Jon Gosselin has felt the need to clarify his previous Twitter with a new Tweet today.
On Tuesday 19th October 2010, @jongosselin1 said:
“Due to the overwhelming amount of questions, statements, false statements in the media, I would like to clarify a few things.
First and foremost, for people who did not watch Jon & Kate Plus 8, I stated years ago, and on television, that I no longer wanted to film and wanted my privacy back. This is not a decision I made lightly or without weighing all the factors involved. The negative effects on my family was my greatest concern and far outweigh any monetary gain we received. Today, my children are much older than when we first started. They are acutely aware their life is markedly different from their peers. They are six, and ten, and have to deal with the paparazzi! They can’t visit a public place without a crowd gathering to stare or people snapping pictures with cell phones.
Whether the children want to film or not is completely irrelevant. Children rely on the guidance of the adults in their life to ensure their best interest. Left to their own most children would not eat properly, visit the dentist, or complete their homework. Do you think a child would choose a day on the beach instead of attending school? Of course. Is this the best thing for them? Is it the child’s decision to make? Of course not.
I am acutely aware of the mistakes I made in 2009 and I am ashamed of the choices I made. I have apologized to Kate, my family, and to my friends. Through counseling I have learned to own my actions. My goal is to move forward in a positive direction.
Lastly, my children have experienced a lot of life changes in a short period of time; new home, new school, parents divorced, increased media attention, and much more. Obviously it would be short-sighted to declare that all of their current struggles are attributed to one factor. These multiple changes are exactly why I feel they need privacy, stability, and security. Filming and displaying their private lives at this time is not in their best interest.”
Really, I’m disgusted by Jon and his despicable actions.
They are acutely aware their life is markedly different from their peers. They are six, and ten, and have to deal with the paparazzi! They can’t visit a public place without a crowd gathering to stare or people snapping pictures with cell phones.
Yeah Jon and why is that??? Because YOU call them and make money off of them.
I’m so sick and tired of his antics, as I’m sure Kate is as well. We wouldn’t even be discussing their family right now if it weren’t for his actions.
Man up Jon! It’s not like we all know you are not the one writing your statements.
Radar On Line has a post up about it and in the post there is a statement from an anonymous friend.
Although a court order is in place preventing Jon to speak publicly, the father of eight feels Twitter is not a violation.
“Jon told me, ‘I don’t feel Tweeting violates my legal agreement,’” a close friend of Jon’s told RadarOnline.com exclusively.
“He said, ‘This is the best way I can reach people without publicly speaking.’”
Why say anything at all? Why make any of this fodder for the public to make comments. If Jon Gosselin wants his children to be left alone & kept under the radar the best thing he can do is to stay under the radar himself.
I have to say Jon sounds like a child with his rationale. A recent comment I heard from one of the kids in my house after a discussion overuse of the phone “You didn’t say I couldn’t text, you said “no more calls.” She knew exactly what I meant and was looking for a loophole. Jon is clearly looking for a loophole.
Last week, this is what Kate’s lawyer said:
“The court has previously entered an order restricting the parties from commenting on the underlying custody proceedings,” Momjian said, without talking about the specifics of the case.
I am thinking most judges (like most mature people) would consider sending out a Tweet as commenting. However, perhaps his next court order needs to define the word “comment” for Jon.
Paige,
I bet if Jon gets in trouble for this, his excuse will be that he wasn’t actually the one that “typed” the Tweet.
I bet if Jon gets in trouble for this, his excuse will be that he wasn’t actually the one that “typed” the Tweet.
It is still under his name/ID therefore he is still responsible for it, whether he wants to admit to it or not.
Had it been posted under someone else twitter account, then yes, he could put that excuse, but under these circumstances he has no excuses at all.
I cannot believe he’s bringing up the paparazzi. I’m speechless (almost).
What is hard to understand about family court is they want to see patterns. I bet Kate and the courts are giving him as much rope as he wants to keep running his mouth. I can’t imagine after Kate’s lawyer even made a comment about it being against the court order for Jon to speak that the judge is not fully aware of the comments he is making. I think TLC should just come out and say… Jon Gosselin is in contract negotiations. We will be dumping his sorry ass shortly, please stand by!
“First and foremost, for people who did not watch Jon & Kate Plus 8, I stated years ago, and on television, that I no longer wanted to film and wanted my privacy back. This is not a decision I made lightly or without weighing all the factors involved. The negative effects on my family was my greatest concern and far outweigh any monetary gain we received”.
What Jon left out was he decided he wanted his privacy back only after he was caught with the college volleyball team and the school teacher. Despite stating this, he still signed a contract and was filmed separately with the kids after he moved to New York.
