a new GF she must be for Kate. The girl just does not know her place. Ellen should have no part in this other than her support of Jon. They’re not her children.
Ann@IW says……Since I did judge Kate then, I invoke my right to judge Jon, too, lol. (just kidding.)
LOL! Touche’
Seriously though, I came here as a person who did not like Kate much at all but opened my mind to all of your posts and began to understand her more. I loved this blog because you were all so kind and thoughtful in the way you expressed your opinion. There aren’t many Gosselin blogs out there that do it in the way you do. I just want people to now open their minds and hearts to Jon and to try and maybe understand where he is coming from. I don’t agree with the person who said there is no “old Jon” he was only playing a role. I really think Jon is a good, honest person who was brought up right by two loving and caring people. He’s just not very discreet and is sometimes too spontaneous with his reactions.
I’m done now. You all know my opinion and I appreciate so much not being bashed for it. I appreciate the kindness the people in here show especially the moderators. Thank you!
Thanks for joining the discussion Tanny. We appreciate your contributions, and your comments have given me something to think about today.
I think we can agree this tweet is at least one of Jon’s better-written statements! 😉
Lily, ITA about Ellen and her girlfriend status. I think she loves the attention. I expect some disagree with that, but it’s the conclusion I draw. JMO.
I just hope that Jon moves forward and starts to make his time with the kids more comfortable. He HAS to get a bigger place, and make this divorce stop replaying over and over. Why are there still custody court dates, why haven’t these two been ordered to take parenting classes TOGETHER!
I can tell you as a single mom, with custody issues of my own, and a father that went buck wild and forgot he had a child for a while, I tried and suggested family counseling… of course I was turned down!
Tanny, although we have been on different sides, there is nothing I would love to see than wanting Jon to grow up and get a real job. For a Father to keep speaking out about getting his children off Tv, he put them right back in the news again. He is being very unfair to his own children.
I wish he would go public how he plans to support his children until they are all through college. If Kate takes a regular job, I can tell you she will be entitled to go on every welfare program this country has to offer. Jon is dragging his own children down to the poverty level by his own statements. While I have no issue in helping the needy, J/k could give these children a chance to have a great education, and experiences most families would also like to have.
He is not seeking employment or he would have a jon by now. He stated he was to famous to work a regular job. Not all Tv stars have a lifetime of achievements, they have an exit plan in place.
Thanks for sharing your thought. We all hope and pray for Kate and her children, and Kates Mother also.
Tanny..I agree with much of what you are saying. Neither of these parents should be commenting but I also agree with Ann @#46. I’m crossing my fingers(but not holding my breathe) & really hope that I can come back here & let you say “I told you so”:)
Now, I’ve got a few people who take nasty jabs at their exes..as facebook friends. I wish I knew them well enough to tell them to snap out of it, for their kids sakes!!
Ellen is tweeting and has issued a statement for people to write and complain to TLC,placement products, etc, for the show to go off the air. She said the contract was good for another year. She also has contacted Paul Peterson and he said there would be news on the Gosselin clan in a few days.
Ellen has no right to be posting about these children. Who is finally go to stand up and say enough!!! Ellen has become the new advisor in the G’s parenting agreements. She has no rights to be hooking up with BL or Gwops who make money off the children.
Sorry for my vent, but I find this very disturbing.
snickers it is disturbing, they really don’t seem to be going about this the right way!
Tanny says…There aren’t many Gosselin blogs out there that do it in the way you do. I just want people to now open their minds and hearts to Jon and to try and maybe understand where he is coming from.
Tanny, thanks for the kind words. It is really just about impossible I think to have a totally balanced Gosselin site — it stands to reason that most posters would prefer to post on a board where their opinion is at least the majority. And I don’t think there is anything wrong with that. I have HUGE respect for Sue and a few other posters who have consistently –respectfully and intelligently — argued against the prevailing wisdom, LOL. I don’t have the guts to do it, but I think it is awesome.
Yes, this blog slants towards Kate, but I do think most posters are really rooting for Jon. I think this is in contrast to the Kate hate sites, who want to see Kate in the gutter. I’m sorry, but that is the truth.
As for Jon, I’m sure some will disagree, but I am willing to accept that he believes he is doing the right thing for his kids and that his motives are basically pure. I do still believe his motives last year were NOT pure. This year, however, he is back in PA and not hanging out with the Michael Lohan’s of the world. I think his thinking is clearer.
That is not to say I think “Jon is right” and “Kate is wrong” – if only life were not that simple. I think you have two fundamentally decent, yet flawed people who have been thrown into extraordinary circumstances. It is all fine and good for us to imagine what we would have done in similar circumstances, but we have not actually walked in their shoes.
Because I care about the kids, I wish more bloggers could be kinder to both Jon and Kate. I am reminded of a quote that I really really like:
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.– Plato
Important disclosure: I need to work on this with Jodi, Kevin and Julie! LOL.
Excellent post Anya!
I think we all could stand to work on that, Anya.
I think that most of the major players here are acting with a fair amount of sincerity; that doesn’t mean they aren’t wrong. I think Kate thinks she’s doing what’s necessary and correct to give her children the best life she can. I think Jon has convinced himself (or allowed himself to be convinced) that the show is an evil in the children’s lives that needs to be removed. I think Ellen probably really loves the kids (who wouldn’t?) and thinks she is helping the man she loves *and* the kids she cares about.
Kate may or may not be wrong about putting her kids on TV. A lot of people have drawn conclusions about that, but I haven’t. I just don’t know. I do know that I think it’s Kate’s right as a parent to make that decision – I don’t think her choices have been so obviously wrong that anyone has the right to step in and tell her what to do.
I think Jon has made a lot of mistakes in the recent past but I don’t think he’s a bad person. I think he’s weak and easily led, and very changeable (the very opposite of Kate who I think is hard to move once she decides she’s right). I think he should recognize the hypocrisy in tweeting about his kids’ issues while talking about their need for privacy. He has bad judgment. I don’t know how much he’s motivated by wanting to “win” and how much he’s sincerely concerned about his kids. I’m not sure he knows.
I think Ellen really needs to step back. She can support Jon, she can love Jon, she can love and support the kids. But she’s sticking her nose where it doesn’t belong, IMO, in being an advocate for a particular POV on this. I think it’s really a mistake. I don’t believe, as others do, that she’s in it for fame or attention. But I do think she’s wrong.
Tanny,
I hope you will continue to post here. You’re a quiet voice of reason that is often silenced by the zealous Kate fans.
I commend Jon for his attempt to stop the filming. I agree that Ellen needs to step back, a bit, during this time. She is young and probably really upset, so I understand her frustration.
This seems to be a situation where there will be no winners.
You all know that I am no longer a Jon fan at all. He lost my support at all when he sought me out because I wrote here and other places. Albeit small, he did at that point have my support. I would like to believe what he says but then he had to add in the :
In the mean time, I have been focusing on spending time with my children and providing a safe, stable, normal and private environment for them!
Really?? Seriously???
I would believe that if we saw pictures of the kids with Kate ever. I know the paps gets shots when she is filming for obvious reasons and at the bus stop because they sleep in their cars there, but I can’t even count on my hands how many pictures I have seen in the magazines my mom buys (I will not buy them anymore, but yes I still read them. The damage has already been done) of the kids with Jon and Ellen.
I truly believe if they are having issues it’s divorce related and Jon just posted another private piece of information about his kids on the internet that will be there forever. How pleased do you think the kids will be seeing that their dad posted that they have behavioral and emotional problems for the whole world to see?? understand why some people have issues with the kids being on the tv and I truly do. My issue is, the kids know, whether they fully comprehend has been debated to death, but the kids are AWARE they are being filmed on the show and know what information is being put out there. Do you think they are aware what’s being twittered about them? Are they giving permission in whatever form they are capable of? This post on twitter has been copied and pasted on so many sites. It’s totally viral.
Sorry for the long post.
Sorry for the long post.
Wow that posted weird…
It should have read I understand why people have issues with the kids being on tv and it shouldn’t have posted that last part twice! Maybe my computer is as tired as I am. LOL 😉
Where is Jon getting his money to keep dragging Kate to court. This money would be better spent, having a bigger house and yard for the kids to play in.
Us Mag has many comments on Jons twitter comment today.
I hope Ellen knows who she is getting involved with. Is she taking legal advice from the BL. This is a serious issue, this is between Kate and Jon and their children.
I can’t believe Jon would post that his kids are having problems. Wasn’t it a few months back that he said the kids loved filming and Jodi and Kevin were not telling the truth.
His life coach sure has lead him down the wrong path. Where is his family. I think they have given up on Jon, which is sad. He has no one but the person setting next to him, telling him what to do.
Zealot Kate Fans?
I don’t know where you have been reading but there isn’t any zealots here.
Garnet said…This seems to be a situation where there will be no winners.
I guess you did read my post from yesterday. I hope it sunk in.
On the contempt–here contempt (first time) is up to $500 fine and up to 30 days in jail. Disobeying a court order is a crime, plain and simple. I’m surprised the Admin. is basically supporting that.
I cannot stress enough, if you are in a court battle DO NOT take it to the internet. Don’t twitter, don’t facebook, don’t myspace, don’t use the topix boards. Every time a prosecutor calls me and says “Erin, the topix boards. . .” I have a conniption fit. It has been a major problem in one of my counties. The parties literally walk out of court on their smart phones and post everything that was said in closed (juvenile) court hearings. I will unequivocally say that Jon was very, very wrong here. If he is sincere (which I doubt), he had other ways of challenging this than going to twitter. It is this kind of stunt that makes me really dislike Jon, he would be a nightmare client.
Jennie, I agree with everything in your post.
I have said this before, but my opinion is that some of the kids will be fine with little effects from the show, and one or two will blame everthing that went wrong in their life on the show. Isn’t that the way in most large families. There are usually one or two that can’t get their act together, and find something to blame it on. None of us know how living their childhoods on camera are going to affect the Gosselin kids, because we really don’t have precedent. Sure there are child stars, but that is a different genre. This is the first reality family that has been followed since the sextuplets were toddlers. I wish them well and hope they make the best of it.
Hi Snickers, I appreciate that we can debate this in a healthy way. I respect your opinion and can see both sides. You say if Kate goes back to a regular job she will be entitled to go on every welfare program the country has to offer. I would hope after earning millions upon millions of dollars Kate has saved. Am I correct in hearing that the state of Pennsylvania has already offered the children college educations paid for by them? My question is when is enough enough? If Kate was smart and invested wisely she should be pretty much set for life. My ex-husbands parents had 12 children. His mother was SAHM and his father was a union carpenter supervisor. They had a nice clean house, the children were all well fed and dressed, and they drove a brand new Cadillac. After the proceeds from the shows, books, speaking engagements, DWTS, and various other money making ventures I think it’s safe to say the Gosselins are millionaires. IMO continuing to film the children ahs now reached the point of greed not need. Let them have what is left of a carefree, innocent childhood now. Maybe do an annual special to show how the kids are growing. Don’t continue to put them through the cameras in their faces all summer break. Don’t continue to put them through the drama. This is IMHO only. I just see no more need for it unless of course all that money is gone.
Am I correct in hearing that the state of Pennsylvania has already offered the children college educations paid for by them?
Tanny,
I don’t believe this is correct information. Wasn’t that rumor dispelled?
Pam, after I made the comment I researched it better. I found this statement made by Lt. Governor Kroll on May 5, 2005. It was part of a speech he made about the Gosselin children.
“That is why, for my gift to the Gosselin Family on this very special occasion, I am opening accounts for all eight of the Gosselin children through the Tuition Account Program, which I had a hand in creating when I served as Pennsylvania State Treasurer.
Contributions to these accounts will accrue throughout the children’s lives and be available to them once it comes time to attend college.
