This post has been updated to include more recent information 09/02/09
Good Morning America scored a post-split interview with Jon Gosselin according to E! News. In the original story released by E!News, it was stated that “TLC has had him on a gag order and he’s sick of it,” says the source. “Jon basically comes right out and says he’s worried the show is ‘exploiting’ his eight children.”
That article has since been updated and Jon has now stated that:
“In response to our earlier report, Gosselin explains to E! News: “I’m not saying TLC is exploiting my children. But I do believe the media and tabloids covering my family and the show for their own financial gain are the ones exploiting them.”
The father of eight refutes claims that he’s biting the hand that feeds him, saying: “I have said on numerous occasions TLC has afforded my kids a better life and has helped provide a better roof on their heads.”
The interview is scheduled to air on Good Morning America in the next week, as well as ABC’s other news staple 20/20.
Update – This will air on September 8th.
There is now a short clip of this interview. Click here to watch.
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I was wrong. I thought Jon would be fired by now. I’m going to watch these interviews if I can. I doubt everything he says but I want to see and hear. There’s so many reasons I see him as a sleaze. I thought it was a dirty trick to bring all that attention and to keep blabbing during the 45 day agreement. The pap attention wasn’t there before his partying and leaving the school teacher’s house and he has done nothing but bring more. He seems pap friendly while Kate ignores them. There was a report of him out partying w/a pap and they left a party w/2 girls. Now, he’s saying the media is exploiting them. He just goes in circles. I think it’s so sad that they lost control of what the world can see. Now, they have no privacy in their own yard. They can either hide or move, neither are probably choices that Kate likes.
I do wonder if he’s starting to have some remorse now that he’s seen the other side of the fence. Really, he’s hard to judge because his behavior has been so unexpected.
OT of the interviews, but it was nice to see both J&K seeing the kids off to school. Hard to believe it’s news, but people seem fascinated w/this family. Still guessing, because I don’t know anyone who watches. But, everyone now knows who I’ve been talking about this last year.
I was at the pool about two weeks ago and started to bring up some Gosselin chat with my sister (two kids, married, same as me). She had NO clue who they were (and I think she reads back issues of US and People!).
I basically stopped babbling because I felt stupid. And Lily, I don’t know anyone else in real life who watches either. Maybe a show about the 4 million viewers and who we all are would be interesting, cause I wonder where they are!
I live closer to the Gosselins so I think that people may be more aware of them around here. Not that close, nobody sees them around or knows them, and it really did take a TLC show and unseemly behavior on Jon’s part for people to know who they really are. Most people lump Jon and Kate together in a “get off TV already” sort of way. I was in an doctor’s office today and that was the general feeling. TMI from the Gosselins. However, Jon absolutely draws the stronger negative reaction. People have started feeling bad for Kate and I have noticed some “haters” from my RL wondering if she’s been dealing with nine kids and no husband for years.
Lily, I agree that Jon’s recent behavior has been tough on the kids. I don’t understand what motivated him to take 4 friends and his mom to Vegas for a pool party, though? Is that supposed to be fun? That didn’t look like fun. Maybe he had fun. Who knows? It’s just such a foolish move knowing how poor his image is now after the “Summer of Jon.” Unless it’s much-needed easy money. And by “needed” I mean for child-support.
i live in indiana and i know a few people in real life who know who j&k and the kids are…several in fact. i haven’t heard any *get off tv* remarks..or any negativity except about jon’s recent behavior. i truly think that if jon hadn’t been carousing and bar-hopping in jan/feb they’d not be inall this spotlight mess they are in now.
Jon says TZLC put a better roof on his kids’ heads (?) but yet has also said the show is tremendous hard work and also that he does not want to do it any more, wants to be just Jon and not Jon and Kate plus 8. So I guess if you put two and two together that means that the kids can continue to put the roof over their own heads (and he will go to Las Vegas.)
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I don’t know anyone who watches the show regularly – I don’t any more, havent since some time in season 4, it was clear things were going to derail and just couldn’t take Kate’s treatment of Jon – but most people have seen it. I hear a fair amount of “enough of you, already” comments from regular people, and now on TV some negativity coming from the guests on Entertainment Tonight. The people who don’t watch much any more don’t do so in general out of protest but because it seems to have run its course somewhat, 4 or 5 seasons is a lot, the kids are older. The talking heads are more focused not on what normal people think and feel but on the media side of it – what Kate said on Larry King, what Jon said in some interview.
It’s like buzz about the buzz about the show pretending to be ‘reality’, it is getting too far removed. And yet no one seems to be focusing on doing anything positive but just dissecting the train wreck.
It’s interesting to see that not everyone knows people who watch the show. Cincymom, my sister was in town not too long ago and I asked her if she had watched J&K. She had heard their names, but switched the topic to Michael Jackson, no interest at all. 🙂
So busy w/back to school, probably like a lot of you. I thought I missed Jon’s interview w/GMA, but it was just preview. Here’s the link if anyone wants to watch.
In the earlier seasons, I remember Jon being happy w/the show and liking the crew around and Kate saying she did not. In the Utah interview, he was still talking like he loved it. It seems like it was around the book tours that things started to go down hill. Maybe he was one of those guys who didn’t like his wife being more successful than him, or jealous of all of the attention on Kate. The clip sort-of sounds like that. He has much harsher words towards her than she has said towards him.
I’m just entirely put out with Jon right now and I’m not interested in anything he has to say. Such a switch from a couple years ago- or so it seems anyway. Maybe he was always like this.
I just looked at their website because I got curious if they ever updated it with the new circumstances.
Still has Eight Little Faces listed as coming soon and the weekly pledge to list devotionals 52 times until Labor Day ’09 only has a few entries. I’m just a stickler, so would update the site and remove those items since they’re no longer pertinent.
It lists ways to contact their individual PR reps and includes the possibility for “Personal Appearances/Speaking Engagements, Endorsement Deals and Television/Film Opportunities”
I wonder what Television/ Film opportunities there would be? How far will they continue to permeate reality culture? Just curious.
I have no doubt in my mind those two are very different, but still love the kids. Just making different choices with the publicity than I would. I don’t understand the hate.
Sadly, this sounds like more whinning on Jon’s part. If he were so unhappy with Kate doing the book tour why didn’t he try to do something with his life. Partying is not an acceptable life style for a man with 8 children.
Jon needs to grow up, accept his responsibilities, and do something meaningful with his life . His kids need to be proud of him when they get older, or they will turn away from him.
i saw the clip…i hope to watch the entire interview when it’s on. i think jon was probably telling the truth. not that that is an excuse to cheat or go party like he did in jan/feb etc. but i can totally see kate, with her personality, doing what he said.
now maybe she needed to keep him grounded etc. but then again she knew the kind of guy he was when she met him. he was a *bad boy* with *no ambition* and i think at first it was fun for both of them. then when the 6 were born i think it was a have to survive mentality.
when the show picked up and they got more financially secure i think she took to it like a duck to water; she is witty and funny and pretty and was the natural one to be the speaker etc. i can also see her feeling self-important…but i think we could all have a great tenedency toward that given the scenario of the last 4 years.
with the book signings, speaking engagements i think it all got out of hand. i think they could have travelled together more often…even with the kids (with tutors) and eliminated a lot of what jon is talking about. i don’t know why that wasn’t something either of them thought of or if one did and the other didn’t want to or what but i think it could have been a solution for awhile.
i also don’t know, but my opinion is that kate wanted/wants a man to take charge and be the husband. i think she pushed and pushed wanting him to stop her and take charge. he’s so laid back that he let her make the decisions and rule the roost (so to speak). so i see both of them at fault on this one.
i also think if he had taken charge they wouldn’t be where they are. i think they would be doing the show as they used to but not have attained the monetary status they now enjoy. i think you have to have a lot of drive and ambition and he doesn’t…she definitely does.
the worst part is they let it get to the point he was talking about on gma. one has to take just as much blame for allowing oneself to take that kind of put down and allow her to go about as she wanted and make all the decisions.
i see them both as at fault…but i still don’t see them as evil and horrible parents etc. i think this same kind of thing goes on in non-famous families all the time. this family is just on tv and in the news so we see it more and form many opinions on their actions.
again, not saying eithe rof them are bad and evil just they have both made poor decisons for their family…and for a lot longer time than just the last 5 – 8 months.