He also left out that when he stopped the kids from filming it was only AFTER it was announced that J&K+8 would be re-launched as Kate + 8. Here is the link to the court documents from the TLC lawsuit for breach of contract against Jon.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/10/tlc-files-lawsuit-against-jon-gosselin
It states that after it was announced that Jon would no longer be filmed but would still be paid his lawyer contacted TLC and demanded he be released from the exclusivity provision of his agreement, which would let him continue to collect money from TLC as well as money from other appearances. If this was not done in one hour he would stop the kids from filming.
In his August 29, 2010 radio interview with Rabbi Shmuley when the rabbi asks Jon if he wants to take them off TV Jon replies “I do BUT. There’s ramifications, I want to do what’s best for them, WE’RE IN DISCUSSIONS, we’ll see what happens.” If he really wanted them off TV there would be no discussions he would have said NO. Here is the link to the interview http://podcasting.fia.net/5145/4457750.mp3
IMO, Jon has proven once again that he has a problem telling the truth and really only cares about himself. If he wanted privacy for his children he would not tweet anything about them. He would also make his girlfriend shut her mouth and stop communicating with hate sites.
Due to overwhelming response from TLC and probably his lawyer for Jon to shut the heck up he needs to clarify. What a dweeb. Tweeting isn’t going against the judge’s orders? Again I reiterate, what a dweeb.
“Jon told me, ‘I don’t feel Tweeting violates my legal agreement,’” a close friend of Jon’s told RadarOnline.com exclusively.
“He said, ‘This is the best way I can reach people without publicly speaking.’”
If Jon really said this, it just goes to show you what a moron he is.
However, I would have to say that overall, this tweet is much preferable than comments he made in the past. He doesn’t bash Kate, it appears that he put some thought into it, and maybe that’s how he really feels which, if he’s sincere, can really be a positive change.
If nothing else, I hope he takes this statement to heart –
These multiple changes are exactly why I feel they need privacy, stability, and security.
– by getting a job to support his family so they don’t need to earn income from the TV show, getting a permanent home that can fit the whole family, and stop tweeting about their family issue so it is dealt with privately.
Jon just figured out that kids know what goes on around them? They know that from birth. I don’t understand how a guy with so many kids can be so clueless about children.
There was no scandal and paparazzi until you got caught running around on Kate, Jon. You drew the paparazzi with that and trips with young women before you were divorced. Prior to that a documentary had provided income for your large family, and more benefits followed when it became a regular program on TLC. Only people who watched the show knew about you.
Bingo – CW
I had no idea who Kate Gosselin was when I started seeing their stories pop up on the internet. I ignored them at first… then there were so many stories my interest caught. THEN I watched the show. First season I caught was the divorce season. Does anyone wonder if he went crazy on purpose to drive his family’s worth higher?
ha nevermind.. that would imply that Jon can and does think about the future!
Jon settled the lawsuit in late January/early February so technically allowing filming is a decision he made less than 8 months ago. So what decisions is he regretting? Saying he despises Kate? Going to France and partying? Hanging out any where but PA? Trashing his own apartment and blaming his ex-girlfriend? Televising picking up a cake with his daughter’s name misspelled? Calling his ex-wife an absentee mother because she was on Dancing with the Stars? Getting a huge-ass tattoo with his new girlfriend’s name on it? Tweeting expressly against a court order not to discuss the contents or outcome of a court hearing? Oh, wait, several of those were this year (like last week) and the list could go on and on. Jon when you find yourself in a hole stop digging!
First and foremost, for people who did not watch Jon & Kate Plus 8, I stated years ago, and on television, that I no longer wanted to film and wanted my privacy back
Years ago? What he said and what he did are two different things. Good grief, they have him on the show at the fence w/a couple of the kids yelling at him they want to go.
I seriously doubt that the judge is going to buy that Jon has a right to twitter. The point was to keep this family matter private. Contempt #2. I’d say Jon’s in trouble.
I just want to mention that if you post more than one link, your comment will be held in moderation until we see it in the dashboard and put it through. It is just the way the site is set up to prevent unwanted spam.
Thanks,
Now I hope Kate makes so much money that she can buy Jon a life so she and her kids can have one without his antics. I doubt that he’ll ever make one for himself.
Contempt #2. I’d say Jon’s in trouble. ~me
Could be more than #2. I wonder if the judge is going to hold him accountable for Ellen’s public call for a boycott because of the judge’s decision to grant filming rights to Kate.
“I cannot believe he’s bringing up the paparazzi. I’m speechless (almost).”
It’s like when Jodi/Kevin complained about the kids being talked about on the internet. Look in the mirror, people.
I wonder if he ever did apologize personally to Kate, etc? Yeah, probably not.