If you would like to make a contribution to the Gosselin Family’s TAP account, you can do so by making your check payable to “TAP 529,” writing “Gosselin” in the memo portion of the check, and sending your contributions to: Gosselin Sextuplets and Twins Accounts, TAP Bureau, 218 Finance Building, Harrisburg, PA 17120. More information on the Tuition Account Program can be obtained by calling 1-800-440-4000 or by visiting the Treasury website and clicking on Tuition Account Program.”
Wendy, I think you’re right. And, you just never know what road your children will end up taking. Even if you’re a perfect parent (ha!) there’s no guarantee kind of decisions our children make as adults.
If Paul Peterson gets involved in this,he will be contradicting his words. He said that AMC was thrilled when the children were declared working and required permits to do so. When the panel he was on was asked the question “do you want all children off reality tv?”, the answer from all was “no”. They said they wished for stricter rules. It is really past the time for these groups to stop focusing on Gosselins. The kids did not ask to be the poster children for their cause. Per Ellen’s email, the children have a year left on their contract. That’s not so much. Especially considering what they film is much different than how it used to be. The children have been given more privacy as they have gotten older. We know so little about the them anymore.
Erin Kate, BKIA’s not giving Jon as much grief as she did for Kate parking in the fire lane while running in and out of Fedex, but she briefly said it was wrong. One of the things I thought was funny was that she stated a PA judge would have a conflict of interest due to the revenue the show brings in. I was wondering if Jon thinks he has a loophole w/Ellen doing some of the publicizing. I’m guessing not. Surely, Jon has representation? I’m really wondering. I know he has had several attorneys, but some forget the one that actually quit.
Tanny,
Yes, thanks. That is what I remember…. That it was contributions only and not funded through the state.
Pam, TAP is funded thru’ contributions, but what is also not generally known… this fund can be raided for non-college expenses once a yr., just as long as it is not entirely wiped out. This was brought up on a radio program in re. to a divorce situation & legal protection of children’s savings etc. When it comes to talking about the Gosselin finances…it drives me nuts to think that anyone can be judge & jury as to what is *enough* for the future of these 8 children! I have seen families around me who have been devastated by this economy, & one could easily say they are in the ballpark of what one might guess Kate is in…yet not w. children who share the same birthdates! The shelf life of a K+8 is limited, & it would seem that Kate would know better than anyone just what impacts these children in the now. Obviously the judge must have agreed.
I can’t begin to guess what Jon’s motives are to Twitter about what he does from cleaning toilets.. to his unlimited love of Ellen…to what is on his menu…& NOW he elects to break silence against a judge’s orders? Someone is NOT giving this man great advice & I pray the 8 don’t have to endure another media drama led by Gloria Allred!
I don’t think Ellen should post about any of this.
I don’t think Jon should post about any of this.
I don’t think Kate’s Mom should post about any of this.
Haven’t these beautiful kids been through enough???
I do think they need to be off TV for many, many reason, and none of them to spite Kate.
The governor opened accounts for the Gosselin kids in an effort to promote a program he was a part of developing in PA to encourage parents to save for college. Unless he dug into his own pocket, he didn’t fund the accounts.
I don’t think it’s greedy to try and earn as much as you can if you are using the money to raise and educate children for years in the future. I think it would be foolish for Kate, who was once dependent on the generosity of strangers and services provided by the state, to turn down lucrative offers and hope that lean times won’t return, especially if it looks like she has years of court battles ahead of her.
Craftymom, you raised a good point about the difference between the kids on TV vs. being tweeted about. The first the are aware of. The second, who knows? I agree that the show is less harmful.
I have to wonder how much of this is really what Jon thinks and wants for his kids or is he being told that is what he wants by the 23 year old “advice columnist.”
I agree with you Ann. Kate I think is smart enough to know she has a limited time to make money and that time is now.
Kate has stated she has a lot of debt in regards to the divorce. I would guess not only lawyer fees, but she probably had to buy out Jon’s interest in the house and maybe other debts that accured before the divorce.
Are we back into the whole argument of Kate has enough she should sit at home and make old grandma soup and look after her kids?
We don’t know how much or how little money Kate has. And who is anyone to tell anyone they have enough anyway? Last I looked this wasnt a communist country, some people are allowed to have more than others.
Maybe Bill Gate has enough – perhaps he should stay at home and look after his kids? What about Linda Gates, perhaps she should stop doing the charity work she does and stay home and look after the kids. Her kids must have Nannys when she is speakign across the country or they are missing school.
Maybe Warren Buffet has enough and he should have spent less time working and more time getting to know his kids when they were growing up.
What about Angelina Jolie with her money she makes Kate look like a welfare case, yet she still does movies, and spends long hours way from her kids to make even more dollars.
It’s not up to us to tell Kate how much or how little to work unless we are going pay Kate’s bills. And hey if I was a Zealot, maybe I would! 😉
Playing devil’s advocate here… post #44 says maybe there wasn’t ever an “old” Jon- maybe he was playing a role for the camera. Sometimes I wonder if Kate was doing the same thing. It’s always interesting to see a couple like Jon & Kate. How do people so opposite ever come together to function as they did at one time?
On another note;
Jon probably took this whole case to Twitter just so he can say to his children one day that he tried to get them off the T.V. When dealing w/8 siblings it’s unlikely that they will ALL want to continue filming & that’s what Jon is waiting for, it will be a whole new set of drama.
Playing the part of the angelic princess for a moment… 😉 I think Kate is pretty much a tell it like it is kind of person. What you see is what you get. That’s what drives people crazy about her. I think we see the real Kate when ever we see her.
I think Jon reinvents himself to match who he is close to at the moment. Like how he turned into a Ed Hardy wearing party rebel when he was close to Hailey. Now that Jon is close to Ellen he is a stay at home watch reality shows guy who goes out to a bar when he can afford it. I think there isn’t a real Jon….just a dude playing a part. I doubt even he knows who the real Jon is at this point.
but as you know,
I’m just sayin’
I wasn’t saying how much money is enough. I was saying how much more of using the kids to make it is enough. I just feel sorry for those kids with cameras and microphones shoved in front of them. I feel sorry that their most intimate moments have been filmed for millions to see. That’s all. I don’t care if Kate is on camera or what she does or how long she dies it to make money. I just would really like to see them leave the children alone. That is my honest and genuine feeling. I just feel sorry for the kids.
Thanks for clarifying your point, Tanny.
They still show a few things on that show that would be considered “intimate” (vomit) and they should probably edit it out, but I don’t think it’s that big a deal (IMO.) First of all, the “intimate” moments aren’t what I would call “intimate.” Just gross. Other than the vomiting, was there anything else recently, since they no longer film babies but school-aged kids? If I thought the kids really hate the cameras, I would agree, but I just don’t see it. (I also trust that Kate would agree.) They look happy, well-adjusted, cute, friendly with the crew. The kids look like they love the experiences and don’t mind the “cameras in their faces.” I also wonder how much time they are filmed?
Kids work in TV all the time.
I agree that “kids work in TV all the time” however, with this show being “reality” I think it’s a little different than playing a part in a sitcom. It will be interesting to hear the kids opinion/reaction to all of this when they are old enough to see how the Jon&Kate show has impacted their lives.
See I don’t agree with this at all…
I feel sorry that their most intimate moments have been filmed for millions to see.
We saw some innocent pictures of potty training it is pretty hard to have a reality show and not show some potty training of 6 kids…. However…just the other day I was at the grocery story and in the parking lot a Mom was pulling a potty out of her SUV and her little son went to the potty right there in the parking lot. It wasn’t an intimate moment. It was just a fact of life. All of the nonsense about intimate that has been made up at the hater sites have taken on a life of it’s own. People act like we saw a scene where Kate told the kids Daddy had a new girl friend or something when infact it never happened!
Is the crayola factory an inimate moment? What about the pumpkin patch? What about Kate in the kitchen making old grandma soup was that intimate? I could go on and on. A child who pooped all over a crip is not an intimate moment, it’s life with a baby.
Certainly we saw a very small bit about the divorce and Jon and Kate not getting along ( I am thinking of the crooked house show) but that was only address after Aunt Jodi and Kevin sold their story to ROL and there was confirmation the marriage was in serious trouble. It was mostly the haters who demanded hearing and seeing stuff about the marriage was introuble because they thought it was a “lie” to show normal life if the marriage was introuble.
We saw 22 minutes of edited footage that usually involved a special event like going to the crayola factory. We didn’t see intimate moments. There wasn’t cameras on the kids 24/7 — we saw a small part of their lives. We heard and read more in interviews and magazines after Jon started partying late at night and the family became tabloid fodder.
PS – How did IW get my actual picture for my avatar?
The scene that I was thinking of when I wrote intimate was the birthday party right after Kate and Jon split. One of the the girl sextuplets was hugging Jon telling him she didn’t want him to leave anymore. That tore me apart knowing their was a camera in her face when she was saying that to him.
Something tells me that wasn’t the first time, or the last time she or any of the other kids said that to him. They probably still say that to him.
Divorce is hard, and that was a really sad moment. I think it was a very tiny bit of what was going on their lives at that time. At that point I was still hoping they would pull it together some how.
I am not sure if you are aware but one of the big complaints of GWOP and Aunt Jodi on GWOP in the beginning was the show wasn’t “real” enough. They complained about that over and over. What we saw in the clip of one of the children telling Jon she didn’t like him to leave was a small part of the “real” goign on in their loves.
Reality shows are a strange phenomenon. It is easy for us to say that anything filmed for the show is not a big deal. Ultimately, each child will decide what was a big deal and what wasn’t. The show is entertainment. I don’t know how you are supposed to feel about your life being entertainment. If my parents were getting divorced, I don’t know that I would want it to be entertainment. Jon and Kate plus 8 is the only reality show I have watched. It is the only show I’ve read about on the internet. I don’t feel like I know what is going on in Jon or Kate’s minds. I think this is the only thing the kids have ever known. I don’t think their “work” is all that bad. It’s not like they are working in the fields with their parents. But, I can’t predict if they will look back on it and say it was no big deal just because viewers didn’t think it was a big deal.
Conversely you can’t say it was a big deal just because someone one thought it was either.
Reality TV certainly is different, but like regular TV you can turn it off when you don’t like it. No viewers means no show.
Conversely you can’t say it was a big deal just because someone one thought it was either.–pattypie
My point,exactly. The kids will have the final say in how it affected their lives, good or bad.
I’m ambivalent about the reality part of it. It is new and entertaining/oddly intrusive. I sometimes wonder if it has fed the too much information attitude of the world today.
PS – How did IW get my actual picture for my avatar?- pattypie
Why, the all-powerful TLC who monitors this all Gosselin blogs gave it to us!
Tanny, that was a sad scene, wasn’t it?
I am not a fan of those kinds of scenes. I have always preferred the “scripted” stuff that Paul Peterson calls work, like the kids going to Legoland or swimming with the turtles in Hawaii. I am 100% in favor of a “fake Christmas” show so they can get the free toys, then have their own Christmas a week later all to themselves. (Bonus- the crew is home on Christmas morning.) I know that part of the reason they do the show is for money, but another part is for the “freebies” and trips and exciting opportunities. I’d never begrudge them a single freebie.
I really feel most of what Jon is saying is BS. Kids today have grown up with computers, FB, My Space, twitter, etc. There is so much more evil stuff on the net, than these kids are living 22 minutes a week being filmed. I think they will be so much more advanced in life for their ages that most kids.
We see kids killed by guns on the nightly news. Where is the outcry for news programs showing awful stuff like that.
Tanny, I would never say Kate has millions. I’m not her banker, and you must realize that everything she makes is subject to big taxes.
Buying food, clothes, medical, property taxes, utlities, fuel for cars, general upkeep of property,just to name a few things, I would not Kate is really floating in money. They never made a profit on the old house, but I think they were glad it finally sold.