I agree with most of your post, Kimmie. But, I think Kate’s ambition has gotten out of control and everyone is trying to backpedal now.
I personally don’t think either of them should be on GMA, The Today Show, Larry King, etc. discussing their divorce and each other. Period. I think it’s a bad idea, and this will be very damaging to the kids down the road.
However, I do think that if Kate has a right to refute the rumors on Larry King, then why doesn’t Jon? Kate has both directly and indirectly said negative things about Jon (Jon is an alien, I married a 14 year old).
To me the proof is in the pudding:
1) which parent started the media frenzy by going out partying and drinking;
2) which parent is working when away from the kids; thereby providing for them;
3) which parent had been in hot pursuit of multiple people of the opposite sex.
Oh, I agree that Jon is pretty tacky as of late. I hope this changes soon.
I just don’t think it’s Kate=Good, Jon=Bad.
There are a lot of contributing factors to the media frenzy: Jon’s new playboy thing, Jon’s befriending the paparazzi, Kate’s “attitude” reported by several sources, Kate spanking Leah, Kevin and Jodi, Jon and Kate’s multiple media appearances both in print and on TV. This is not all Jon, but he does have a part in it.
Angela, I totally agree both Jon and Kate should refrain from discussing their divorce, and each other, in anything other than very general terms on TV.
I think Kate has most of the time (not all) adhered to that standard. In fact, she was criticized by some on the LKL interview for having her “talking points” and refusing to share more.
Unfortunately, IMO, it’s really not a fair fight. None of us can really know what went on between these two, but it appears every time Jon opens his mouth he doesn’t help himself – he just digs a bigger hole. It should be noted too that he does have more questionable behavior of late to answer for than does Kate.
Obviously, we will see if this pattern continues when the interview is finally broadcast, but I would be very surprised if he ends up coming off well to anyone other than the rabid Kate-haters.
Is it possible to say about every commented posted above: ITA?
i don’t know angela…i don’t see kate back-pedaling at all. i think her sense of self-importance is growing. i think it’s a catch-22 thing really. IT SEEMS (cause i am the first to admit i don’t know anything personally about them) like kate had to be the aggressive one but it all got out of hand quickly.
like my son would say…she got the big head. and to some degree i agree with that. she started out doing what she had to to survive and then had people fawning over her, wanting her autograph, booking her for speaking and then it just went to her head and fed her ego.
some people have great ambition (kate) some do not (jon) but i don’t think either way is good…it has to be a balance in anyone’s life. lol hard to achieve.
This is never going to end, is it? Jon’s interview will be on next week, then the week after, Kate will have two days on The View to talk about it. And there will probably be a People magazine story or two in that time.
I don’t think either one of them has a big (or even interesting) story to tell. They both seem to have checked out of the marriage for their own reasons, and didn’t care enough to try to turn things around. They’re not doing themselves or their kids any good by hashing things out in front of everybody.
They have eight good reasons to try to get along with each other. Think of all those school events, graduations and weddings they will both be attending! (I’m kind of sad that they won’t be following the kids around after they leave home, as they once said they would.) Just get on with your lives, you two, and stop talking about each other.
i just read that tlc made both jon and kate cancel appearances. both were s heduled to appear at resorts (different ones) in atlantic city (kate on the 4th and jon on the 6th) but tlc forced them to cancel…it was on just jared. no reasons were given.
http://justjared.buzznet.com/
Angela, I totally agree both Jon and Kate should refrain from discussing their divorce, and each other, in anything other than very general terms on TV.
Me too. I think there’s dignity in keeping it private. Kate’s made her stance clear and I’m hoping the rest of her public appearances are just because she is a celebrity and not to discuss her divorce. I think it would be nice if Jon showed a little class and quit hanging out at the fence.
I watched the preview and I don’t know what to think about Jon saying he took a lot of abuse. I saw him being demeaned by Kate and he could get mad too. But, mostly, I didn’t like when he got digs in his passive-aggressive way. Like when he was the trainers and made a couple of derogatory remarks about Kate. I can’t remember what it was, just what I thought at the time.
There wasn’t anything I could say was abuse from what little we are shown. I’m fighting the urge to let it anger me on behalf of those who have suffered real abuse. Not knowing what goes on behind closed doors and in the ways abuse can happen, I don’t want to make further judgment. I might after I watch the interview.
Kimmie, I forgot to thank you for posting that. It’s interesting to see how much control TLC has.
🙂 you’re welcome…i just wonder why tlc cancelled them. especially kate’s. i doubt in that venue either of them would have been discussing their divorce. lol.
Well, tomorrow (or actually later today 9/4) I will be having my surgery to determine whether the “malignant looking lumps are breast cancer, post liver transplant lymphoma or Lord Willing…nothing at all! 🙂
I was starting to feel a little anxious tonight while packing for the hospital, so I decided to take my mind off of “things” for a moment and check in with my IW buddies to see what the Gosselins have been up to over the past few days.
As I’ve said before, this is the only site I trust because all of the others have such a crazy spin on them that it’s difficult to get accurate information. Hopefully I will be able to access you all via my cell if I have to stay in the hospital for very long.
Anyway, I’d like to quickly “weigh in” what first came to my mind when I heard that Jon was granting interviews and now talking “exploitation.” Does anyone else besides me think that maybe he is using the “exploitation word” as a tactic to get the GWOPers and Aunt Jodi’s following back in his camp? Because to me, it seems that everytime someone brings up that topic, an article gets written and makes news headlines. I’m also thinking that his CRAZY antics (Vegas party, etc.) of late are even a little too much for “the haters” to stomach, so now he’s trying to swing the “support pendulum” back in his corner. I don’t know…I may be totally wrong, but that was the first thing that popped into my mind.
I find it very hard to listen to or believe anything that he says and agree with those who feel that he is about as tacky and classless as they come these days. This “I took a lot of abuse from her” business is ridiculous. No, I did not approve of the way that she spoke to him, but how many countless times (and yes, Lilly in the Utah interview less than a year ago) did we hear him say things like, “yeah, we may be grouchy to each other, and we’re not into PDA, but what you don’t get to see is that there is always a resolution to every fight and then everything is great.”
I agree with everyone that these interviews need to stop because if they continue…it WILL exploit their kids as they become older and more aware of the press.
Ok friends…I’m off to bed because even though my surgery is not until 1pm CST, being a Mommy to my two teenagers comes FIRST and that means making breakfast at 5:45 a.m.