I think all the craziness of the last year and a half has been lots more damaging than the filming ever was, and for that reason I would rather they not film anymore. I wish Kate’s show would start, and be successful,and Jon would get some kind of job,then maybe the drama would die down. At least, if the issue of the kids being filmed was gone, Jon would become even less relevant.
Sue I would like to address one thing. Jon did in fact in this latest Twitter in his passive aggressive manor did attack Kate. Jon says, “Do you think a child would choose a day on the beach instead of attending school?”
This is one of his passive aggressive comments geared toward when the kids missed a few days of school to go on their trip to the beach. If you don’t think that was meant for Kate you are sadly mistaken.
Then what’s with this new home and new school crap? The kids have been there for awhile and most certainly long enough to be more than adjusted.
Take note that Jon’s tweet and the article on ROL came on at nearly the same time so Jon notified ROL as he was sending out his Tweet just so it could go public. Then Jon in his limited mind capacity thinks it’s not putting out to the public because he Tweets it? He can’t be that dumb. Then lets be real here. Do you ever see pictures of Jon and Ellen for a very long time without the kids? No you don’t. It’s only when they have the children and they alert the pap through either Jon or Ellen’s Twitter that they have the children. Then after the message gets through they delete their comment on Twitter. Seen this many times.
If Jon really wanted privacy for his children then he would never put this stuff out to the public. Now he has defied the court order not once but twice now. He is leaving the judge without any alternatives but to jail him for defying the order. I just hope Jon isn’t allowed to take his cell phone so he can Twitter from there.
If Jon doesn’t want the children filmed then he should get a job that would be able to support his children BEFORE he tries to pull the rug from under them. That would be in the best interest of his children. Jon needs to stop talking and start doing first. It’s repeat and repeat with Jon.
My guess is that Jon had some help writing this.
I hope he is sincere (this time) and is able to stop the filming.
A reasonable compromise would be to continue with a yearly special.
When were the kids taken out of school for the beach? Last year? I thought this years filming at Bald Head was before school started.
Maybe they were taken to the beach last year during school because the you know what had hit the fan concerning their marriage. Kate said this year that trip was when she first started looking for a divorce lawyer. Im sure there are tons of families that let kids miss school for vacations. My mom let me miss school when the Dallas Cowboys won the Super Bowl!
I think he’s referring to the filming of the tups at Disney for their birthday show.
Garnet, Kate should not have to obey what Jon wants. He chose his life, leave her and the kids alone. He never thought of his children in the last year or so, and now everyone knows what he is up to. He no longer gets a pass in life. He gave up his custody rights for Kate to be the primary parent to make the decisions for them.
Jon is screaming in a nice way, I am broke. TLC owes him nothing and hopefully they will just let him rant, as he lies all the time. Kate is moving forward, and Ellen will be stuck paying Jon’s bills. She and the BL have sunk Jon’s hopes for any future in TV.
Ellen needs to get off twitter and do her gov job. According to reports she is blogging and twitting during the work day. I hope she loses her job for the stupid stuff she is involved with. If this happens, you can bet, she will dump Jon and sell her story for a couple of million dollars. Again Jon, will be left with nothing.
Jon is the father. Parents should agree on these things, or they should not take place.
Jon acted very poorly, he’s acknowledged it. Ellen is lovely young woman and I’m glad the children have someone else in their lives that cares about them.
I believe Jon will be successful in getting the show off television if he is patient and behaves himself.
Kate can work on all those fantastic opportunities that are awaiting her on her own.
Sylvia Lafair is the Twitter author & ‘close friend’. Judging from her prior defense of Jon on Radar…Jon should have finished his 4 Part Course w. her. Jon’s book is due out in March…it would appear he has a LONG way to go before he rewrites his history as a spokesman for leadership in being the best father, ex-husband, son, boyfriend, employee, friend et al!
I agree, Jon has a long way to go.
But we must remember even if he’s not the best father (yet) he is the father of these children. His beliefs about how to raise his children should be given equal consideration.
Garnet – Why do you think he should have the right to stop filming? And why do you think you have the right to decide they should only film yearly?
It is obvious the kids like filming since Jon stated “Whether the children want to film or not is completely irrelevant”. If the kids were bothered by the attention in public they would not want to film.
They filmed them going on vacation a few hours a couple of days each trip. They had days to themselves. They got to do go places and see things they never would if not for the show. How does this hurt them?
I don’t believe I have the right to dictate what should happen with these children.
Jon and Kate are ones who need to determine what is best for their kids.
It’s frustrating when people act as if these are Kate’s kids. The children have two parents, and they need to work this out in a manner that both parents agree with.