I want you to tell me when you think Jon should get a job, support his children, and get off the coach. He could mow yards, move snow, stock shelves, anything for a paycheck.
snickers took the words right out of my mouth re: taxes and jon getting a job
I want you to tell me when you think Jon should get a job, support his children, and get off the coach. He could mow yards, move snow, stock shelves, anything for a paycheck.
Snickers, I totally agree that Jon needs to get off his butt. I wrote earlier that Jon has never been very ambitious and I have a feeling this was part of the reason they split. Even when the show was fun and there wasn’t the underlying sadness of the divorce Jon always moved in slow gear. He would have much rather been playing with the kids or on the 4-wheeler. I remember Kate always saying all she ever wanted was for him to pitch in and ask what he could do. I do think he was a very hands on Dad though bathing, feeding, and changing the kids diapers. He just didn’t like to work extremely hard. Personally if that were my husband it would drive me crazy too. I doubt he was much different when they met though and maybe it was his carefree, little boy attitude that drew Kate to him in the first place since she is so Type A. Kate is definitely the more mature of the two.
I’m also not sure what the terms of his contract with TLC have been. Has he still been getting paid all this time? Will he be getting residuals? What kind of jobs have them forbid him to do? I do know once a normal person has experienced notoriety and fame it can sometimes be hard to go back to normal. I was just reading about the Chilean miners and the effects the fame may have on them. As an example they talked about the man who rescued Baby Jessica. After all the fame he couldn’t handle going back to his normal life and committed suicide. I actually met one of the Quecreek miners several times after his fame and he thought he was a rock star. It was very disturbing to me how he felt the need to tell every stranger he met who he was. This was months after the rescue. He was cheating on his long term girlfriend and living the good life. Jon acted very similar. He was in the Hamptoms with Michael Lohan, Las Vegas, and the South of France. I can just imagine what those poor, rich people in the Hamptoms were thinking. LOL
I’m not saying Jon has been perfect, actually he has been far from it. I just really want to root for him that he is getting it together and trying to do what’s best for the kids. I don’t think we’re ever going to see Jon chopping down trees for a living or doing much more than a 9-5 desk job. I’m sure him not having a job and a big enough place for the kids to come to was a huge part of the reason the judge gave Kate the power to decided whether the kids can continue to be filmed. Laziness is definitely Jon’s major downfall right now. Kate is so much more disciplined and this is one of her greatest strengths.
My first thought after reading Jon’s statement — Wow every word is spelled correctly and its in complete sentences.
I guess Jon forgot about the time he invited the Paps to the fence then walked his children down there to be photographed.
When his actions begin to back up his words I will give Jon a little credit, until then its all a bunch of BS to me.
I am really looking forward to the day that the Gosselin 8 can speak for themselves & let people know how THEY FELT about all of this. Of course this doesn’t mean that the blogosphere will finally be quiet about Jon/Kate, etc. But I think it will finally be that bit of perspective that we, as viewers, can’t understand.
My first thought after reading Jon’s statement — Wow every word is spelled correctly and its in complete sentences.
I guess Jon forgot about the time he invited the Paps to the fence then walked his children down there to be photographed.
When his actions begin to back up his words I will give Jon a little credit, until then its all a bunch of BS to me.
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Truly, I think Jon’s big “issue” is with TLC, and he’s using the kids, saying he’s “concerned for them,” that he wants them off tv so that HE can be free of HIS contractual obligations. He says in his tweet that he’s been “barred from accepting entertainment deals that would generate income for my family due to contractual obligations.” Apparently this overweight, balding middle aged man with NO experience in the “entertainment field,” who has proven that he is terribly indiscreet and has no sense loyalty or respect for his employer, has offers in the entertainment arena that he is BARRED from accepting! I wonder who in the “entertainment arena” would offer him a job. Yes, who wouldn’t want to employ a man who has shown how unprofessional and petty he can be, when he decides he wants out of his contract? He wants to be free of HIS contractual obligation so that HE can take one of those “deals.” If that time ever comes, I have no doubt that he’ll parade his kids in front of whatever pap will take their photos, once TLC is out of the picture, if it means publicity for HIM.
Is is amazing that Jon has never said what Entertainment company has offered him a job. Until he puts that out to the public and has it verified, I don’t believe a word he is saying.
Jon, get a job being an advocate against the hate blogs that are out there talking about your childrens Mother, and some saying nasty things about your kids. Man up, lets see you do something positive for once instead of sitting on a couch watching Realty TV. Yep, he watches those shows with Ellen, but is against filming his own childre. Jon, you’ve been caught again in your own lies.
Ellen has hooked up with a nasty site, and I hope everyone is aware these people have taken this issue was over the edge. It is not up to us or them, how people can live and make a living.
>>25.How can they stop him from anything if he is no longer under contract?
Where is ErinKate??? PeggyP??? Is there a lawyer in the house?
What sort of penalty might be imposed by a court if the tweet was aviolation of a court order as claimed?
October 15, 2010 at 3:09 pmAnn@IW says: <<
Ann, I'm no expert in this area but there are often restrictive covenants not to compete in contracts for services both with employees and with independent contractors. There are limits on them in terms of reasonability, etc. but it boils down to restricting an ex-employee/independent contractor from going to work for a competitor, setting up a competing business, or otherwise interfering in the original company's business including raiding clients, spilling trade information.
In others, there are restrictions that are not even negotiated; many government employees cannot appear before their former agency for a specified period and can never appear before them in a matter in which they were directly involved when working for the government.
As for Jon, he should take a cold, hard look at what he was offered before TLC got its injunction. The tabloid shows really only seemed to be interested in getting access to the kids or dirt on Kate and, compared to the offers Kate was getting, appearing at casinos, bars, and Wet Republic isn't very impressive. There was a lot of talk about "Divorced Dad's Club" but Michael Lohan's track record on his claims bearing fruit is almost non-existent and Kevin Federline, who Lohan kept claiming would be involved, IIRR vehemently denied any interest in the project. I never saw anything that indicated any serious interest in it by an actual network or cable channel. Also, given its title, does anyone believe the show could have been sold without assurance of appearances by the offspring? In some ways, TLC did Jon a favor; he never really had to confront the cold hard world without TLC available to blame for his failures.
I think it will be poetic justice now that the court has given Kate control over filming (and the one thing Jon has made no mention of is appealing) if TLC cuts Jon loose and pays him nothing more than any residuals or royalties to which he is legally entitled. TLC controls, I assume, reruns so I doubt it has to show them.
Peggy, I don’t think this court date had anything to do with filming?? Maybe is was about Jon getting his cs reduced as if reported right, he got paid $70,000 from TLC last year. I think he is out of money. Jon should be ashamed of himself, but with Ellen doing his dirty work for him he will continue to go down even farther. He seems to use people and when there is backflash from his stunts, the women seem to run fast. Hopefully Ellen will see what is really going on and get out of the G’s lives. She is getting herself into a very nast territory and knows nothing about the court of law. This whole situation will bring a negative outlook on her real job with the gov and she could lose her job. Spending time on twitter duting working hours, is subject to fire her.
From what I understood reading about this past hearing, Kate was given the right to make decisions for the kids in regards to filming.
This hearing is part of the ongoing custody issues and has nothing to do with TLC or if the show Kate Plus 8 is to continue, or Jons contract with TLC.
The rights regarding filming may have been only a part of the hearing or it may have been the whole purpose of it.
Erin Kate…it is no secret that Ellen Ross is working extremely hard thru’ her social networking to whip up the flames in the face of Jon’s defeat in the court’s decision. Am I way off base to think that Kate’s lawyer, Momjian, gave fair warning in re. to Jon’s Twitter…& that his girlfriend can be his Twitter in absentia w/o consequences?
I’m one who enjoys seeing the 8, trusts Kate’s judgment, but I DO NOT believe Jon is worried about his children as much as his own ability to peddle HIS ‘fame’ any way HE sees fit. IT IS ALL ABOUT JON getting out from under TLC’s control. This makes me ill, as does Ellen Ross. I don’t care just how brilliant she thinks she is…I can not believe her efforts, on Jon’s behalf, bode well IF this is the woman who has so much access to the Gosselin children.
According to the BKIA, Ellen has twitted that the contract with the kids (and presumably Jon) runs through February 2012. It must be the renewal Jon signed to get the lawsuit for breach of contract dropped by TLC. So Jon signs the agreement so they don’t sue him less than a year ago. Filming of a total of about 6 weeks total (at most) occurred between May and August. (This involved 4 trips – Florida, North Carolina, NY City, and Alaska, as well as the chicken coop construction and the back to school scenes). The contract signed a few months ago, like the previous one, had a clause that Jon could not compete in the entertainment field without authorization. Jon is obviously unhappy about this thinking that he would have lots of opportunities if not for that clause.
According to what Ellen told BKIA, it seems like they are going public to try to get the show canceled. She claims that kids can only stop filming before February 2012 IF the show is cancelled. (Are they really filming now?) I think the only way Jon can try to get a job in entertainment is if the show is cancelled. If all cared about was the children, he would not have violated the court order by tweeting about the case. He would want good standing in the courts. The tweeting is all about trying to get the show cancelled so Jon can get out of his contract.
At this point, I would like them to call Jon’s bluff. Cancel Kate Plus 8 and get going on Twist of Kate. Stop paying Jon. Let him try to get a job in entertainment and see how well that works out if he is not going to use his kids in some fashion.
BTW, does anyone know if BKIA makes her money off the Gosselin kids merely by hits to her site or does a person have to click on the ads for her to make money. I hate to think I contribute to her making money off the Gosselins.
So basically, Jon breached his contract and signed a contract he presumably did not believe was appropriate because he has blown through so much money he had apparently “no choic.”
I think Kate was lucky in the divorce (and now) to have a good judge. Is it the same judge? A lot of judges could have easily ruled differently regarding the property division than her judge did. I think he made the right decision, but I have seen men leave their families with nothing and the judge really supports what they have done. Absolutely horrible and, in my opinion, happens a lot. People are imperfect and so are judges. Having the legal system on her side will help Kate to minimize all of Jon’s crap.
Years ago, during my parents divorce, the judge said to my mother regarding our child support, “For that kind of money, I’ll marry your ex-husband!” Many times it is not about what is fair and right, it is about the judge’s own personal background and views.
Look at the Mel Gibson case. He beats her up, won’t pay the new court ordered child support, and she is drug through the mud constantly by the media (especially TMZ). Having a good judge makes all the difference. They can’t make an ex-husband or father behave themselves, but they can minimize the blood shed. Such a sad situation.
Do you think Jon regrets starting this mess in the first place? I mean the running around and breaking up his marriage. I have a friend who is a family therapist and she feels that over half of men who cause a divorce in a long-term marriage with children, years later, regret it deeply. Too late for everyone involved, but interesting.
Paige,
I went to the BKIA’s site and looked at her ads. Those ads are ones that you would have to click on for her to make any money off of.
BKIA’s site does make money off the kids also. For her being in the law profession, tells me why she would never have many clients. She still is fueling a fire, totally without merit to advise or say anything about the G’s kids. If people click on the ads without knowing she makes a buck, maybe she should post that on her site. Just saying~~~~~~~~~~~~.
Ellen has no business wanting people to go to her site either. What is a 23 year old doing mouthing off about a very private matter. She will learn a very hard lesson doing this. Kate needs to have the court tell Jon, that Ellen will never be around her kids. They are not married and even if they were, she has no rights over them.