Oh well, at least I’ll get to sleep while under the anesthesia! ha! 🙂 Take care and God Bless You All! I’ll post again as soon as I’m able to move my arms and type. (BOTH incisions will begin under each armpit and go down about 4-6 inches…ouch!) Good thing God is in Control! 🙂
“Anyway, I’d like to quickly “weigh in” what first came to my mind when I heard that Jon was granting interviews and now talking “exploitation.” Does anyone else besides me think that maybe he is using the “exploitation word” as a tactic to get the GWOPers and Aunt Jodi’s following back in his camp? Because to me, it seems that everytime someone brings up that topic, an article gets written and makes news headlines. I’m also thinking that his CRAZY antics (Vegas party, etc.) of late are even a little too much for “the haters” to stomach, so now he’s trying to swing the “support pendulum” back in his corner. I don’t know…I may be totally wrong, but that was the first thing that popped into my mind.”
jacquelyn i think jon actually qualified what he said about exploitation; he maintains that it’s not tlc but the tabloids/media who are exploiting them. i think he is saying whatever he can right now to make himself look good/better.
Jacquelyn, hope you are doing okay. It sounds so painful.
I’m convienced Jon must have been miserable in his “family” situation because the way he acts now is unlike that Jon I watched on TV during the years. This Jon seems to have flipped a switch to another personality. I wonder now how they held it together, fake or not, for as long as they did. He really seemed to be dedicated, or maybe that’s what TLC wanted us to see. Deep down I think Kate was getting busy with her speaking, books, etc., and Jon was feeling left out. It seems he’s done about all he can to bring negative attention, for whatever goal he seems to be have. I’ve lost interest in the whole thing. Though the new shows are cute, it’s not the same and the obvious attempt to show Jon and Kate with the children individually, it’s not enjoyable for me. I wonder how many other’s miss the family interactions. I would rather see Jon off the show all together, maybe it’s time for the show to end. I think I’d like to see Kate in a different venue with maybe a special or two on how the kids are growing. Leave Jon out of it to do his own “reality” show, Divorced Dads, Deadbeat Dads, Drunk Dads or maybe Dating Dads, might be best for him. He can say the media is exploting his kids, but he and Kate made the decision to start it, they were just a cute family on TLC and he took it all in an ugly direction. I don’t care if Kate kicked him out, I think I might have to if this Jon is the real Jon she lived with.
i tend to try to believe the best in people…so i think they really did love each other and thought their marriage was forever…just like all of us. i don’t think they tried to have multiples for the $$ they hoped they’d get. i think kate wanted kids and tried so hard that multiples were the result.
i also think they still loved each other and were really trying to survive and be a family. i do think jon had a tendency to be irresponsible and immature…and i think kate knew that but was really trying to make him be the mature, responsible head of their home.
but as things got better financially and kate was thrust into an added career (books, speeches) i think it became clear to her that she could do things on her own and have jon home with the kids. i think this type of arrangement works out fine for certain people…but jon is a person who likes to have fun and be with adults and do energetic, sporty things…and for him to be home all the time like a stay-at-home-mom does was NOT for him. in that way and that way only i do think the show had a bearing on their breakup.
i also thinkt hat just like all of us hind sight is 20/20…and i think both jon and kate realize certain things could have been done differently.
that all being said, i loved the interaction of jon and kate as a couple…as well as the daily lives of the kids…they were so fun to watch. i don’t know if the show should end or not…i don’t think i have an opinion either way…unless it would be that jon and kate would get back together and we culd see them together in the episodes their family’s daily lives.i wish them well…
apparently jon had his family at the house with the kids this weekend. his grandma fell on the driveway, hit her head and a ambulance was called.
radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/jon-gosselin-opens-about-grandmothers-injury-shell-be-fine
i think this is wonderful…except i can’t help but have the feeling he is doing it to try to repair his image and to taunt kate. but i do think the kids will benefit from extended family.
a few weeks ago rol also showed some people i’d never seen (and have not heard it said) who they were. but it was an older couple and then a young woman also…i had hoped then it was some of kate’s family. again i think this is wonderful…not sure if kate was trying to use this for her image but i hope not.
maybe some good is coming to this family…maybe they are reuniting with some of their family.
Kimmie, thanks for the link.
I do think Jon is trying to repair his image and it is about time!
I agree with you, it’s really nice to see his family more involved in the kids lives. I am not sure if there was a divide there before due to Kate. If there was, this is one positive development in an otherwise unfortunate situation.
I like your well-reasoned posts and your positive outlook! 🙂
Here’s a preview of the interview tomorrow-
His family says the “real Jon”, the “warm, loving, caring, kind” Jon is back? He wasn’t those things while he was married and raising 8 children?
I don’t think he was “beaten down” by Kate, I think he went along with what she wanted to do because it was easier for him, because he didn’t have any plans for their future. If he really felt abused during the marriage, why was it Kate (according to him) who decided to end it?
And,I would think if he really felt he was abused in any way, he would be concerned about how it affected the kids, and about her possibly “abusing” them. I would like to see someone ask him about that.
sorry i posted this in the wrong place so i am reposting this here.
the continuing interview with jon appears to be very telling. here’s a rundown from rol
.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/09/gosselin-blasts-kate-says-she-refused-marriage-counseling
if what he says is true he went to counseling by himself b/c kate wouldn’t go. and he says the marriage ended when he stood up to her…about going out with his friends.
now i think he had a whole lot more opportunities to stand up to kate…about a lot more important things…
and he also said he always wanted to go out with friends but agreed not to go out with friends when she told him she didn’t want him to. that to me says a lot about him…i think it must have been very hard for kate to know that her husband wanted to party and not be at home…maybe why she chose to focus on her career. jon doesn’t say when this was taking place but surely kate knew by him always wanting to go out that he was reverting back to the party guy he was before she met him.
still not saying either of them are right over the other. just seems like they are two completely different people with completely different goals…and maybe jon really tried to be that kind of guy…the non-partying family man who enjoys being with his family…i don’t know. and maybe, if he had, kate wouldn’t have focused on her career as much…
because i think that kate was a real family person…she always wanted their family to be close…for it to be just them…for them to have family time, family traditions, do things together, etc. maybe when she realized jon wasn’t on the same page with her on that it hurt her.
he also says he cried so much the last several months. so i think he truly is sad he has lost something so precious as a cohesive family, but i am not so sure that he realizes that he could have had *fun* and been that family guy too. sad…
Who’s abused? Jon has an affair with a young teacher, lies about it and when caught, moves on. He then moves in with their friends and has an affair with their 23 year old daughter. Then, he ignores her for a weekend and has an affair with a reporter. During all of this he is photographed flirting with all types of women. He continually talks trash about Kate, which culminates with him calling her abusive. All of this done while the two are still married. In my mind, he’s been the abusive one. Remember the Crooked Houses episode? He was so mean and I’ve seen other episodes where he’s been “abusive” himself.
I do miss the family of a year ago, but you can’t go back. I love those kids, they’re so cute and would love to continue watching a show about their growing years. I just don’t know if that’s possible. However, I think Kate will land on her feet because she is such a strong woman and she is determined to make it out of this alive. I would watch a show about her, a reality show or talk show with her as host. I think she’s a very interesting woman and has a lot to share. Either way, I hope she has a future, because her children will need that. I doubt very seriously that Jon will be able to provide for them.
Susan, I agree about Jon claiming abuse. Demeaning and the back and forth he and Kate had does not qualify as abuse for me.
I am so glad I didn’t get up just to watch this interview. It was about 5 minutes and the rest will be on primtime tonight. They said it went on for 3 hours. Jon is not coming off good. He needs to just be quiet.