Garnet said….Ellen is lovely young woman and I’m glad the children have someone else in their lives that cares about them.
What are you basing this statement on? The fact that she tweeted her delight with the video that called Kate a whore and said Kate tricked Jon into having all the kids? Or maybe when she tweets where the kids are and then deletes the comment? Or the tweet asking for support to boycott Kate + 8 and their sponsors? Or the facebook message she sent ZIrene, the physco kate stalker, stating Jon had contacted Paul Petersen? Or that she follows and corresponds with sights that hate the children’s mother? Or is it the example she is setting for the kids by sleeping over night when Jon has the kids?
With all Ellen has done publicly, I am afraid of what she is whispering in their ears about their mother in private.
IMO, she proves she does not care about the children every time she speaks publicly about the kids.
Jon is the father. Parents should agree on these things, or they should not take place.~Garnet
That is giving too much power to a parent who can be vindictive and not thinking in the best interest of the child. That’s why these things go on in family court. They decide on lots of things divorced parents can’t agree on.
Perhaps, when older some of the kids will want to go into the business. Not, just in front of the camera, but maybe some will like to be behind the camera. The screamers (and Jon) are the ones causing all the hoopla and attention on the children, who only filmed a few specials this summer. They’re protected by the work permits. There’s no reason for all this sensationalism.
I hope Jon has contacted Paul Peterson. He’s been far too lax in not stepping up and doing what he believes is correct.
Ellen really is a nice person. She said a few things she regretted. She’s not alone in that.
Garnet said…His beliefs about how to raise his children should be given equal consideration.
The problem with this is Jon’s beliefs change as he changes girlfriends. In April 2010, after the Kreiders testified at the child labor hearing, Jon stated filming did not hurt the kids. Now that he is with Ellen, who does not agree with filming, he changes his mind. She has no say and never will.
As in other divorce cases, when the parents cannot agree, a judge makes the decision. The judge has done that.
Jon stated he has not be able to get a job. How is Jon going to support the kids if they stop filming?
Garnet said…I hope Jon has contacted Paul Peterson. He’s been far too lax in not stepping up and doing what he believes is correct.
What can Paul Peterson do? The kids were issued work permits so they are bing filmed within the law. IMO, Paul Peterson jumped on the Gosselin bang wagon for publicity. If he tries to but in I am sure the judge will tell him to get lost like the California judge did when he and Alred tried to interfere with Ocotomom.
A judge has ruled they can film. Nothing else can be done until he changes that ruling.
Lily, you have a very good point.
Parents can and do use children like pawns in a divorce.
I think Jon had better be sincere about this and continue to actively work to get the kids off television IF he really thinks it best.
But we must remember even if he’s not the best father (yet) he is the father of these children. His beliefs about how to raise his children should be given equal consideration.
The idea of equal consideration of beliefs is very difficult to implement in many divorce situations. Not every issue has a reasonable or workable compromise. While filming kids for a reality series is a rare situation, there are lots of issues that parents can have fundamental disagreements about.
For example:
1) a child is diagnosed with ADHD and one parent wants the child to take medication and the other is vehemently opposed. There is not compromise on this … and one parent has to have the final decision making authority.
2) one parent wants to homeschool the child (children) while the other is against it. There is not a compromise on this – the children either attend a school or they don’t/
In the Gosselin situation, I don’t see a compromise. If Jon is sincere, even a once a year special, will keep public focus on the children. Since the parents disagree, one has to be given the authority to make the decisions. The judge gave Kate this authority for reasons we are not privi to and Jon is publicly protesting it. Given what Ellen has said, they are trying to leverage to get the show cancelled so that Kate’s decision making authority is null and void.
Ellen needs to mind her own business. She is using this to get attention. She is nothing to those children and her stepping into the Gosselin business and joining Kate hate sites shows she is not a nice person at all. She is interferring in parental rights plain and simple. Kate is one of the parents and Ellen is sticking her nose into something she has no business in. She is Jon’s girlfriend, that’s all. She has no idea of what she is getting herself into and one day she will regret it just like all Jon’s other twenty something’s have.
Paul Peterson is also going to ruin his career by stepping into this. The target if ONE Family and that’s what this is about and if Peterson is fool enough to get into this then he can kiss any hope of what he was trying to accomplish right out the door. California has already told him to shove it and so will all others if he continues on stepping into one particular family’s business.
Just like a year ago we have a group of Jon’s “buddies” giving him bad advice and telling him what to say and do for their own personal agenda to get their names in the media. I wanted to give Ellen a chance but by her doing what she has done it’s clear that the original statements from her old friends was right on target. Ellen is after fame and fortune on the backs of the Gosselin children. Well I guess Hailey now has a reality show because of her involvement so now that will be Ellen’s next agenda. Everyone is using everyone in Jon’s camp for their personal agendas EXCEPT real concern for the children and they will come out the losers because their dad once again will fool the public who are foolish enough to believe him. Repeat, repeat.