Amen to your words, Holly! Good judge, bad judge…I do believe in the Gosselin case, it’s what lawyer you have, & what client you represent. I’m not convinced that any lawyer could right the wrongs of a Jon Gosselin. It’s not so much Heller saying ‘it’s David vs. Goliath’…you sign a contract & it’s legally binding or it’s not. TLC didn’t fall of the proverbial turnip truck…but those Jon selects to represent him seem to have had that experience. In any case, whether they’ve had the same judge or not, in their divorce proceedings…what has been leaked, they have had mediation & court ordered parenting et al. For Jon to Tweet about his child support is exactly what Kate was criticized for alluding to…he’s not contributing his fair share. He blames this on TLC/Kate. I’ve heard of some tough judges…show me PROOF of contracts you’ve lost. Show me the companies you’ve been interviewed by. It doesn’t cut mustard just to say you’ve been denied a right to work in your chosen field. It is NOT just Kate who is famous for being the mother of 8…what else does Jon have to offer, but being the father of 8 & one unforgivable lack of moral judgment…which to me continues w. Ellen.
From what I understood reading about this past hearing, Kate was given the right to make decisions for the kids in regards to filming.
This hearing is part of the ongoing custody issues and has nothing to do with TLC or if the show Kate Plus 8 is to continue, or Jons contract with TLC.- Sage
Thanks, Sage. So this was part of family court, not another lawsuit, right?
There were contract negotiations going on recently, right? Lily said the work permits expired in October. TLC only negotiated for a few specials. They had to have Jon’s approval at that point, since Jon had stopped the show by invoking his right to do so under the last contract. If TLC has filming rights through next year, then Jon agreed to it.
Why did he agree to it just this year? Was it because he was being sued by TLC? He couldn’t pay the penalty for breaking his contract? He signed off on filming, and accepted a stipend for the kids’ appearances in the specials?
How did he break that contract? By taking “entertainment” jobs that TLC did not approve…for badmouthing Kate and TL, right? Why couldn’t he pay the possible penalty for breaking the contract? Because he had no care of the children while he reclaimed his lost twenties. He was therefore required to pay child support. The rest he spent on “party supplies,” a car, a city place to go with his country place, ugly clothes and shoes, a carriage ride in NYC?
He claims his kids have problems because of filming, but he is the one who permitted it. Sure he regrets it, but not until after he’s collected his paycheck. Without the decision-making power about filming, his negotiating power is significantly reduced to nonexistant.
I wonder if Jon is the one who brought the issue before the judge or if Kate is? Maybe she got tired of requiring her ex-husband to sign contracts that affect her ability to work? I wouldn’t blame her.
I am only guessing here but I think that this custody hearings have been going on. It would explain Jon not being able to access the property. His lifecoach, Lafair, stated on her blog it was the LAW not permitting him, not Kate.
Last April when Jon sued for custody because of Kate being DWTS Jon had a new lawyer, whose name escapes me. They went to court and Jon tweeted that they were in negotiations and every thing was going well. It was then reported that the custody issue had been resolved with a gag order in place that neither could talk about it.
Something else about that twitter that Jon (Ellen) wrote Friday. He is talking about the contract with TLC and when it expires with TLC for the kids. If I remember right Jon is contractually banned from discussing the particulars of the contract in public.
He got into trouble when he did that on LKL right after the separation, when he and Heller appeared.
It’s very interesting that it is being decided as part of their custody, Sage. So TLC has an interest in the outcome, but was not actually in court about this? I wonder what they are saying at TLC this weekend? I wonder if someone asked for a decision from the judge so TLC knows who the heck it has to negotiate with?
Also, Jon said the contract expires sometime next year. Does he think that is the end? From his own tweet, I gather that Kate is free to renegotiate for another season of filming after that, regardless of what Jon wants.
Why would he twitter an apology to his children? They’re 6 and 10. I hope they don’t have access to twitter. That part alone makes me think this is a “play” on Jon’s part for something. More money from TLC and/or Kate, more control of the kids, whatever…. If I needed to apologize to my kids for anything, I would do it with them, not via twitter. I’m guessing he’s probably spent what he earned from his contract for allowing Kate plus 8 to be filmed. I had heard it was approx. 70k.
I wonder what custody has to do with accessing the property? It’s her property, isn’t it? She holds and pays the mortgage and owns the home. Why would she have to let him on the property? The law also says he may not come on my property. He doesn’t have to do anything to me for me to keep him beyond the gate, right? Maybe that is all LaFair means: that he has been asked to keep out by the property owner.
IMO, he did plenty that would tempt me to keep that man at the far end of the driveway- including hanging a sign on the gate threatening the film crew with his name misspelled. Man, that was bad!
That’s the thing about jon’s first epiphany with Heller last year that bothered me the most: He was on Larry King instead of at home with his kids explaining what he was doing in stopping the filmimg. He left that up to Kate. Like it or not the filming has been a constant in those kids lives. Whatever his motivation was (and I believe it was contract leverage) he needed to tell the kids what he was doing instead of letting them see the sign on the fence.
Oh let’s not forget the other stunt Jon pulled last year, when he invited Aunt Jodi and Uncle Kevin (after they had sold “secrets” to the tabliods) to the house for a photo op. He is a mean man.
I think that Kate did not have a problem with him picking the kids up at the door. They would be hidden from the paps taking pictures and that distressful video.
I think Jon may have done something that it became a directive from the court that he could not access the property.
I think with Kate being given the right to determine if the kids are going to film or not does not mean that they are. Kate has primary custody and they may be hammering out what she gets to make decisions on. Like what school they go to, or what doctor they see.
Not ever being divorced I am guessing.
Not ever being divorced I am guessing.- Sage
Me too! That’s why I have so many questions, lol.
How can a judge bar Kate from allowing Jon on her preoperty? I don’t think a judge should have any say over it. It’s her property!
I think Kate made the decision. I am giving her the benefit of the doubt that it was the right decision. He is the one who invited paps to photograph the kids in the doorway when the breeder took the dogs, invited estranged family to the house, entertained a babysitter until the wee hours of the morning, shot a gun at the house, was photographed smoking a handrolled ‘party favor,’ drained a bank account, and had his new girlfriend carry little ones into the home. He shows poor judgment. He shared her texts to him. He gets rides with a tabloid photographer. I wouldn’t want him past my gate either, until he settled down and settled down for a long time.
I agree that something happened to make her change the gate code, but I think she was the one who decided she’s had enough, not a judge. I respect that she won’t say why Jon remains at the gate. I also find it very interesting that Ellen and Jon don’t tweet about the injustice of his staying beyond the gate. Maybe they’d like to keep the reason quiet, too?
I show my lack of computer skills by not being able to link successfully to Sylvia Lafair’s article addressing that video of Jon & the screaming Gosselins. For those who care to link to Sylvia Lafair’s blog, her words were published in ‘The Examiner’ (national) on Aug. 4th w. the title “Leadershil Dilemma, Life Dilemma, & Jon Gosselin” ~ she specifically says Jon has a time that he must deliver the children home, whether Kate is there or a babysitter etc. By her words ‘the law’ means that Jon has definitive constraints w. his visitation thru’ the courts.
It’s anyone’s guess, but it would seem that having Jon back in town has been a moving target for revisiting prior arrangements now that he is no longer the cross country bon vivant. Before List was ‘fired’, he was quoted as saying Jon had found a wonderful, spacious place for his children, & had a very supportive woman in his life. Meanwhile Kate’s lawyer was frantically wondering where to mail responses to Jon’s request for full custody of the kids…& everyone knows that story better than I do.
I know from my personal experience and some of my friends that a court can dictate how the exchange happens. LOL, don’t we have any members of the “first wives club” around here?
It’s my guess that this is all a continuation of Jon filing for custody while Kate was on DWTS. We don’t know how long they’ve been mediating or having hearings. I would also guess that it was Jon who was trying to have the filming rights granted to himself. I do remember Kate saying that whoever had the visitation would determine if filming took place at that time. That was before the first settlement and I think that didn’t matter much or was quickly changed since Jon wasn’t going to be on the show anymore. Hate to sound harsh, but I think this is all about support $s and Jon trying to get at Kate (or maybe that’s a perk).
P.S. If anyone does revisit Sylvia’s words…it is very interesting to reread her reply to Hailey Glassman’s Radar rant…I believe it was posted around Sept. 3rd…”Enough Already”. This woman feels she KNOWS the G-8, & their whole relationship w. Jon w. his visit to her retreat on Father’s Day. Incredible speak coming from this woman. I’d bet my bottom dollar this woman is behind Jon & Ellen’s every move. IF she isn’t, she might consider making a refund to Jon. Life coach, indeed!!!
HB, essentially yes–Jon is not supposed to tweet about this, but the judge can’t really stop Ellen. He is having someone to do his dirty work. Kate is not a saint and I probably would not want to live with her, but Jon to me is maddening.
My guess is that Sage is correct, this was not a decision about filming and more about who gets to make the major decisions for the kids should the parents disagree. I HATE this kind of case, but have had a couple this year alone. Most of the discussions revolve around winter soccer, and whether dad or mom can unilaterally sign the kids up for activities. It sounds like Jon asked for that final decision making ability. Usually the agreement is both parents agree on major decisions about the child, but in the absence of the ability to agree one parent will have the ultimate decision. I thought they had set a hearing date later (like November) regarding custody matters, so maybe this was a pretrial with temporary orders. I know other sites have been up in arms about “Get a GAL,” so I’ll say this–both parents have the ability to ask for a GAL at any time in the matter. Jon has not asked for one and I think there is a reason; I think it is because of his past behavior, his inability to hold a job, his apartment, his present behavior, etc. Having a GAL is a crapshoot, you can never be sure how a GAL will interpret a situation and it is equally (if not more) a human element than a judge. Personality conflicts happen, interpretations of situations differ. Other blogs seem to think if there was a GAL the GAL would side with Jon, and all would be well. I don’t see that here.
Re: the contract: I have said it before here but it bears repeating–I suck at contracts. There is a reason I didn’t go into it as a specialty. I would guess that when he reupped his contract he not only had the restrictive covenants in there (i.e. he can’t go after other “media” opportunities), the clause allowing him to stop filming without Kate’s agreement has also been removed, thus the court battle to allow him decision making finality. I don’t think it is about the kids, I think it is about Jon having leverage.
I’m sure Kate must have had a very good reason to stop Jon from coming up to the house and if she lives in the house and pays the bills she should have every right to make that decision.
When my 1st husband and I divorced (13 years ago) every single thing concerning our 2 children was in our custody order – we have joint custody with me being the primary parent and making all the day to day decisions. Visitation was written out in great detail, pickup/ dropoff was made very clear – when, where & who. Our order also stated that neither of us could live with or have any other adults spend the night unless we were legally married to them.
I don’t think a GAL would be in Jon’s favor either. When he talks about ’emotional and behavioral’ problems in some of the kids, the argument could be made that they experience that when 8 kids spend the night with him and Ellen in a one bedroom apt.
Thanks for that input Erin Kate. I was wondering about the GAL. But, they’re assuming there’s not one. Since it’s all private, the kids might have one and they wouldn’t know (am I wrong?). They wouldn’t have known anything if it weren’t for Jon’s tweet. I feel bad for Kate about this. Just because it’s nice when all the legal stuff and the bills that go w/it are in the past.
Wow. I had no idea a judge gets that involved. What a pain. Thanks for the info, first wives, attorneys and good guessers!
I guess Jon really does see himself differently than I do if he went before a judge, with his recent past and living/tweeting arrangements, to ask for any decision-making ability regarding the kids. I can’t believe he wouldn’t at least try to get a job first at anything to show he wants to actually afford a decent place for 8 kids to visit. And I do mean ‘visit’ until he gets a place where they can have beds and space for things, and they can spend half their time with him.