Jon said he cannot sit on the couch with Kate because he despises her. He accuses of her stealing his wedding ring without any proof. He said he sat it down and it was gone and none of the kids had it under their pillow so “who else?”. He said he could not spend time with his mom and his kids at the same time because of Kate. When cautioned about what he should say about Kate publicly because of his children, he didn’t seem to care.
After I saw the pic of him with the kids at the fence, it’s once again, hard to believe anything he says.
i’m actually just kind of shocked at what jon has said and is doing. then too, how does he think any of this is going to help him in any way? he needs to be thinking of ways to provide for his kids in the future…cause he is surely making certain that tlc is going to have a hard time keeping this show going.
and the very very worst part is what all this will eventually do to his kids…they are totally innocent and should be protected from this lind of stuff. and at least kate has enough love for her kids to keep her issues with jon private. she has never said mean and unkind things about him and their relationship in all of this break-up.
I just got a snippet of Jon’s interview on Entainment Tonight…. all I can say is Trash, that man has become trash. Even if he is speaking any truth, why, just why would you trash the mother of your children on national TV? Truly, what does he have to gain…. hurting his children. Does he really think taking Kate to the gutter is necessary? Heck, if he was sleeping around I’d take his wedding ring also, who cares cry baby. Oh, so mean of me, and truly I don’t know what happened in their home, but wow, he “dispises Kate”, really, what can be gained by that. He’s taking them down a very ugly road. If she was so “mean” to him, as he claims, just be happy your out buddy and move on, there are 8 little kids in the middle of this mess. Go buy another new car, have your 22 year old girlfriend, your Vegas parties, oh and maybe, just maybe think how to support your kids.
We should all start praying for those innocent kids that the decisions of their parents don’t destroy them. (and that the divorce seals up any remaining issues with custody, visitation, support, money….etc. so they don’t keep fighting the battle for years to come)
And on second thought, did he just give an interview a few weeks ago saying he wished he and Kate could remain friends….she’s the mother of my children….. always be their parents……Kevin and Jodi didn’t know what they were talking about. I swear this guy doesn’t know what he wants. Okay, done.
yes kat he sure did…and he also said a week or so ago that he loved kate as the mother of his kids and always would…now he hates her and can’t stand to be on the same couch with her. on july 4th he was with her at the house *for the kids*. and i think he should be making the effort to do so all the time…as should kate.
i don’t know where to put this but i just read this
thesuperficial.com/2009/09/kate_gosselin_offered_400k_to.php
and thought *my what are all the gwop’ers going to say about this!* they are constantly ragging on how kate has a horrible bosy and is *thick* and ugly…obviously not! lol.
i know…that is petty of me…sorry but it IS what i thought when i read it! lol!
well i just watched the interview. first thought: if they talked for 3 hours what did they cut? cause this is only 30 minutes or one sixth (!) of what they talked about.
second thought: he seemed sincere at times and then seemed like he was trying to push himself as the injured party. like when he said that after this interview he might be america’s favorite dad again.
i guess imo he should have talked more about himself and his feelings and not so much of *kate did this* and *kate did that* and putting all the blame on her and making himself a victim. seems to be completely different from his stance that he is standing up for himself and taking responsibility for his actions. as well as the insinuation that kate and her bodyguard were having an affair. that, to me, is hurting an innocent family without any proof at all.
if he’d have left those things out i think it would have carried a lot more weight as sincere and from his heart.
i also did not like that he talked about his dad and grandfathers being alcoholics. in all the years of watching j&k+8 this has never been hinted at…his dad was someone so close to them and even late always had warm and lovign things to say about him. i’m sure this hurts his family.
and i think the interviewer really really tried to guide him from saying things that would hurt the kids but jon wasn’t heeding the advice as at all.
finally i think jon has totally severed himself from the gwop’ers by saying that his kids are NOT forced to film and they aren’t being exploited. he actually said he refused to say that as it wasn’t true…so i really think the gals at gwop will have him on the same list they have kate on.
all in all i think he said a lot that was probably true, a lot that wasn’t and a lot that shouldn’t have been said…lol.
also wanted to say that jon was out partying BEFORE he was out with deanna hummel. he was shown out with college girls and the stories were going around about him partying with them at dorms etc. those things weren’t addressed either…
Kimmie, I was shocked when Jon said that his dad and grandfathers were alcoholics, too… Mostly because his father was a respected dentist in their community…How do you think his former patients felt hearing that (if they didn’t already know it?) Even if it is true, that really was not appropriate for public broadcast, IMHO…
“all in all i think he said a lot that was probably true, a lot that wasn’t and a lot that shouldn’t have been said…lol.”
VERY well written Kimmie! You summed it all up! Thank you for that. I just finished watching the interview myself and it certainly did not make me feel sorry for Jon AT ALL.
I was really glad that Chris Cuomo didn’t cut him very much slack on anything. Chris is a dad of a young child as well, and I think that he was genuine when giving Jon advice. The saddest thing was that Chris had good and meaningful insight to offer him; but Jon probably didn’t hear a word he said because he was on a mission… and that mission was to trash talk his wife (YES JON…you ARE still married!), cry abuse, and profess to the world that Hailey is his soulmate…that REALLY MADE ME SICK!
And what is all of this “Kate needs to speak from the heart” rhetoric that he repeated over and over?? What was that supposed to mean??
Yeah, I don’t know what the point was in saying that the interview ran into 3 hours, when in the end it was less than 30 minutes of actual air time.
It is funny though to think about how the GWOPers are going to try to put a spin on this against Kate without totally contradicting their “child advocacy stance.”
SO ANYWAY…While I know that addressing my surgery is wayyy off topic, I just wanted to thank everyone for your well wishes and prayers over the weekend. It was a MISERABLE weekend to say the least, but the surgery actually went well. The bad news is that they recovered 7 tumors in total from the lymph nodes and breast tissue (instead of the projected 3). This makes the likelihood of cancer and the fear that it has metastisized much greater, especially since I’m a liver tranplant patient X2. We should get the biospy results back tomorrow.
I just want all of my IW friends to know what a WONDERFUL ESCAPE it is to read through your comments, etc. while recovering. It always helps to focus on something…ANYTHING other than medical.
I too was surprised to hear that Jon’s father was an alcoholic. He could have been sober and in recovery by the time was Jon was born. I feel if Jon was going to mention it, he should clarify. That was about the only thing I believed that came out of his mouth.
He talks about Kate feeding into the frenzy, just move on..but, he takes his children to the fence where the fans and paps were. Kimmie, it’s on the other thread, there was no film crew. It looks like an impromptu moment where Jon took the kids out there, he was signing autographs. I think it’s the stupidest thing he’s done. Anyway, that’s one contradiction among many in Jon’s words and actions. I think he needs help to get it together.
He talked so fast and was whiny. I saw him as over-animated. It’s hard to see him act so injured when there’s 8 little kids to consider. He talks way too much about himself and nothing Kate has done justifies Jon’s actions.
Jacquely – sending good thoughts your way. 🙂
Please keep us posted.