Garnet, that’s where Jon loses me. I doubt his motives.
Wrong or right, these kids have just as much right to be on tv as other children. I know it’s different than acting and it’s their own lives being displayed. Reality tv is here and I’m all for better laws to make sure they are compensated and have restricted work hours. But, the decision to participate is up to the parents or in the case of a divorce like this, the court. Wife Swap is much more personal than K+8. I only remember one incident of the new show that was a little personal. That was Mady being upset at the extent of the birthday celebration for the sextuplets. The only reason I remember that, is because I blog about them.
Paul Peterson should not be involved in this. I’m not sure why he’s still interested since the children are protected by work permits. He stated in the last hearing that he didn’t want children off reality tv. Just stricter laws.
Paige, those are great examples of issues that are important where parents can disagree.
I guess I would want professional opinions. The ADHD child should have notes from teachers and a doctors statement that medication is important.
The parent who wants to homeschool should prove they can offer something better than public school if that’s the issue.
The parent who wants to film their children for a reality tv show, should have therapists and close family and friends to speak out as to why this is not harmful.
In each case the onus should be on the parent who wants to add or change something the other parent disagrees with.
I’m sorry as I had hoped Jon would change but he obviously is back to his old tricks. Does anyone think that there is a judge anywhere that would consider Jon to be a fit enough parent to make decisions for these children? Any parent that not only once but twice in a week defies a court order and has a history of defying court orders will not be deemed as a parent qualified enough to make decisions for his children. Judges are very experienced with many people and they can after sitting on the bench long enough, they can tell exactly who a person is and what their intentions are within a very short time span in court. The judge has already decided that Jon’s arguments were nonsense and he has made the decision and Jon better start obeying court orders or his children will be visiting him from behind those iron bars sitting in jail. This is not Kate’s fault but Jon and Jon’s alone because he still has not learned what responsibility is and still thinks he has to reclaim his high school years. What a shame.
I think it’s wise for everyone to doubt Jon’s motives.
His opinion is not quite equal to Kate’s IMO, due to flip-flopping around with this issue. I could be wrong, but isn’t this the third time since the separation that he has said this?
That’s why I’m hoping if he is sincere he will stick with this. If he’s not, then we’re going to hear on-again, off-again rants when he wants something.
I don’t want to jump on Garnet but it is pretty common in the DR courts to have one parent designated as not only residential parent but the ultimate decision maker. Ideally, the parents would talk about major decisions but there is quite often deadlock (divorcing parents often are blinded by their own agenda and cannot see what is in the best interests of the kids). When the parents can’t agree someone has to have the authority to make decisions or there would never be a decision made. I think Paige points out situations that are non-petty, potentially life changing decisions that are great. I see more who gets to decide the after school activities, who gets to decide if a kid gets braces, who gets to decide when the girls get ears pierced, who decides when the kids get hair cuts (yes, these are all examples of situations that have arisen in my practice where this particular issue was the last straw that sent us back to court to designate a default decision maker).
Jon seems much more stable to me these days and he is in a good relationship, living close to kids.
These positive changes lead me to want to give him another chance. Besides, I do remember that he wanted to stop fimling at the end of season four.
Garnet said…The parent who wants to film their children for a reality tv show, should have therapists and close family and friends to speak out as to why this is not harmful.
Why do you think they need other people to speak out that it is not harmful? The only ones that should be involved are the parents and judge, as they were. For whatever reason the judge RULED for now that Kate gets to decide if the children are filmed. The court has spoken and also said the proceedings were to remain confidential. So if Jon had done what the law said he should, no one would know that they went to court!
So you see it is Jon that has compromised the kids privacy.
I had no idea divorced parents fought over such things a a hair cut.
I feel sorry for the Gosselin kids, they never asked for any of this. I wish both parents would work together on helping their children.
I suspect that this is a child therapist on the Gosselin case and that’s exactly what the judge is going by and his previous experience with Jon in court. Kate did say the children were seeing a therapist last year to help them through the divorce and maybe this is the same therapist that is informing the judge what his/her opinion as to whether filming is harming the children or not and other issues involving the children. It wouldn’t surprise me at all because Gloria Alred as was her daughter Lisa Bloom each said they were going to look into it and they stepped out quite fast because I suspect she found there already was a representative in place for the children.