I am with Lilly on this one. How do they not know there is not a GAL? Jon needs to be taken to task for what he divulged. Kate was for what she said on Regis and Kelly! She basically said the kids were having a hard time with all the changes. He declared they had emotional and behavioral problems. HUGE difference. Sorry I am really stuck on the fact he said that so publicly. The show is about fun things they do. It has shown very little on the effects of the divorce. I think it’s such an invasion of privacy for these kids that he is twittering about their day to day stuff. I know the Kate detractors think that’s hypocritical, but I wish they could just see the difference.
We must have been typing at the same time Ann! I agree. IMO (as always) Jon should worry less about the small amount of time his kids have been on tv lately and more about setting himself up to be a complete father for them.
Bigger apartment, less girlfriend exposure, less talk about getting entertainment jobs.
I know some of Kate’s choices in jobs could be questioned, but in my eyes, she’s doing what she can to make as much money as she can before ops dry up. Isn’t that what every parent basically does?
How do you think these kids are going to feel when they get older?
Right or wrong, they are going to blame their problems on this filming. I’m not saying that they will be correct, but it’s going to be a problem in the future.
I commend Jon for attempting to pull the plug on this. If you recall, at the end of season four, he wanted to stop filming. It was very tense, Kate was pro-show and Jon was uncomfortable with it.
Other than supporting the McMansion lifestyle, why risk the children’s future?
I can see many future negatives, but few positives for the kids if TLC continues to film.
Even if it’s a 50/50 chance that some of the kids will be okay, why risk it?
stxmom, Interesting. I wondered about the “having someone over” thing was one that could be ordered. I am not familiar w/that one. Personally, I think the clearer all those details are defined, the easier it is. It’s all decided and everyone knows what is expected of them.
Garnet, Jon may have said he wanted to stop filming yet he signed the contract to continue. That is one of the major problems I have with Jon, he says one thing and does another.
We can’t assume how the kids are going to be or what they are going to think when they are older.
They may see that their dad leaving them to live in another state, going to Europe with his soulmate when their parents separated and they needed him most more hurtful and damaging than being filmed at Discovery Cove.
I agree Sage. And like Craftymomof3’s post of #125 says…he needs to keep quiet. Stop tweeting Jon.
I think it’s more damaging to them when they see their father’s destructive behavior more so than the filming of fun they had on vacations.
Garnet—–do you know something about the G kids that I am not seeing. I would never say they will have problems in the future. That’s like saying your kids will be in trouble for the way you parent, which would be wrong of me to say.
Jon wants it both ways. This really has nothing to do with his children, it’s getting back at Kate. Jon is a failure, he did this himself, no job, no family support and now has Ellen sending the nasty vile hate sites after Kate and his children. This man needs serious help. Maybe a fine and jail time where he would be removed from the toxic people he has around him would be good for him. At least he would not be on twitter telling stories about his kids. No respectful Father, whether on TV or not would do this.
Maybe Jon really likes negative attention, some people will keep digging their own hole just to think they are right. Why isn’t Jon praising his children about how great they are doing in school and music. Is Jon involved with the school at all, projects, teacher conferences etc. Jon has plenty of time to be involved, as he says he watches old movies and Reality TV with Ellen. What Father really has time to do that every day, just Jon as he sits on a couch all day.
Jon needs his OWN family to step in, even tho I think maybe they washed their hands of him. He has brought several women into that family and has been caught lying to all of them to.
Garnet-Jon’s made it clear how desperately he wants to be in the entertainment industry, in front of the camera and announced that he was too famous to get a regular job. Have you forgotten his post-separation tour of every tabloid show that would have him, including selling as much of the twins’ 9th birthday as he could to the Insider/ET? Or the time, he was filmed happily chatting with the paps, as he leaned against the car at the school bus stop? I thought the bus hadn’t arrived yet until I heard one of the twins come from inside the car, pleading with him to let them go home.
He encouraged the paps at the fence until he wasn’t allowed on the property any more. His then attorney announced that Jon was the real ratings draw on J & K + 8.
Jon talks a good game but his actions speak way louder than his words. What he took from his children last year was a TLC crew with whom the kids were clearly comfortable, who clearly cared about the kids, & who were not there all the time; he replaced them with a jackal pack of paparazzi hounding them constantly, blinding them with flashbulbs, deafening them with whirring cameras, and upsetting them by shouting rude, horrible questions to their mother. They were on magazines like Good Housekeeping before their father started chasing his lost twenties; afterwards, they couldn’t go to the supermarket without facing tabloid covers calling their mother a monster. None of this mess need have happened if Jon, Jodi, & Julie (Kevin was and is a cypher) had actually shown any concern for the children, if they had simply kept their mouths shut and Jon had found a reasonably priced place to live with room for the kids to sleep in beds & have space to call their own near the family home, looked for a job that didn’t involve trashing TLC or his wife, and presented any issues to the court in the divorce quietly and confidentially. If he hadn’t taken off to NYC, he might even have been able to get joint custody, if he wanted it.
Having the crew around is something the kids have known since the 6 were toddlers. These days many families seem to digitally video record everything and post it on You Tube, My Space, Facebook, and Flickr. I don’t see all that much of a difference for the Gosselin children on the sheer physical experience of being filmed.
Are you saying that a sharp drop in their standard of living, having to give up their home, possibly having to give up their school and their friends there would have no negative impact on the children? There are children who struggle even where they have good parents who stay together out of love and have all the advantages. There are children who do fine despite tremendous odds. You want to change virtually all the variables in their lives pursuant to your apparent ironclad belief that being on TV is (a) ALWAYS a major negative risk factor for children and (b) the only significant one in their lives, individually and collectively. You seem to ignore the fact that life doesn’t come with a warranty. The children not only have a mother in whom the court appears to have total confidence but, so long as the children are minors and Jon keeps trying to use the courts to hassle Kate, the court will continue to oversee the matter so I think the kids have pretty much the same chance of growing up to be productive, well-balanced adults as any other child does.
Can’t it be asked why isn’t Kate working? The kids are all in school fulltime now and it appears she’s got help around the house. Why is she not working a regular job? She spends a lot of her days shopping and primping while the kids are in school. Couldn’t she have a part time nursing job somewhere? Even if it were home nursing where she went into peoples homes to care for them away from the media. I know a lot of RN’s who do this. Nurses are in demand everywhere. She could more than likely set her own hours. The only job it seems Kate wants is in front of a camera. How is this any different from Jon wanting entertainment jobs?
Kate has a contract with TLC. Just because she isn’t on TV on a regular schedule, we have no idea when she is working or not. I think you’re pulling at straws, Tanny, to say that Kate isn’t working.
P.S. Kate is not going to return to nursing. I wish her detractors would give that one up. It’s getting old.
How do you think these kids are going to feel when they get older?
Right or wrong, they are going to blame their problems on this filming. I’m not saying that they will be correct, but it’s going to be a problem in the future.
I am not so sure of this. These kids have several things they can blame their problems on – not just filming – 1) growing up in a family with higher order multiples (or being one of higher order multiples); 2)growing up in a divorced family; 3)having parents that are celebrities and a bit infamous; 4) having a high strung mother; 5) having an unmotivated father, etc.
There are also things that haven’t happened yet that they could blame their problems on. If they have to leave their school and/or home when the filming stops, they may blame future problems on that.
Can’t it be asked why isn’t Kate working?
I am not sure why anyone would ask that when Kate is working. No she is not working as a nurse but she has steadily brought in paychecks that have nothing to do with the kids filming over the past year. It baffles me that anyone can argue that Kate is not working when in 2010 alone she appeared on DTWS, cohost a few episodes of The View, published a book, appeared in the Emmy show, and was a cover “girl” on a magazine. Would anyone argue that someone else who appeared on TV sure was not working? Do people figure all folks who have published books are not working? Are models who shoot covers of magazines not working?
I expect that Kate spends days when the kids are in school actively seeking out new projects and working on current ones behind the scenes. I have heard she still working on the cookbook – I am not sure about that. TLC still is saying that Twist of Kate will begin airing in December so I expect she has been working on that. From everything I have seen, Kate is working very hard or she wouldn’t have the opportunities that she does.
PeggyP, Judy, and Paige, very well said!
Tanny, working in the media is not a 9-5 job.
Thanks for the reply, Erin Kate. My leaning heavily on Sylvia Lafair for what Jon has been up to… had me thinking that she has been ACTING like a ‘GAL’ in re. to Jon’s every move, behind the scenes. I don’t know if she is a psychologist or not, but I’d assumed so…& is practicing in PA. The fact she so freely shared her private observations about the relationship between Jon & the children (as well as her take on Ellen), spoke volumes when she made her public responses to RADAR, of all people! As a life coach, I am also assumed that when Jon made public that he would sue for full custodial rights etc., that Sylvia started fine-tuning what Jon & Ellen would show publically & in their Twitters. All of this leading up to that custody hearing that was on the docket for late Nov.?
As you can tell, I have zero knowledge of anything in re. to law, but like many, have seen enough to know that a ‘GAL’ can make decisions in re. to girlfriends/boyfriends & what part they may play in re. to minor children. Actually I thought Momjian could expose Ellen’s part in carrying the load that Jon is not allowed to. Oh, I do know I’m beating a dead horse here, yet basically ALL of this is ABOUT WHAT’S IN THE 8’s BEST INTEREST!
I’d have to think I could not live w. Kate either…but that’s because I know what being a Type A is like. ;0(
Garnet
Jon and Kate do not have family support, IMO.
Kate’s parent’s could have helped her through the divorce by stepping forward in a public manner if they believed she was doing the right thing. Jon’s mom could have done the same thing.
I think it’s quite telling that the grandparents are unwilling to “come out” and offer their support. Especially during the divorce when Kate gave that interview where she said her parents don’t know how to help her. Jon said Kate’s parents were not involved, at all.
I think when the six were born and Kate wanted new cribs for the preemies (germ factor) she said or is reported to say they didn’t know how to help her. I didn’t think she said that related to the divorce. Am I wrong?
That divorce was so awful and such a media circus the last thing they needed were public shows of support by parents publicly speaking out. I am sure it came in a more private manner.
As for people asking why Kate isn’t working…We’ve all seen her do many TV appearances…The view, Regis, ET, DWTS, Leno, Jimmy Kimmel. Was that not work that brought in income? I’m sure I missed a few things, but in her industry I am also sure its considered work. If people mean to ask why doesn’t she slave at a lower pay rate as a nurse instead of earning $500,000 for 2 or 3 months work at DWTS. You do the math for 8 children and answer your own question.
Pattypie, I have grown to appreciate your friendship dearly but whats wrong with making old grandma soup? LOL ! You crack me up as always! That being said I am forever glad that you are on the Gosselin blogs. You add the calm and patience with question asked over and over that I have no patience for! You are the shinning star over the sea of drivel !
And I am sending you my soups that heal link..mmmmmmmmm old granny soup…mmmmmmmmmmm. Missing my grannies now!
Those interested in the Gosselin saga can continue to critique Jon and Kate to justify our points of view ad infinitum. I think that both parents have made their share of mistakes as time has gone on and it is the children that suffer the consequences of these mistakes both now and in the future. Assumptions are always dangerous and there is alot we will never know, nor should we. For instance, we cannot assume that halting filming would automatically mean a move for the children or a change of schools. Moreover, there so much complexity to this situation that there are no simple answers. In considering the welfare of these children, it is clear that welfare means different things to different people. On balance, it seems to me to have gone on way too long and hope that it has not gotten tangled up in a power struggle between these parents.
For instance, we cannot assume that halting filming would automatically mean a move for the children or a change of schools.
Of course, we do not know for sure that would happen. But the evidence that is out there suggests this is a very real possibility. At the time of hearing last year where Jon was ordered to return money that been taken from the joint account, paps shot a picture of Kate holding a pad at Kinkos that indicate the amount she was paying for the 8 kids in school was $75,000/year (roughly $9000 per kid/year). The mortgage on the house was over $700,000. Depending on interest rates and the length of mortgage, that is $40,000. So not counting food, clothing, utilities, and household upkeep, etc. for the kids to stay in their school and home, Kate needs to make at least $115,000. With all of the other expenses, I expect that she needs at least $250,000-$300,000 year.