Lily – I haven’t watched the interview yet, but your reactions usually match my own. It is interesting that alcoholism runs in his family. There is no denying that it appears Jon has been drinking quite a bit lately. I don’t know if he touches on that, but he should be (and I hope he is) vigilant about his family history…..
jacquelyn i am sorry to hear what the drs found…you will continue to be in my prayers as well as those of our church. my niece just got news monday that they are 99% sure they got all the cancer from her lymph system. there are no more tumors. she has had 2 surgeries, her thyroid and some lymph nodes removed. it broke my heat! she is so young! 28 with a year old son! but god is good and has given her a miracle and i pray he does the same for you!
thanks for letting me know that lily…so i guess jon must have allowed some of the paps to come in for better shots. sigh!
another thing that came to mind…he says kate kept him from his family and his family are so glad to have him back…and yet for all these months he has been partying, carousing and having a good ol’ time instead of first spending time with his family. it’s these little things that keep me believing the he’s only saying what he thinks the public wants to hear.
one last comment for the night…i was reading gwop and they are, for the most part, rallying behind jon and beleiving everything he says…someone even commented that chris c was mean to him in his interview. i think they must have all been drinking some special kind of kool-aid….
Just posting because I think a lot of people here are in a fight by themselves concerning another site. Pretty petty. Anyways my take on this is that THEY ARE BOTH WRONG, THEY ARE BOTH BAD PARENTS AND THEY ARE SELLING OUT THEIR KIDS FOR FINANCIAL GAIN. To argue who is less at fault is ridiculous.
“Kate abused me.” Yeah ok. YOU were the one who married her, dude… for ten years, no less. Most people would know better. I have no sympathy for him there.
He did seem very sincere when he was talking about his kids. I have no doubt that he loves them, but he’s not doing them any favors (neither is Kate) with these interviews.
I think he needs to do some serious soul searching right now. Priority reevaluation. Chill on the partying (because who really wants see a 30 year old father of eight out anyhow??). Do some charity work. Go on a walkabout (any Lost fans here?). If he wants to keep dating Hailey, then she will also need a serious image makeover.
trixie i don’t think they are both bad parents. on the contrary i think they are parents who love their kids who have made choices for their family they felt were right but who have made some very bad decisions of late that affects their kids.
i am not fighting *another site*. i just think that *other site* is so hate-filled and bashes kate for anything and everything and refuses to give anyone who disagrees a voice. i have tried to post and my posts were removed and now they aren’t even posting them at all…even when i agree with something. i’m all for intelligent debate but you can’t have a debate when certain voices are silenced…here we ca have any opinion we ewant and actually voice it. i appreciate that.
i don’t know that to have an opinion on who is more/less at fault is ridiculous. i think they both have been at fault a lot…but hey so have i as a parent and wife…i think we all have. i think we are expressing opinions. that’s ok…you expressed yours as well.
“Just posting because I think a lot of people here are in a fight by themselves concerning another site. Pretty petty.” posted by Trixie
Trixie, can you please explain further what you mean by this statement? Thank you.
OK, I just finished watching GMA’s 2nd (or 3rd?) installment this morning (Wed.) of Jon’s interview. It was pretty much the same from last night but there were a couple of new points (and then a couple more that I forgot to comment on last night):
-loves Hailey more than he loved Kate (IMO…NOT something the kids should hear EVER, but especially NOT on National TV!!)
-“she knows the truth, I wish to God she would speak from emotion, from her heart…just like I’m doing right now.” (Can someone explain to me what y’all think he means about this “speaking from the heart” business?? I just don’t get it.)
-“she broke my heart because I put blood, sweat and tears into our marriage and it was over like that…AND I HAVE NO ANSWERS (Didn’t Kate say at the beginning of their separation that she couldn’t get Jon to talk to her about what he was feeling or what was wrong??)
-misses the day to day routine (bath time, bed time, etc.) (Then don’t complain about being the “stay at home Dad” ~can’t have it both ways Jon.)
-biggest source of resentment – being betrayed as a father. (I do think that he was sincere on this one, but again, he’s the one that basically acted as if he didn’t care WHAT the public or anyone else for that matter. Therefore, he’s the one that got the whole ball rolling with his girlfriends, stories, etc. Kate certainly hasn’t contributed much to making him look bad…he does a great job of that all by himself.
WOW! All anyone can really do is pray for those kids that they will get stability in their little lives sooner than later.
In other news…Thanks friends for all of the prayers and well wishes. My heart is almost beating out of my chest right now as I AM STILL waiting for the doctor to call with biopsy results. It’s crazy because not only have I had TWO liver transplants in ten years, but in addition to that , the transplant scar is HUGE (an inverted Y that covers the abdomen) and has been reopened 6 times so really, I should not be this nervous.
I guess the point that I’m trying to make is that “liver stuff” is not scary to me anymore b/c we know ALL about it…inside and out. But, I guess since we know NOTHING about the “cancer” word, it is a case of “fear of the unknown.” Thankfully it is and remains in God’s Hands and that is what I have to keep going back to no matter what the test results show.
-”she knows the truth, I wish to God she would speak from emotion, from her heart…just like I’m doing right now.” (Can someone explain to me what y’all think he means about this “speaking from the heart” business?? I just don’t get it.)
I think he is referring to the almost rehearsed nature of Kate’s interview answers. Jon was very emotional during a lot of his answers. I don’t think it was an act, but I don’t think it was so smart to divulge everything that he did.
He also said something like what Kate says to him in private is what she should say to him on TV, and I don’t necessarily agree with that, either.
Did ya’ll catch how they went to see Dr. Phil? How they were only discussing the J&K brand rather than the dissolving marriage. That’s how you know that you have “made it”, I guess. Pretty pathetic, in my opinion. We just have to wait for Kate’s response now.
thanks Angela for explaining it to me! It does make sense know that you put it that way.
Also, totally disagree with Jon “about saying on TV what she says in private”…even my 14 year old daughter said, “that’s not right!” when she heard him say that.
I thing what is funny is the exact thing that drew him to her was the exact thing he was trying to get away from.. I think he got in a life rut and ran from it.. then when he started tasting a little freedom, and believe me it can be a good taste, he went overboard, now he thinks only of himself.. actions speak louder than words, his little playmate haley wont be there forever.. I know what goes on. I did it and I lived it.. Now I live with the guilt of knowing what I did.. the careless life , and disregard for my own children… Jon they will know and it will effect them.. believe me..
“Trixie, can you please explain further what you mean by this statement? Thank you. ”
You only have to look at previous posts to see. It really irks me when posters will pick a site to post on for their views, which is what everyone does, and then trash another site for their own views. Don’t like the other site? Don’t go there. Simple.
My opinion of why they are both bad parents. First and foremost that they expect their small children to provide for them. They need to provide for their own children and let the kids be kids without pimping them out on tv. A documentary is one thing, to have lights installed in your home and to have on tv very personal moments of children is beyond belief. Sure they won’t be able to keep a 1 mil + house but there you go. She’s a nurse, he had work as an IT guy. Get back to work both of you and don’t film a child who is constipated etc. Another reason I stopped watching loooooong ago was when both of them sat at the couch and just gossiped about each child. That went beyond belief. Now they are getting around PA laws to make sure those kids are still the money makers. Disgusting. The only reason they BOTH do interviews is to keep the story alive, you know no such thing as bad publicity. If they dropped the kids and only filmed themselves no one would watch. I don’t watch, I don’t buy mags with them on the cover etc. My job is a child advocate and therefor I stand with the kids and call bs on BOTH OF THEM.
Trixi,
“Just posting because I think a lot of people here are in a fight by themselves concerning another site.”
Could you please define your definition of a lot?
What qualifies you as child advocate? Don’t take it the wrong way. I am just wondering since you brought it up.