Garnet – The only reason he wanted to stop filming is because he got caught drinking and partying with the college volleyball team and then the teacher, Deanna. He said he did not want his kids to google his name and read things about him. He never said it was bad for the kids. It appeared he wanted to continue recovering his lost twenties.
But obviously, those were just words that were convenient at the time as he did sign the contract again in 2009 and again in 2010.
Until Jon gets a job and provides a place where all the kids have beds, I will not consider him stable.
Garnet in a perfect world ALL parents would get along and agree on everything but sadly statistically I believe that most do not. Thankfully I’ve heard of divorced parents though that do agree and make it easy for the children. Sadly in this case I doubt there will ever be agreement between the parents. Jon is very apparently on a revenge road as we’ve heard about in other divorces but Jon has stepped it to the highest level and as long as he has mouthpieces like those he surrounds himself with such as Ellen, Lohan, Heller, Hailey and all these people that have already been through his life and all have left except for Ellen and they all have a bitter taste in their mouths after doing business with Jon Gosselin. Ellen and I’m sorry and I know you will disagree but don’t be surprised when this latest stunts fails you may see Ellen too running for the hills just like all the others have.
Sue I would like to address one thing. Jon did in fact in this latest Twitter in his passive aggressive manor did attack Kate. Jon says, “Do you think a child would choose a day on the beach instead of attending school?”
This is one of his passive aggressive comments geared toward when the kids missed a few days of school to go on their trip to the beach. If you don’t think that was meant for Kate you are sadly mistaken.
Joy, that’s an interesting point. I haven’t kept track of the show to notice how the comment could be meant. I hope though that this Twitter is a side of the more responsible Jon. Only time will tell.
Garnet, how do you know Ellen is a very nice girl. Have you read what she has said about Kate and the ugly stuff that she laughed about on the BL site. I would hope as a parent, someone like Ellen would not be involved with my children. She is 23, knows nothing about children. 8 personalities coming at you all at once would be very hard to handle on a good day. She has never paid a bill for these children, been there in their house, school activities etc. Buying a hotdog and going to an arcade for entertainment is not parenting.
Asking for donations for Jon to pay for a lawyer or whatever it is for, is just wrong. He blew thousands of dollars over the past year or so.
Kate stood up, took all the responsibilities for the children, while Jon went to live his 20’s again. This is about JON, not his kids. When your broke, you throw the bait out there again, the kids.
Kate will do what is best for her kids. Jon sadly thought partying and sleeping around was more important. I can see one affair, but after 5-6, no free pass anymore.
Jon gave up his rights about certain things concerning his kids. You can’t go back and whine now.
Why are people yelling for Paul Peterson to get involved in a custody issue?
If Jon was serious about looking out for his kids he should have hired a proper divorce attorney to make sure his rights were protected. At the time of the divorce Jon had a rich girlfriend and was in Utah.
Wow!
You know what jumped out at me? This part:
“Whether the children want to film or not is completely irrelevant.”
I think the children have chosen to film! This is as good as an admission from Jon that his kids disagree with him.
I’m amazed he said this.
Would the children have been asked this by the judge? Anyone know?
Paul Peterson will shout for child advocating to sell his own TV DVR’s from his time on TV. He is nothing but a double standard in life. Mr. Peterson was hooked into this deal by a Kate stalker who traveled 2000 miles to be at the hearing who had no input regarding the G’s kids. Go look at the kind of posts she has said about the G’s kids. They were down right vile and nasty. I highly doubt PP will get too involved with Jon, as Jon has now gone against a court order again. He also sat beside Kevin and Jodi at the Murts hearings, which after the fact, what K/J said were some total untruths. I’m sure PP has received several posts from some of these people who have stuck their nose into K/J business.
Jon cannot keep a lawyer gf,or family member to step up and help him too long. He defies court orders, advice, the kids privacy, etc. Ellen should not involved with saying anything. She will probably learn a very hard lesson when to step back from Jon and let him hang himself. The law is much bigger than she is.
Asking for donations for Jon to pay for a lawyer or whatever it is for, is just wrong. He blew thousands of dollars over the past year or so.
WHAT??? Who’s doing THIS? Is Jon asking for money now?
Anya it’s entirely possible that the judge might have gotten an affidavit from the children as to their feelings on filming or if they do have a therapist representing them that person would know how they feel. I’ve seen at least on TV that in child custody cases a judge will very delicately ask a child questions. Six hours in court was a long time so it might be possible. Of course we will never know unless either parent says what happened in the courtroom but I truly hope that never happens.
I believe that is Ellen asking on behalf of Jon. Oh my how or who can keep her out of the Gosselin business? She isn’t a lawyer, she isn’t a therapist, she is just Jon’s latest flame and she has and nor did any of his other women have any business sticking their noses in Jon and Kate’s business.None! Oh that’s right she is an on line advice columnist with no degree and limited experience. Ask Away LOL
Kate said the kids needed therapy early this year (People interview) and I hope she’s gotten it for them.