I know people argue that Kate is a millionaire but I just don’t see it. Most of her money has been made in the last couple of years when there has not been much return on investment (my retirement accounts still have not caught up to their pre 2008 level). The old house sat on the market for a long time so they lost money there. Kate has a good lawyer but she also said she has lots of legal debt.
I don’t see Jon ever making enough to pay half of the kids school tuition.
It is not a huge assumption to believe that part of the reason Kate is eager to keep filming is because she knows that she can not keep the kids in their home or school without it.
I see your point Paige. Perhaps I used the wrong “for instance” but still think that alot of what is “known” is really speculation based on what we think we can assume. An obvious example is that we cannot assume she is not working just because we do not see her doing it. I do not disagree at all that a return to nursing for Kate is not a realistic option and her developing her own independent entertainment career is just fine with me. I stand by my point, however, that the children’s welfare is a complex matter and that financial considerations form only one small part of it. To me, they have sacrificed alot for the sake of financial security.
The only job it seems Kate wants is in front of a camera. How is this any different from Jon wanting entertainment jobs?
I think Harrison Ford once did carpentry? You never hear people say, “Harrison Ford just wants to be a movie star – why can’t he just go back to his carpentry work?” I don’t get people who think they have a say in what profession a total stranger pursues. I mean, I get the genesis of the argument – Kate “only became famous because of the kids, and now she’s trying to hold onto her 15 minutes, blah blah blah.” But I’m not sure why people care. They act like because her fame is kind of a fluke, she’s less worthy somehow to be a celebrity. But celebrity has never been about who is most worthy.
As for Jon pursuing entertainment jobs, I have no problem with it. I doubt he’ll be successful, but he has every right to try if that’s what he wants (and if it doesn’t interfere too much with his first responsibility, which is supporting his kids).
Personally, I don’t see Jon as being as viable a public figure as Kate. He has some negatives – poor public opinion of him (which Kate also has, but Kate haters watch Kate obsessively and I don’t get the feeling Jon haters do that at all) and an apparent lack of drive and ambition. From what I’ve seen, Kate hustles to get what she has. I do admire that.
whataboutthekids you have to remember that nobody ever dreamed that this little family show would turn into something huge. The truth is what really exposed the children to the general public was Jon himself from the moment he stepped on Larry King and announced the world his intentions of making their divorce a “public trial”. Kate wanted it private but Jon wanted the media attention and it was only then that everything truly went viral between that and Jodi and Kevin selling their family out with lies for the sake of money. Then add in their Jon’s little tryst with a schoolteacher caught by the paparazzi and that’s when everything blew up into what it is now. That’s not Kate’s fault nor the children’s. Even now the children could have gone back to semi privacy but Jon keeps putting his children out there every time he has visitation with them. Well almost. I suspect the older twins have made their feelings vocal about that.
Now it appears Jon’s latest scheme to get more pictures of his kids, himself and Ellen out to the public is that he has joined a site where he has announced he is going to keep all his family photos on. So please tell me if there is that much difference between Jon putting photo after photo of his children out their on a regular basis and a show that only now is shown a few times a year. I see the constant photos as more of a problem. I suspect that none of the pictures for good reason will not be copyrighted so we might be seeing more and more pictures of the children out there for the public to see. I suspect even if the filming stopped today that Jon and Ellen would stop putting those children’s pictures out there. This is speculation of course but Jon’s intent and his motives haven’t failed us yet. It’s all about money and media attention, good or bad it’s attention for Jon and Ellen. In my opinion Ellen has absolutely no business in those children’s lives. Jon has used every woman he has been with except for Morgan and the schoolteacher as his mouthpiece to get some kind of vengence on Kate. Jon needs to take responsibility for his own problems and stop blaming his ex wife and TLC.
whataboutthekids—financial considerations for the G’s kids is huge. Just putting food and clothes on them every year would be a big expense. Then add school supplies, tuition, medical, everyday living would not be cheap. If you make $300.000 a year after all the taxes taken out and pay the bills, you would be living a lower than middle class standards into’s world. If Kate makes more than this in a year, she needs to look out for her own retirement just like we do. Do the math. House payments, and general upkeep in not cheap, even tho people are begging for jobs. Supplies cost. The McMansion statements that people make is so over the edge, you need room for 8 kids.
I want Jon to prove what major bills or property he has his name on, so Kate would not have to worry about paying the monthly bill. I will never believe that he was ordered to pay $20,000 in cs support alone. I think it has to do with some of the money he took from an account, and he blew it. Many court proceedings do this, he would pay so much for support and so much towards what he took. He knows he is not paying what has been ordered by his own statements (I pay according to my ability). Maybe instead of questioning Kate, maybe Jon could give you the answers you are looking for. IMO.
I agree wholeheartedly that no one, least of all the Gosselins, could have foreseen how this would have all spiraled out of control and that their family would become a reality show casualty. Frankly, there is lots of blame to be shared if we want to go that way. I think that in a sense Jon and Kate are both victims too. The point I was trying to make is that while we can keep dissecting the past what matters is the decisions that are made going forward now. A good starting point would be to quit filming the children. Hopefully, other good decisions would follow.
whataboutthekids I think that is exactly what Kate is intending on doing. Her first step was just a handful of specials and her next step is her own show Twist of Kate which I hope is successful because it will make the transition from the filming of the children to just mom working in the media on her own. Ask any child psychologist, it isn’t good to pull something away from children without having an adjustment period first. What Jon did last year out of spite and that’s exactly what it was, it was harmful to the children psychologically to pull the rug out from underneath the family literally overnight like Jon did. I’m betting it did cause problems with the children because this is what they have known since birth and for them it was a normal life. Just like if you children grew up in another culture and you suddenly took them out of their comfortable surroundings and the life they have known since they were born and thrust them into a totally different culture there would be shock and difficulty dealing with it. If children are slowly adjusted to a different way of living there is most cases no problems dealing with the change and I truly believe this is what Kate is doing and it’s the right way to do it for her children. Having minored in children psychology in college I can tell you this is the best way to handle the situation.
Since Kate has publicly said the children have been getting therapy dealing with the divorce who are we to judge what she is doing and maybe for the sake of the children Kate is making decisions based on what their therapist professionally feel is the right way to go about it. We do not know the ins and outs of this family and in my opinion Kate has maybe made a few mistakes but overall her strength, determination and patience is bringing her through the most difficult time of her life to this point quite admirably in my opinion so I feel that although she isn’t perfect she is a far better role model and parent to raise those children and the public and the media need to back off and let this family live their lives and make their choices without the pubic and the media trying to make the decisions for her and her children.
In my opinion if Jon really did care for the welfare of his children he would stop all this nonsense and filing one custody suit after another and quit by the “back door” keep defying the judge’s orders no matter what the case is and leak it to the public and using his latest mouthpiece (Ellen) as his avenue to keep his name relevant and keep his vindictiveness going. Have you ever thought it was funny that for a long time now we don’t see photos of Jon or Ellen unless they are with the children? We see photos of Kate but we know that Chris follows here around town but none of Jon or Ellen unless they have the kids for visitation. Too coincidental I think.
A good starting point would be to quit filming the children. Hopefully, other good decisions would follow.
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No, a good start would Jon stopping his lies and manipulations to get out of his contract. What do you think would happen to the show, to the kids, to this issue, if Jon went completely silent, didn’t tweet about how he wants out of his contract (oops, I mean didn’t tweet about how he wants the kids to stop filming), didn’t tweet about being with the kids, dropping them off, figuring out what to do with them for the weekend. What would happen if he just found a job, went to work daily, took care of his kids without talking about it to the Internet world, and stopped trying to mess with Kate, whenever he had the chance? He’s the one who creates the frenzy that gives the Gosselins negative tabloid attention. If he didn’t do what he’s been doing, we’d probably still have the occasional photos of Kate shopping with the kids, or of either parent picking the kids up at the bus stop, but things would die down. If they stopped filming the kids and Jon was no longer under contract with TLC, things would only get WORSE for the Gosselin kids, because Jon would no longer be prohibited from doing the ugly and damaging interviews that he did when he was in violation of his contract. And he’d do plenty of them. He’d do whatever program paid him the big bucks, and he’d start with the nasty talk that got him the reputation that he has today.
WATKS—-no, a good place would be for Jon to grow up. Why would anyone in this world go to the press or twitter when ordered not to speak about a court case and do it any how. IMO Jon needs medical help, there is something that is not ticking right upstairs. Many people go to court, settle things, and are told no discussion will be held concerning the outcome. Jon seems to think he can get a pass by using his kids.
In today’s internet world, the twins probably have come to the conclusion that their Dad just does stuff. The little ones probably don’t care and they have lots of years ahead to discuss and digest what has happened, maybe nothing for all we know. Grain of salt to them. Kids adjust to stuff everyday, I know mine did.
Jon is creating the problems for his kids, get a job, any job, provide them with some living space, a 3 bedroom ranch with a basement is not that expensive, but Jon is broke and maybe Ellen is supporting him. Jon is depressed, no one wants him in the Entertainment business, he does not follow contract rules. Jon is his own worst enemy.
Nicole I have to agree with you completely. I wish more people would get Jon’s agenda and stop being played for fools playing right into his hands. And all you described is exactly why Jon can’t get a decent job in the media. The only ones that would be interested in him at this point are the gossip TV shows and the gossip magazines. Sadly for Jon to get an admirable job in the media is just not going to happen whether he is under contract or isn’t under contract with TLC. I am almost positive that what you fear would happen would in fact happen. Sadly even at the expense of his children would do or say anything as long as he got paid.
I remember a year ago it wasn’t until Jon himself started bashing his own children individually and very publicly did anyone else start publicly bashing the children by name. After Jon Gosselin who was the first to publicly bash his children by names and as individuals after the separation & divorce, then the Kate haters and the media have gone on the same spree and spouted all kinds of hatred and negative criticism towards individual Gosselin children by name. To this day I can remember which of his children was his first choice and no words can describe the disgust I hold for what he has done.
That’s when my heart truly broke for those children and you can’t blame filming, Kate, TLC or anyone else except for the one parent. Jon, who chose out of spite decided to use his children by name in his scheme of revenge. Since then it has been a free for all by the hate groups and the media to individually attack the Gosselin children. Stopping filming will not stop this. Only Jon truly changing for the good and Jon should stop allowing his mouthpieces such as his lawyers and girlfriends,therapists, etc. from speaking out against his ex wife or children will stop this sad story.
Sadly though the filming of the children has to stop because kids grow up and it’s only natural and frankly the thought of that day in some way sickens me because the thought of Jon off any kind of leash is quite scary and what might happen won’t be a pretty picture and may do more damage to those children than anyone could possibly conceive of at this point. In the end Jon hopefully will realize that the only one to blame was himself but by then it might be too darn late. All we can pray for is that never happens and I truly pray it doesn’t because in the end it is all about the children.
Jennie says “I think Harrison Ford once did carpentry? You never hear people say, “Harrison Ford just wants to be a movie star – why can’t he just go back to his carpentry work?”
Wouldn’t acting be considered a skill vs. appearing as yourself on a reality show? I’m not sure that is a valid comparison.
I agree that Jon probably wouldn’t be a success in the entertainment industry and wish they (him and Kate) would realize that they can’t depend on the entertainment industry as their only career option. At some point, both are going to have to realize they will need to get a job outside of television.