When child advocates scream at people, call them petty and ridiculous, and tell them what to say because they disagree, it sometimes backfires. I hope all children who need advocates are represented by calm, professional people who conduct themselves properly, so that justice is not delayed. Let’s agree on that.
trixie said:
It really irks me when posters will pick a site to post on for their views, which is what everyone does, and then trash another site for their own views.
at least here anyone whether their opinions are pro/con jon and kate are allowed to post…no one is banned and posts aren’t held in abbeyance for mods to decide if they are ok to post.
trixie said:
Don’t like the other site? Don’t go there. Simple.
the same applies to this site (as well as others) and to you.
people here are interested more in each others’ opinions and listening to the others’ opinions and why they feel that way…that is why everyone is asking you to clarify…they are trying to understand what and why you posted as you did.
trixie if you are referring to my posts specifically then i wish you’d say it to me and not form an opinion of this site based on my posts alone. my opinions are my own and i don’t expect anyone here to be responsible for them…i own what i say.
also, if you will read most of posts they are not pro jon or pro kate…i have said a lot that i think both have made bad choices/decisions but that i don’t think they are bad parents or should be ridiculed about everything.single.thing.they.do.or.say.
at least here anyone whether their opinions are pro/con jon and kate are allowed to post…
Yes, kimmie, thank you for noticing. We get more pro-Kate comments, as Trixie pointed out, but not entirely. The moderators of each site get to make the rules and enforce, or not enforce, the rules for his/her site. I don’t believe we have a rule against mentioning, criticizing, or defending other sites.
Not my style to bash another site.
That’s a good policy, Trixie. I respect that. Other posters may want to comment on another site, though. Feel free to defend the site, if you like. Gosselin discussions get heated, but we try to keep it civil here. Thanks.
Not pointing at anyone. I have answered your questions as best I can. I am a longtime lurker and decided to post. I gave my opinion and have not stepped on anyone elses.
he same applies to this site (as well as others) and to you.
I’m sorry have I remarked about anyone’s opinions? Have I called anyone by name? Please explain.
My purpose was to let off steam about the whole thing regarding both of the parents and their striving for media attention. We know the show is going down hill, the ratings keep dropping, we know 1 of them wants out, we know TLC is upset with 1 or both of them and have the PR in full spin. They don’t need our pity because they are doing it to themselves. I do think the kids need someone to speak for them legally. The kids are the stars of the show and I do feel for them.
To answer your first question, you will notice I won’t repeat the site, usually 1 posting of slamming a different website is against board rules.
I have read many posts over there slamming a fan site and calling the owner crazy because she is a fan.
After reading a couple of threads I do see merit about her hitting him. I had forgotten about that. In my book, no one has the right to hit another, and on camera yet.
I completely disagree, there is nothing abusive about the taps Kate and Jon participated in. Jon had no physical fear of Kate.
Many places besides this one, are slamming Jon. He is a national joke as a poor father due to his actions. I’m watching Jimmy Kimmel do it right now. Only the Kate hate sites seem to have the love for Jon going.
In regards to hitting, he didn’t like it, he told her to stop. Could be her way of being aggressive. That wouldn’t fly in our house. We don’t love tap each other. I find it disrespectful and both of them are disrespectful of each other. From what I saw before I stopped watching, and I realize these shows are anything but reality, they’ve had problems for years. In my opinion, this whole going back and forth in the media slamming each other is just a ploy. Who knows? They could be scripting this themselves. I wouldn’t put it past either of them to keep the money train running while disregarding the welfare of their kids. I will agree that he is a joke and I will add that she is too.
To add: when the tups were still little she had commented that she didn’t know why they hit each other. A little later we see her hit him. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out. I guess I’d better end with he is just as wrong to allow it and should have been an adult about it. Both of them are immature gold diggers.
Trixie, I Agree, they’ve had problems for years. I disagree, that hitting is a learned behavior. Little ones take right to it naturally, some do the same w/biting.
Clapping hard for Kathy Griffin. 🙂 The skit was so short but funny. I like George Takei. Her whole segment was a hoot.
It really irks me when posters will pick a site to post on for their views, which is what everyone does, and then trash another site for their own views. Don’t like the other site? Don’t go there. Simple.
Well, it’s already been said, but you may want to follow your own advice. All opinions are welcome here, but people trying to tell others what they can say is less welcome.
As for “another site”, at this point it’s not even that site, which has become pretty insignificant in the Gosselin debate now that the family is covered everywhere. For me, part of the interest in the family has always been the appalling amount of hate directed at Kate Gosselin, and the extremely personal nature of it. I continue to read (second-hand, granted) accounts of the twisted and tortured justifications these women give for Jon’s egregious behavior and it just makes me shake my head. I don’t feel the need to defend Kate by “bashing” Jon, but I also don’t agree that it’s “ridiculous” to state the opinion that Jon has behaved worse in public since the split than Kate has. I would not call either one of them bad parents or bad people but Jon has really been behaving badly and I think it’s fair to comment on that.
I also agree Jon’s actions of late have been self-damaging. As a stay at home parent, I understand the need to get out/to get away every once in awhile. The difference- I can go out w/ girlfriends & get a glass of wine w/o the media taking my picture. It must be very frustrating to not be able to just escape for a personal time out w/o everyone & their grandma knowing about it. On a previous episode Jon commented that he felt like he was in prison because he couldn’t go anywhere or do anything. My question– how does he think his children do or will feel? I think this whole show has become very unfortunate & has over stayed its welcome. I agree w/ a previous poster that there will be 8 books out in the future. I think there will be very different views of how their lives were, but I imagine they all have felt forced to be in front of the camera when they didn’t want to be. I’m not sure how anyone can deny that J&K are using their children for financial gain. Without the children their would be no show. J&K both have said they need the show to survive financially. Personally, I think every ounce of money that comes from the shows need to go to the children, not the parents. Oh well, just give it time, there will be “True Hollywood Stories” about this hot mess one day!
Trixie said, “They might favor Jon but this site seems to favor Kate and will slam Jon just as hard.”
The reason that I started participating and commenting on THIS site is because I believe it to be the most fair and balanced site out there. While we voice our opinions and vent our frustrations, everyone that I have ever seen participate in a discussion here does it respectfully and with regard to other’s feelings.
And no, I do not think that Jon and Kate are BAD people or even BAD parents, however, I do feel that they have made some very poor choices. Trixie, you have to remember that we don’t know what goes on behind closed doors (good or bad), however we do know that the Gosselins were at one time examined by CPS (child protective services); and obviously they didn’t feel that Jon and Kate were doing a horrible job or they would have taken the children from them a long time ago.
Lastly, you also speak of Jon and Kate gossiping about their kids in the interview chair.
I have to respectfully disagree with the notion that they were “gossiping about their kids.” I always felt that they were just describing the uniqueness of each child. And whenever they would say something that was a little unflattering, they would always follow it up with a positive remark about that child in love. I really do feel that they BOTH LOVE their kids!
What I think is SO damaging and detrimental to the kids is for “other sites” (that at least some of the kids will one day see) to make up horrible names to describe Jon, Kate AND the children…especially Hannah and Mady ~ AND THEN — — USE THOSE HATEFUL NAMES AS THEIR SCREEN NAMES. I won’t even post them here because they are so distasteful, but I’m sure you know what I mean.