Jon and Kate need therapy together, as well, IMO. They need to find a way to tone done the anger and concentrate on the kids. They’re the parents, and plans should be made together. If either of them remarry, the step-parent should be respectful and respected, as well.
Ellen is NOT asking for money!
Jon really believes in privacy for his children doesn’t he? It’s his night with the girls and he Twitters, “Tonight was PIZZA NIGHT!!” and then Ellen twitters she will be there soon. Come on Jon if you want privacy for your kids, get rid of Twitter, shut down your new photo album of the kids that anyone in the media can copy and paste from and most certainly don’t twitter about every darn thing you do with the kids. Sadly Jon talks inside one side of his mouth and out the other.
Garnet she did as a matter of fact the other day. So did she delete that now after flack for it?
Ellen asked for money? Who is collecting it?
Garnet it isn’t Kate that needs therapy it’s Jon. Kate has been so in my opinion over the top patient with his antics time and time again but sadly Jon seems to be hell bent on a path to destruction. In the beginning of the separation Kate wanted marriage counseling but Jon said only if they went to his current therapist at the time. Well if anyone knows anything about marriage counseling you do not go to a therapist that one partner has already been seeing. It isn’t a level playing field and very unfair to the spouse coming in as a newbie. I am amazed at the amount of patience to be honest Kate has had with all Jon’s antics over the past year and there is no way I would ever admittedly be able to be as patient as she has been. Of course I know you won’t agree Garnet but let’s just agree to disagree.
Ellen did put out information the other day and darn I should have taken a screen shot of it and she even said where to send the contribution. Next time I’ll figure out how to take screen shots. I used to on the old computer had a program that did that but that went bye bye when the old computer crashed and since it was a download I wasn’t about to pay for it again after having to spend all that money on a new computer.
Garnet, yes Ellen was asking for donations to put a stop to the filming of the kids. The way I read it, it was for Jon to fight Kate and TLC. She removed it, but maybe someone saved it. If they did, hopefully someone can post it here. She was on BL’s site.
You are so concerned about J/K being parents to these children. Kate has been there, while Jon was off playing. She is and will be making plans for herself and the children. Jon himself signed off in certain things regarding the children in the divorce.
I’d love to know where the contributions are supposed to be sent. Talk about making money on the backs of kids!
Well, I’ll have to ask Ellen about this.
She requested help, but it was never financial. Anyone else care to verify this?
I’ll let you know what she says.
Garnet is right. Jon and Kate need therapy NOW. Start over with a new therapist they can both agree to see together. They have to find a way to work together better for their kids’ sake. They need to provide a more united and peaceful front even as they work out their differences. It’s not too late to work on their relationship as coparents and friends. No need to rehash here who did what and who’s right or wrong. Both have made mistakes. They really need to find a way to move forward in a better way.
Thanks, Garnet. I check back tomorrow morning.
Please ask Ellen what her post was all about garnet, and ask her if you can post her request here. I think she was asking also for people to call and write letters to TLC about the G’s kids to stop the show. I feel she should not be involved in any of this. If she was not involved with Jon, she would not be interested in a family show like like this. She’s a Jersey watcher.
Ellen should indeed stay out of this. Jon and Ellen have only been together for 6 months. In that 6 months Ellen has only been with the kids a handful of times. I bet if you added all the time together that she has been with them it would not end up to more than a week, two at the most.
How many divorced women whould put up with the ex’s girlfriend tweeting what she thinks is best for the kids?
Jon get off of Twitter.
They are acutely aware their life is markedly different from their peers. They are six, and ten, and have to deal with the paparazzi! They can’t visit a public place without a crowd gathering to stare or people snapping pictures with cell phones.
Um, wasn’t that ALWAYS the case? Isn’t that the reason in season one that Kate stated WHY they filmed the show? because then maybe people wouldn’t feel the need to peek in their windows?
They are multiples. I see twins get attention like that(minus the cellphone paparazzi shots). Add the fact they are on tv…well you do the math.
Oh darn did I miss Garnet? I was hoping she would ask Ellen if she has a comfortable couch in her apartment. Jon is going to need a place to crash if he isn’t going to be accepting any more checks from TLC. Jon wouldn’t dare accept a check from TLC if he wants the filming to stop would he? It would be kind of being a hypocrite if he accepts that TLC check while putting it in the “court of public opinion” that he wants the filming to stop. I hope Ellen makes darn good money at that government job of hers if she is going to be the sole provider for Jon and herself if he is protesting TLC once again.