I do give Kate credit for working hard to become something other than a reality star. Is Twist of Kate really going to happen or is it just talk at this point? (I still say, Kate being a host of an organizational show would be a hit and something I would watch.) But for those who think that Jon should just get a job, wouldn’t he face the same issues Kate would if she returned to being a nurse?
Joy, you do know it was Kate that went on Larry King first, and appeared in People talking about the divorce, don’t you?
Isn’t it weird that Jon wanted to go back to being just Jon Gosselin and not “Jon” of “Jon & Kate +8?” He had me convinced he wanted to stay out of the limelight. Now he tweets to complete strangers like he’s celebrity, and he wants entertainment jobs. I guess he changed his mind.
Joy, you do know it was Kate that went on Larry King first, and appeared in People talking about the divorce, don’t you?
Actually the People article was written before the ‘gentleman’s agreement’ not to discuss their private lives. It came out after.
In addition, the Larry King appearance was before the agreement. It was JUST before the agreement. I pointed this out a million times back when it was happening.
The court order that Jon is now violating is that he is not to discuss the legal proceedings. A court order and two sides in litigation just agreeing between themselves to a cooling off period are two entirely different things. There is unfortunately no law about talking about your kids on tv or Kathie Lee Gifford would be out of work.
Sue yes I do know that Kate went on Larry King first but I also watched both interviews and in Kate’s interview she did not once slam Jon and kept it as low key as possible while in Jon’s interview it was let it all out and slam the woman up one side and down the other and he announced to the shock of the other moderators there that he had every intention of putting the divorce on public display and in the court of public opinion. It was the polar opposite of Kate’s interview. Remember also when Jon was with Hailey he went on not one, not two but three entertainment tv shows almost literally every day talking about the divorce and slamming his wife in public and oh there is the Chris Cumo interview that sadly won’t be forgotten. Kate isn’t perfect but she made her way through the nightmare that her ex made with dignity and grace while frankly Jon made a fool of himself before everyone.
I don’t understand why so many people seem to want to believe that the Twist of Kate won’t happen when time and again TLC has confirmed it will air. Many of the episodes were already filmed last spring so if you think TLC will waste all the time and money for nothing I think you might be wrong.
There is a huge difference between Kate staying in the entertainment business and Jon. The fact is that Jon has been turned down by one media outlet after another. They just aren’t interested in Jon and who would sign anyone that doesn’t honor a contract and then causes a network alot of headaches. It just isn’t going to happen and for all we know TLC really might not be holding Jon back and Jon is using TLC as an excuse as to why he hasn’t gotten a job. I do have a link to an article where someone in the business sent out over 200,000 requests to people in the entertainment business all over the world to see if Jon would get a job offer and this was a sincere attempt apparently. Not one single reply to the request and not one single company or media outlet was interested according to this person.
Where Kate from my understanding gets offers all the time and has to sort through them and of course get TLC’s opinion also. ABC made it known after DWTS that they would love to sign her on for a show and that’s saying something. So whether some like it or not I suspect Kate is here to stay and personally I love it.
Sue, your point about Kate being on LKL & People proves what?
No, sorry I don’t think comparing Jon & Kate’s returning to the private sector is at all the same. There is such a thing as a resume. I wonder how a future employer would evaluate… say a Jon Doe to a Kate Doe? Being a Gosselin does not have to be about celebrity…if that is what either wants/NEEDS for their future. Let me be petty: Kate gets her nursing certificate renewed. Jon…? As Kate said early on…I’d hoped Jon would use the time I was doing the book tour to go back to college. He did not have to stay at home ‘babysitting’ as we had hired a full-time housekeeper. Yes, Jon went to college…but to party in Huntingdon…to take care of his ailing mother 3 hrs. away from his home.
Joy, while everyone remembers Jon on the Chris Cuomo show stating that he despised Kate, what sticks out in my mind about that interveiew was Jon saying that Kate stole his wedding ring. This was after, he went on to say, he looked under all the kids pillows to see if they took it!
Sue, I didn’t mean to make a direct comparison between Ford and Kate – I’m just trying to point out the absurdity of people thinking they have a say in a perfect stranger’s life choices. (Though I’d point out that while Ford is a decent actor, there are plenty of actors – some who are successful! – who aren’t exactly “skilled.”)
I don’t know if Kate needs to find a job outside of the entertainment industry. I mean, if one is being practical, it should probably be said that ANYONE in the entertainment industry should be thinking about what they could do outside of it, because the fact is, it’s a tough business. I think Kate is just trying to wring out what she can from the job now. I don’t blame her for that.
Joy – It wasn’t that I don’t believe Twist of Kate won’t happen, I haven’t heard much about it. I was asking because I figured if anyone would know, it would be the people here. I’m sure TLC and Kate will have a show together, I just didn’t know how soon it was going to happen. As for the interviews, there were several times Kate through Jon under the bus. However, she is smarter, had media training and a well thought out, long term plan in mind, and because of that handled herself much better.
HB – Jon isn’t a model husband, ex-husband or father. I was just pointing out that many of the arguments about Jon can also be applied to Kate as well. While in this case, I was happy to see Kate let her lawyer handle the issue of Jon’s tweeting, when it has suited her needs Kate has been more than willing to share personal information and use the media to get her message across.
HB: Let me be petty: Kate gets her nursing certificate renewed. Jon…?
Someone in a previous post stated it was unrealistic for Kate to go back to nursing. However, as you pointed out, if anyone is more qualified to go back to their old profession, it would be Kate. So my question still remains – why is it ok that Kate is too much of a public figure not to go back to nursing, but not Jon? But for me, this is really a rhetorical question that I used to illustrate that again, the career issue could be applied to both. However, I really think both parents need to start planning for a career outside of the entertainment field so they have options to support their families when their entertainment options don’t pan out.
Sage, I always thought he should have looked in the dirt under the window of that garage apartment. She should have pitched it if he took it off in her home for her to find. He wants to leave a little passive-aggressive symbol he’s done? She should have given him a good old-fashioned aggressive-aggressive response.
(And if it is indeed laying on the property- psst! Kate, go get it and sell it- the price of gold has gone way up in a year.)
However, I really think both parents need to start planning for a career outside of the entertainment field so they have options to support their families when their entertainment options don’t pan out.- Sue
She renewed the nursing license, Sue. You don’t need media training for that. Kates prepared.
regarding Twist of Kate- coming in November or December 2010.
In the end is it really anybody’s business what Kate chooses to do to make a living, whether it’s in the entertainment sector, business sector or any other field? Really as long as she is supporting her children and they are happy, healthy and getting a good education it really isn’t anyone’s business what choice she makes. There are thousands of women in the entertainment field so is it our business to choose for her what she should or shouldn’t do? Kate has some great friends in the business that support her and let’s be honest, it not always what you know but who you know and with people like Meredith Viera, Barbara Walters and many others supporting her let’s face it whether you might like her or not, I think she is very funny and very witty and she stands as much of a chance in that field of making it as does any other person. If she doesn’t she did after all renew her nursing certificate and at least she plans ahead. Kate is obviously a survivor and I suspect no matter what comes her way, she will deal with it and always putting her children first and foremost.
Sage I do remember the ring incident and many others but it seems there are some people whose memories have faded or the chose to not remember.
In the end I will never understand why people who say they hate the show or don’t like children on TV. start hate blogs, petitions and more on ONE family, this mother, when there are so many others doing the same exact thing and many children in the entertainment field for many, many years when all they had to do was use their television remote or get off their easy chair and change the channel.
I don’t care for one of the new TLC shows but am I going to start a hate blog and start on those mothers or the children that appear on the show? No I simply choose to not watch the show or comment about it. Where has common sense gone?
Most hospitals will require a refresher course of some type for those who have been out of nursing that long.
just sayin’
ps. to pattypie – I have been wanting to say that for some time now.
Jennie – I actually don’t blame Kate for pursuing an entertainment career either. She’s certainly worked hard at, and deserves some respect for that, and I do admire the fact she is trying to find an outlet that is hers solely. I’m interested in seeing how well she does, and if her fans are going to stay with a show that doesn’t involve the kids. I think if Kate could relax, stays away from her attempts at staged humor and reality show situations (ala the “reality” show Paris Hilton did) and lets more of her natural personality come through, I think she can do well.
And since I am a Plan A, B and C person, I think everyone in any industry should have back up plans, but especially anyone in the entertainment industry. I don’t think that should just apply to Jon and Kate.
Ann, I have to say, I do think she renewed her nursing license more for publicity purposes vs. having actual intentions to go back to a nursing career (so I think media planning did have something to do with it lol.) I based this on a couple of interviews Kate did, stating that having her family on TV is their only option for supporting their family. So while I do agree with you that Kate’s a Type A personality, I’m not sure she has plans outside of the entertainment industry.
Thanks for the info on Twist of Kate!
IIRC, Sue, she renewed her license just before it was about to expire. We knew about it because the hater/stalker-types posted the info, not Kate, TLC, etc. Really, one of them actually looked it up in state licensing records(?) or something like that.
It doesn’t even make sense to say that a TV show is your only option and then prove it by renewing a license to work in an unrelated profession. How is that good media training? I think she renewed it for the same reason I crammed 180 hours of CPE units into >18 months. I worked hard for the license and wanted it to remain an option! (Which I had to use as my TLC show never took off.)
You are correct on that one, Ann. I remember that someone looked it up and posted the information. It was not for publicity purposes.
I am a nurse. I retired in June and I renewed my license in August. It is much easier to renew your license if you have an active license than to let it expire and then renew, I believe. Almost all of my nurse friends keep their licenses current even if they are not actively working in the field.
Ann,
That is why I renewed my license also. Just in case TLC does not like the reality TV show that I am pushing right now. 😉
I think if Kates days of Tv were over, she has a back up plan. Having 8 children she would be planning on their future. She has many more years to see all these kids through college, while Jon still continues to sit and do nothing. If he had spent the time he took trashing Kate, going to France, Vegas, Utah, California, New York and now PA in the last year or so, and did something with his life, maybe his world would be different now.
No, this crap is all about poor Jon and now he is using Ellen to make his statements, it’s all Kates fault. No Jon, it’s your fault!!! Quit blaming others and check yourself at the door.
Well, I am not actually saying I think Kate is planning on going back to nursing, just that she has made plans to do so if the TV career disappears and she needs to make money. My point is that while Jon seems to lack direction beyond making money by taking Internet polls, like his current girlfriend, Kate has a viable career that can support a family to fall back on. I don’t think that comes from media training. It comes from a strong character and sense of obligation to her children.
I guess I’m just getting tired of the whole drama as I suspect thousands of others are based on the number of articles on the internet written on them compared to a year ago. I think even the media is getting tired of reporting their drama. I doubt Jon and Kate would have gone this far had it not been for all their drama. That’s what people tune into see now. That’s why people tune into shows Kate is on not because she has any great talent to offer. That’s the only reason people would watch Jon if he did happen to manage to land a gig. It’s just like a soap opera addiction, people tune in to see what drama is next. People act (myself included) like they really know them when in reality we have no idea what’s going on in their heads or in their lives. We don’t know these people at all. It’s all based on speculation. I’ve read comments like “it’s NOT going to happen” and “he/she is doing this because” but we really don’t know squat. I really just wish they would both fade away and have a strong feeling that’s what a lot of other people are hoping now too. I think people are just sick and tired of hearing about their problems and battles. It’s not intriguing or funny anymore. As a matter of fact the whole thing is beginning to just make me want to take a good hot bath and wash it all off me. I just dread the thought of those poor kids growing up and reading all the trash that’s been written about their parents and even about them. That’s when the real problems are going to begin for the Gosselins.
Forget the TLC show, Pam, just write the book. 😉
No, I’m pushing for Pam to be a real life cybersleuth on her reality show (which, since you have your nursing license, you could solve medical mysteries on the side!) What a perfect fit for TLC LOL.