Sorry guys to fan the flame, but I wanted to get my two cents in! 🙂
MODS PLEASE MOVE THIS TO WHEREVER YOU DEEM APPROPRIATE
just saw this but it’s on several sites; hailey glassman has dumped jon…the gist is because he cheated on her. i am not dumping on jon but after talking about how much he loves her…even more than his wife of 10 years and the mother of his kids?? i hate to jump to conclusions but my first thought is that it seemed to me to be clear he wasn’t telling the truth about stephanie santora and kate major…and all the pix of him with girls? he needs help…and i don’t mean that snarky i mean that seriously.
here’s a link:
idontlikeyouinthatway.com/2009/09/jon-gosselin-got-dumped.html
here’s what the link says:
This says that Jon gave Hailey a tour of his hometown today.
usmagazine.com/celebritynews/news/gosselin-and-glassman-2009109
Who knows with this crazy tabloids.
that makes absolutely no sense does it? i just heard on prime news something about this as well. i’m going to listen again and see what they say.
jane valez-mitchell and e!news is reporting right now that hailey did not dump jon at all. they are saying it’s all a rumor and they don’t know who started it.
Idratherpokemyeyesout: I agree with you!
This is a really good pamphlet we hand out and J/K could learn a lot from it:
mentalhealth.samhsa.gov/publications/allpubs/svp-0010/default.asp
It discusses how to model the behavior you want in your kids and about respecting all members of the family.
In my opinion neither J/K learned how to live in a family effectively. We can see the aggression in the kids that mirror what they see/hear at home. I realize that multiples tend to be more aggressive perhaps due to positioning in the womb. This usually does not apply to twins who tend to be the least aggressive of all sibling groupings.
About them gossiping: Maybe it is just me and my family but I would never, ever say anything negative about my children. If I’m not their biggest fan who will be? If our home is not their haven what will be? I certainly wouldn’t say it to tv cameras that will record for all eternity. If you tell a kid he is bad he will become bad because you have taught him he is. They may have said a nice thing but they clearly refered to one of their child “in a gay” fashion. They clearly often refer to another child as drama, mean etc. If they say it to a camera you can bet they speak it at home and you can bet the children hear them. It impacts the child and how that child is viewed by his/her siblings. If my husband and I feel we need to discuss one of our children we take a drive and discuss in the car in private. Can’t be overheard by kids or anyone sitting by us.
About investigations in family services and other entities. Not all adults who serve children actually like kids. Sounds crazy but it’s true. I might see a case and recommend parenting counseling and another might recommend child medication. You can see how the same case can have different outcomes. I am pro child but someone else might be thinking the kid should just be still and quiet to solve the problem. I feel I chose to have kids and therefor I owe them the best upbringing I can, the most understanding I can and the most respect for the child I can. Someone else might feel the child is their possession to do with as they please. I have a feeling that J/K feel the kids are their possessions and not individuals they owe the best of themselves. I only am on here when my son is in bed (2 daughters away at college). His waking hours are my duty. Me playing Runescape is something I do when he is in bed. OK to be honest we play together but when he is in bed I try to catch up to him lol.
With all that being said, I still think, and you can mark this down, that we will find out at some point that they (J/K) orchestrated this whole thing for financial gain.
Trixie, when you say they “orchestrated this whole thing for financial gain”, are you referring to the divorce? Because, if you are, I’m sorry, I think that is a vile accusation. Not to mention, I would think they would lose money on that, what with the extra houses, cars, and such.
Or are you referring to the old accusation, from people at other boards, that Kate “planned” to have beautiful, healthy twins and sextuplets, so that she could get a tv show about them and go on fancy vacations? Because, of course, it would be impossible to plan such a thing, not to mention, she would have had no way of knowing that all those things would happen. Are the McCaugheys and Dilleys rich? No, they pretty much only had things donated to them that they needed because they had all those kids at once, not extras, like trips.
trixie said:
With all that being said, I still think, and you can mark this down, that we will find out at some point that they (J/K) orchestrated this whole thing for financial gain.
kiki said:
Or are you referring to the old accusation, from people at other boards, that Kate “planned” to have beautiful, healthy twins and sextuplets, so that she could get a tv show about them and go on fancy vacations? Because, of course, it would be impossible to plan such a thing, not to mention, she would have had no way of knowing that all those things would happen.
yeah i don’t think anyone can plan or forsee how many children you will have doing iui. and also it has been said on the first special of their show that jon had to be persuaded to even try the second time. and he spoke of that so sincerely and she spoke of wanting more children so sincerely that i believe them.
i do think they may have researched how they could best support their family when they knew they were having the six. i don’t think they researched how to exploit or live off their kids but i do think they had to have tried to find the best way to support that large of a family.
i also remember that tlc approached them…and i believe that b/c look at all the publicity multiples have always gotten. not all families agree to have their lives documented publicly but i don’t think it makes them bad parents or guilty of exploitation if they choose to do so.
i cannot believe anyone (kate) would allow their spouse to do the things jon gosselin has done to boost ratings. i can’t see this as plausible at all.
I meant the current PR turmoil in both camps to revive interest in the show.
Lots of people have large families. They don’t pimp out their kids and install production lights throughout their homes. That’s a bit creepy. They don’t have to live in a million + house, they don’t have to take trips all the time, they don’t have to rent a large beach house…… Money does not buy happiness and does not raise your kids.
I don’t get why you want me to pick a side. I am on the kid’s side and this is not healthy for them and look what it’s done to their family. If their parents had to get up and go to work everyday to support them maybe all this would not have happened. Fame does not make for a happy household. Certainly not in their case.
I’m sorry but in my opinion, the way they speak about their kids the things they show to the general public etc makes them bad parents. I think both of them are used to the free ride this show has provided them and all the consumerism they could only dream of and by gosh they are not going to let that go. Both have already admitted the whole recommitment ceremony was a sham for the trip. They both make me ill equally.
Or are you referring to the old accusation, from people at other boards, that Kate “planned” to have beautiful, healthy twins and sextuplets, so that she could
Where in any of my posts to I even elude to anything like that? Sheeeesh! I don’t mind answering questions but don’t just make stuff up. I think Ihave been pretty clear and blame both parents. Here let me try it again:
I blame both equally! Neither is better than the other. Both are crazy. Those poor kids.
trixie i don’t want you to pick a side. you obviously have an opinion…that’s fine. i don’t happen to agree with you on a lot of your opinions…but that too is just fine.
where i have a problem is in being called petty, ridiculous etc for voicing my opinion. i may think you are wrong in your opinions and i might give you reasons i think so but in the end i’m not going to call you names for having differing opinions from my own.
it’s the nature of message boards/blogs to have differing opinions and comments/questions about those opinions. at this site the wonderful thing is that we can do that…w/o being censored or deleted.
Or are you referring to the old accusation, from people at other boards, that Kate “planned” to have beautiful, healthy twins and sextuplets, so that she could
Where in any of my posts to I even elude to anything like that? Sheeeesh! I don’t mind answering questions but don’t just make stuff up.
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she wasn’t making anything up. she was referring to your earlier post:
With all that being said, I still think, and you can mark this down, that we will find out at some point that they (J/K) orchestrated this whole thing for financial gain.
we were both wondering what *whole thing* you were referring to that j&k had orchestrated; using their kids to earn a living or the divorce stuff they are going through now. that’s why we answered/asked as/what we did.
Wait let me go back to the top and look at thread title……..
Jon Gosselin Talks to Good Morning America
Yep, I’m in the right spot, so we are to discuss the CURRENT Pr spin but yet once must imagine some other angle from left field?