I do remember someone looking up Kate’s license information and posting it (though maybe that came from Jodi/Julie?) – but didn’t it get into more mainstream media too? Because I thought once the info was more public, that’s when Kate made the decision to renew her license????? However, it’s quite possible this only happened in my overactive imagination!
Doesn’t TLC have a new Job Coach Show like the SuperNanny show? Maybe we can start a campaign to have him on the show to get a job. Would that be funny?!! And, since it’s on TLC, he wouldn’t even be breaking his contract.
I do need to reinvent myself now that I am retired. Hmmm cybersleuth. How much does that pay?
Tanny I’m seriously wanting to know something You say, “I really just wish they would both fade away and have a strong feeling that’s what a lot of other people are hoping now too. I think people are just sick and tired of hearing about their problems and battles. It’s not intriguing or funny anymore.”
Now if you feel that way why do you bother to even comment about her? If you don’t like Kate, don’t like Jon then there is plenty of other things out there to do besides sit on a board and complain about people that you wish would fade away. It’s the same idea as the remote. If you don’t want to see the show then change the channel. If you are sick of hearing about them then don’t go on boards and comment about them and don’t read articles about them. Just use that little tool called a mouse and go to something that interests you. It’s so simple.
There are millions that would disagree with you and actually do like Kate for many reasons. There are Jon fans also. So as long as there is interest whether you hate them or love them, they will be around as long as you keep them revelant. I for one would never in a million years wish failure on anyone like you do with your hope that Kate’s new show fails. I wouldn’t wish that on Jon if he decided to get up and get a job. Tanny why do people wish this on the children? Seriously I would like to know. It seems that some think they are psychics and can predict how the future will be for the children. I personally would never say such a thing and never wish it on a family. There are children of celebrities in fact if someone did statistics on it I’m willing to bet that the majority of the children of celebrities that have been through trials and errors through their career only a handful might have grownup to have problems and more than likely those statistics would happen in any family, celebrity or not. Remember we only hear about the bad stories not the good. That’s the way of the media. It’s sensationalism not heart and flowers that sell.
Sue says:”why is it ok that Kate is too much of a public figure not to go back to nursing, but not Jon?” Kate has never said she is too famous to get a regular job or to famous to go back to nursing but Jon has stated he is too infamous to get a regular job. In fact Kate stated that the reason she was keeping her license current because you never know and she has eight children to support. The difference is that Kate hasn’t defied contracts, Kate does her job and Kate doesn’t bad mouth TLC. Jon doesn’t honor contracts, Jon slams TLC who gave him a good income for watching his own children while Kate was away on book tours. Jon and Kate both got paid good money for being with their children. While Kate appreciates the opportunities that have been given to her, Jon has thrown it all away. Once before I answered your question but I don’t know why it has to be repeated. Jon can’t get a job in the industry because there is no one calling him for a job. TLC has stated if Jon wants to get a job he can it just has to be something decent and nothing that would hurt family values and not offend the shows sponsors.
I have a feeling that with some people you could explain till the cows come home and they just won’t get it. It all comes down to choice.
If you don’t like it then don’t watch it, don’t read about it and don’t blog about it.
Not enough to have to deal with people like GWOP, I’m afraid! LOL
Joy……Now if you feel that way why do you bother to even comment about her? If you don’t like Kate, don’t like Jon then there is plenty of other things out there to do besides sit on a board and complain about people that you wish would fade away. It’s the same idea as the remote. If you don’t want to see the show then change the channel. If you are sick of hearing about them then don’t go on boards and comment about them and don’t read articles about them. Just use that little tool called a mouse and go to something that interests you. It’s so simple.
That’s exactly what I was telling you I am going to do Joy.
Joy, I do believe Kate has said her only option to support her family was to have them on TV.
Tanny, I’m glad you are done blogging about Kate and Jon. I support a strong working Mother, in fact all Mother’s that work. Some of us in life had no choice but to leave our kids with sitters or nannies and hit the work force. My kids turned out ok, and if my family would have been offered a show, I might would have taken them up on it. Working 12 hours a day was no picnic for any of us. Many days and nights we spent a couple of hours together, eating, homework and to bed. I hope you never find yourself in the situation where some choices in life are made for you, not the other way around.
Enjoy your life, bath, and family.
I support a strong working Mother, in fact all Mother’s that work. Some of us in life had no choice but to leave our kids with sitters or nannies and hit the work force.
I have been a stay at home mom and a “working” mom, and IMO stay at home mom is much more “work”. 🙂
“I’m glad you are done blogging about Kate and Jon.”
I’m sure you are.
“Some of us in life had no choice but to leave our kids with sitters or nannies and hit the work force.”
Please don’t presume to know me just like you presume to know Jon and Kate. I worked one fulltime job, one parttime job, went to college fulltime, and raised 3 children alone who turned into happy, productive adults and I was on the Deans List. I did this all at the same time for several years. When I wasn’t going to school I was still working two jobs at all times for over 15 years while I was raisng my kids alone.
This is one of the biggest reasons I don’t want to be a part of the Jon and Kate bashings anymore. I actually feel guilty being a part of this anymore. I feel guilty presuming to know what was going through either of their heads. I’m sorry if that upsets you Snickers. I am not judging anyone who doesn’t feel this way. I’m just saying how I feel about it now after being so deeply involved in it for the past few weeks.
I did enjoy the bath. Thanks.
One more thing if I may. Even though I have decided to stop posting about Jon and Kate I will continue to defend myself and my opinion and will do it in a respectful and intelligent way. Because snickers you see, I am also a strong woman like yourself.
“Doesn’t TLC have a new Job Coach Show like the SuperNanny show? Maybe we can start a campaign to have him on the show to get a job. Would that be funny?!! And, since it’s on TLC, he wouldn’t even be breaking his contract.”-Sue
Sue, I saw the previews for that show…Jon would be good on it.
Jon made his own bed and he has to lie in it. He’s the one who leaked public information and pictures, exploiting his chidlren, etc. Jon could’ve had a career doing other jobs in tv. I think he would’ve been good on a show on HGTV with carpentry or something like that. But, HE ruined it himself with all the negative behavior he exhibits.
Kate renewing her license is smart. As Ann and Pam stated, all nurses worked hard for their license. I would definitely renew mine if I had one even if I didn’t plan on being in the profession for a while or was retired or whatever the circumstances. If I worked hard for a license, I’ll darn sure I’m going to keep it up.
Also, just because Kate may have stated at one time TV is the only way to support her kids, as with everything on the Gosselin Blog world, her words are taken to task and that mom is never able to grow. Suppose she has other plans that she wants to do that do not involve TV? So what? God bless her…she’s a go getter and has shown she can support her family without the help of her ex.(althought in the real world, I would like to see that ex help out). Just like how people trashed them for the words they said each week, they’re doing the same with Kate’s words in interviews. Remember, people evolve, people change…it’s a healthy product of growth.
Tanny, I give you high fives for all your hard work, just like I support Kate working hard to take care of her children. Life is not easy, it’s our own path we must take care of, which ever way it goes.
Attn: Jon Gosselin;
You need employment? Join the military. You’ll get to travel, be able to provide health insurance for your children & yourself & one day have a great retirement. You might truly make your family proud.
Plus I think the 6 wks of basic training w/out a Twitter account would do you some good.
Need more info? Let me know, my husband will steer you in the right direction.
Theresa – it was something Kate said in an interview fairly recently, after she renewed her nursing license. It was while Kate and Jon were going to court about having the kids on the show.
I still think we should start an online petition to get Jon on the Job Search show. That will give him something to twitter about other than the kids!
I hope whatever Kate does, she is happy ,satisfied and able to experience the joy that children bring to a parents life. I hope whatever life choices she has to make that they are HER life choices.
And I hope those choices along with her hard work and strength make her so stinking wealthy and deliriously happy that some people just choke thinking about it.
Jon has a new twitter out – I guess he was frustrated over how the last one was recieved.
On Tuesday 19th October 2010, @jongosselin1 said:
Due to the overwhelming amount of questions, statements, false statements in the media, I would like to clarify a few things.
First and foremost, for people who did not watch Jon & Kate Plus 8, I stated years ago, and on television, that I no longer wanted to film and wanted my privacy back. This is not a decision I made lightly or without weighing all the factors involved. The negative effects on my family was my greatest concern and far outweigh any monetary gain we received. Today, my children are much older than when we first started. They are acutely aware their life is markedly different from their peers. They are six, and ten, and have to deal with the paparazzi! They can’t visit a public place without a crowd gathering to stare or people snapping pictures with cell phones.
Whether the children want to film or not is completely irrelevant. Children rely on the guidance of the adults in their life to ensure their best interest. Left to their own most children would not eat properly, visit the dentist, or complete their homework. Do you think a child would choose a day on the beach instead of attending school? Of course. Is this the best thing for them? Is it the child’s decision to make? Of course not.
I am acutely aware of the mistakes I made in 2009 and I am ashamed of the choices I made. I have apologized to Kate, my family, and to my friends. Through counseling I have learned to own my actions. My goal is to move forward in a positive direction.
Lastly, my children have experienced a lot of life changes in a short period of time; new home, new school, parents divorced, increased media attention, and much more. Obviously it would be short-sighted to declare that all of their current struggles are attributed to one factor. These multiple changes are exactly why I feel they need privacy, stability, and security. Filming and displaying their private lives at this time is not in their best interest.
Thanks Paige,
I am going to post this as a new thread due to the amount of comments on this one.
Hi Ladies,
Just a thought, after reading all the comments here. I truly believe that the problem Jon has, as does Kate, is CONTROL of their eight children. I think that they both know that the children are the draw to entertainment and they are fighting over that control. Jon says filming is harmful to his children, but if TLC would cut him a little slack and make him a deal, he’d let the children film. Jon can’t stand that the children are part of his “property” too (he learned all about marketability with them!) and Kate thinks the children are her “belongings.” Solely. Neither of them are going to give up that control until those children are long gone. As far as their lifestyle damaging their futures (childrens)? More than likely they’ll just remember how they were pawns between their two ego-driven parents.
Now, I’ll go have a nice bath, too.
I saw parents who loved their children, LadyBird. I don’t think “controlling” the kids is the only thing driving the issues.
In fact, I think Kate is as much or more of the draw than the kids for some viewers. I expect Twist of Kate to be moderately successful.
I think Kate wants the kids to continue filming because the money is so good. She wants them to be set for life, IMO.
I don’t think either parent thinks filming has hurt them irreparably. I think both know there has been a trade-off, but it was worth it for the parents AND THE CHILDREN. I believe if either thought it was damaging for the kids, they would have stopped filming years ago.
I don’t think Jon has stopped filming last year because he thought it was damaging. I think he was negotiating for a new contract. I think he may have had legitimate concerns about filming the kids during the divorce, but he buried his concerns when offered money for tabloid pictures of the kids watching their dogs going away or the twins’ birthday party.
IMO, Jon’s tweet regarding the children and filming is too little/too late to be believable. Any father who loves his kids as much as Jon does would NEVER have agreed to filming the specials if he truly thought filming was damaging. He just wouldn’t. He would have accepted a stiff financial penalty for not honoring his business contract. He would not have risked his chidlren’s emotional health. Their “behavior problems” are probably being diagnosed by the 23 year old who is stuck negotiating sibling spats without any experience. I don’t blame her for thinking they are a handful- they probably are too much for her limited experience. But that doesn’t mean they have behavior problems. JMO, of course.
I still believe until I see different that Jon wants all the attention. Why he just can’t back away, let Kate and the children film a few specials, let him get a job, and Ellen and him could be happy. It’s rather very simply.
On the other side of the coin, Jon wants the high life without working, having Ellen trash Kate and say things about the kids, and keep his hands clean in the mess. Jon is using people for his own needs.