Kimmie is it? I have not asked or refered to you once. I have not questioned anyone’s opinion and I stand by my remark of refering to other boards where posters have no idea what is being said. It is difficult to discuss something if someone is interjecting opinions of someone or others who aren’t even here. How can I say anything if I am to be compared to some other site I don’t even go to? To even go all the way back to the conception of the kids and to accuse me of somehow having an opinion of IVF is ridiculous. The kids are here, the parents need to find a way to support them, I post on thread dedicated to the current PR spin of the show ….How did we get all the way back to the conception of the kids? Where did that come from?
Let me try it one more time.
[according to thread title] I think the current spin from both camps is orchestrated by both camps to keep the show in the headlines. I think they are in peril of loosing the golden goose and are instigating the back and forth in order to gain ratings for the show.
Let me add that I think all children whether they are natural, adopted, or IVF or brought by the stork should be cared for and supported by the parents and should not have the job at the age of 5 or 9 to support the family.
Unless there is a discussion at the Catherby farm patch in Runescape on the topic, I have no other angles then the one presented at the top of the thread. If one of the fire giants at the waterfall dungeon influences me, I will let you know.
trixie, perhaps you are new to this Gosselin stuff, so I will give you some background. This site came from one called GosselinsDoNotNeedOurPity, which, you may be able to tell from the title, came about as sort of a response to a certain other website, which was pretty nasty to the Gosselins. So, yes, we do sometimes talk about opinions expressed elsewhere. It is allowed here.
Also, we don’t strictly adhere to the thread topics here. Sometimes we just post in whichever one is at the top, because it’s all Gosselin related. So, as you can see, it might be difficult to determine which “whole thing” you might be referring to.
As to that conception business, that’s crazy stuff isn’t it? But a lot of people believe it, so that’s why I brought it up. Glad to hear you don’t buy it.
Where did they “both admit” that the recommitment ceremony was a “sham”? I must have missed those interviews.
I’ve not seen them admit anywhere that the “recommitment ceremony” was just a sham. I’ve heard them say that at that time, they really thought they could turn things around and make it work.
Trixie, just one last thing that I would like to say and then I’m done with this back and forth discussion about something that we’re obviously just going to have to agree to disagree on.
THIS SITE has truly been a blessing to me BECA– — USE there are times that we vary from the original topic of the day/week and that’s OK. It has been so nice to have a place to go to where we can discuss our differences, respectfully disagree and then move on.
A quick example: I am a two time liver transplant recipient. For the past 3 months my doctors felt they had located and diagnosed breast cancer, which for me would have been terminal within months. Without having to worry that I was “not on topic” I had a place with “IW” that I could get the medical off of my mind and discuss the Gosselin Chatter for a bit; but also know that IF I needed to vent a little medically…that was o.k. too because this site reflects REAL WOMEN DEALING WITH REAL LIFE ISSUES and they are well rounded, caring and intelligent. They are capable of discussing A LOT of different things b/c unlike other sites out there, they don’t take issue and pull apart EVERY. SINGLE. PART. OF. THE. GOSSELIN’S. EVERY. DAY. LIFE.
THIS has been so refreshing to me and ALSO why it hurt to see that you used words like “petty and ridiculous” to describe our discussions over here.
BTW…to all who prayed, sent kind words, wishes and blessings my way THANK YOU because not one of the SEVEN tumors from my breast tissue were CANCEROUS!
I definately think they only thought they would get 1 more child or at the very most twins agains. I think their problems arose by getting a series. They were inundated with freebies, trips etc and it went to both their heads where they lost their minds in regards to the kids.
In one of their interviews when people were questioning the choice of filming the kids continuously, and prior to the announcement of seperation…..they interviewed somewhere defending the filming for it gave the family opportunities for vacations they could never take and they said something to the effect that even the Hawiai trip had to be scripted with the ceremony to make the trip appeal to TLC. I didn’t think much of it at the time but now we know that they seperated much closer to that trip than reported (not that I think it’s my business) it dawned on me that they went ahead with the script for the trip and not for the commitment itself. I don’t really care what the two of them do. I hope they can find a market for themselves and let the kids off the hook for the show. They should find a way to support the family without trotting out the kids. She has admitted to loving being on tv, so great. Just don’t use the kids as the stepping stone. He didn’t care for the show but seems to like to appear at events. They should have come up with some game plan to use their likes and connections to sever from the show and continue in another format to support the kids. If they lived in California or NY this would not be allowed to happen. PA is not set up to protect children from the entertainment business so they have a loop hole. I think we will find this hole closed at some point in the future. I fear that the damage has been done to the kids at this point.
Glad to hear all is well Jacquelyn!
jacquelyn i am so very very glad to hear your good news! praise the lord for his miracle!
i saw something about the trips/vacations. it was on one of the newer shows where jon and kate weren’t interviewing together and it was in the vein of how without the show they wouldn’t have been able to take their kids to so many places and give them so many opportunities to experience the many places and meet the people they have…and one of them said something like by going to hawaii the kids got to meet jon’s family they had never met.
i also think it depends on who you believe about the timing of the break up. i don’t know if i believe jon’s accusation that kate told him it was over in october. i guess it doesn’t really matter to them what i believe time-wise, but it kind of helps me put things said in perspective.
Jacquelyn
So very glad to hear it. Thanks for letting us know. I’m glad you and your and family can breathe a sigh of relief. 🙂
You can film children in CA or NY. Tori Spelling is a case in point. I’ve seen a number of those episodes and the children are in nearly every scene. I don’t know the hours that they are allowed to film in CA. I know that CPS stated that PA allows 3 hours a day, four days a week on camera. And since CPS has investigated and found no violation then the show is following the rules.
That is an issue that I have with the handful of folks complaining about exploitation. Interesting that its okay to exploit the Spelling children. I think they are looking for someone to pick on at Kate doesn’t have the Hollywood power that Spelling does. Either they are all wrong or no one is wrong. It isn’t just Kate G that is wrong.
I just want to make sure I understand this: Jon and Kate did not actually say the Hawaiin ceremony was a sham, right? That’s an interpretation of their saying that the recommitment ceremony was TLC’s idea, not theirs?
For the record, I believe Jon that something happened between them in October. That would have been more than 4 weeks before the Hawaiin trip because, I understand, the trip took place in August.
My point was that in states like CA and NY they have procedures in place to protect children. I wouldn’t use the children of Tori Spelling as a good example. Look at her messy life. She has no relationship with her mother or brother and is now repeating the same thing with her kids. Yikes! But at least in CA those kids have advocates to watch over them.
Well, I don’t think that constitutes admitting that the ceremony was a sham. Not having read the article, it’s hard to comment on just whose idea it was. I don’t know if J&K and the producers decide where they want to go, then find hotels and attractions to accommodate them, or if businesses invite them and they choose which places they want to go to. I know that their trips don’t usually involve a major “event”. They go someplace and do whatever is available (skiing in Utah, swimming, Disney World).
I don’t believe they wanted to go to Hawaii and just agreed to the ceremony so TLC would send them. I don’t think they would deliberately mess with their kids like that. I could be wrong, but I choose not to be that cynical. Maybe they just thought it would be a neat thing to do, maybe they were hitting a rough patch and one or both of them thought it would help them through it. Even if they were having problems at the time, that doesn’t mean that they didn’t think or hope that they would resolve them. Many people do resolve their problems, and many stay together for the kids, even if they don’t have a tv show.
And my point is that there are rules in PA as well. 3 hours a day, 4 days a week. That’s all. The $$ law is a Federal law so that would cover both.