Jon states…”They can’t visit a public place without a crowd gathering to stare or people snapping pictures with cell phones.”
Is Jon going to use again that photo that they took from stock photos of Justin Bieber’s concert as proof that his kids are crowded by people in public when they tried to claim the kids were crowded at the arcade? He will get caught as there are people that know it was a stock photo of a Justin Bieber’s concert used in his and Ellen’s claim that the kids have a crowd gathering snapping photos. Oh what a web we weave when we try to deceive. I love those gotcha moments.
Emily, I agree with your post. It’s not about pegging blame at this point. If the kids are the no. 1 priority, than I think Jon and Kate should be coming together in private to resolve their issues. I know, easier said than done. 🙁
I haven’t seen Ellen asking for contributions. It’s possible I missed it. I hope someone can ask Ellen to clarify this.
Garnet-
The judge has had quite a while now to observe both parents and evaluate what is in the best interests of the children and he clearly has determined that giving Kate the decision making authority is it. Jon has repeatedly shown that he is not reliable. He breaks contracts, violates court orders, publicly lies about his own actions and Kate’s. If he had behaved like a responsible adult when he and Kate separated, he would have had an excellent chance of getting joint legal and physical custody; courts favor it. However, the court is not going to let a vindictive ex-spouse hamstring a responsible custodial parent’s ability to make decisions on behalf of the children.
As for Jon’s statements about the kids’ desires re: filming, I remember that he, not just Kate, repeatedly said during the run of J & K + 8 that they discussed it with the children and would stop if the children no longer wanted to do it. The children are much older now. Apparently, their opinions don’t count to Jon if they won’t play along with him.
It’s not unusual for parents to take kids out of school a few days for a family vacation or other event. Schools are usually ok with it if the parents work it out with them, it’s not an indordinate amount of time, and the kids don’t get behind in their school work. In this case, it was not a matter of taking high schoolers out during final exams.
Both Kate and Jon spoke of how much public attention the children got well before TV. Most children’s births are not front page news in local papers. Those babies with their China doll looks must have attracted people like magnets do iron.
She did Anya and I’m hoping that someone got a screen shot of it. Let Anya know if anyone did capture a screen shot of it. Some of us saw it but of course a screen shot would be definite.
Anya it would be nice if that could happen but let’s be honest here. Until one of the parties involved actually means what they say and not only by words but actions that won’t happen. Sadly sometimes one has to reach bottom before they can realize their real mistakes like an alcoholic, drug abuser, physical abuser and many other human frailties. I’m afraid that one of these parties and I won’t say who in my opinion, has not reached bottom yet and until that happens or a real good wake up call happens it will remain the same situation. I think we all hope that one day they both will come together for the sake of those beautiful children. After all in my opinion they deserve the best.
Joy, Jon and Ellen did not post that stock photo. It was posted by the administrator of another blog at the top of a thread discussing the kids’ experience with fans at the arcade. No one claimed that the fans in that photo were the people bothering the kids at the arcade. Jon has made mistakes, but misrepresenting their arcade outing with a stock photo of Justin Bieber fans is not one of them. FYI
She requested help, but it was never financial. Anyone else care to verify this?
She asked if anyone knew a good attorney who would take on the case for free.
Re: Ellen. I saw a copy of her email at Sage’s. Ellen wants a boycott, I’ve seen nothing of her asking for funds.
Thanks for clarifying about the funds, everyone. It’s important to get that stuff right…
I also don’t think Jon and Ellen had aything to do with the stock fan photo. Ellen had everything to do with the story as she reported it.
Hailey Glassman was interviewed by ROL on Jon’s latest twitter. You can find it here:
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2010/10/exclusive-hailey-glassman-says-jon-gosselins-twitter-posts-are-more-lies
Garnet says….
68.Well, I’ll have to ask Ellen about this.
She requested help, but it was never financial. Anyone else care to verify this?
I’ll let you know what she says.
October 19, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Is there anyone besides me who finds this statement by Garnet suspicious?? Has she admitted to being a family member and I missed the post??? I don’t even pretend to read every post on every site….I don’t have the time or the patience for that. Mostly I read here and at Ziggys.
But…… Who else besides a family member could be so sure of being able to contact Ellen directly? And who else would be so sure she will get a straight answer?? (although I doubt even a family member would get a straight answer out of many questions put to Ellen) I’ve often wondered about her and her posts, to be honest….it’s often like she’s reading from a script in my opinion.
Today, Hailey has made a statement regarding Jon again. He brings his past to the front page again, by putting things out in the public. Ellen should pay the money he owes H so this will go away. How many more people does Jon owe?? Ellen is young, who would want this kind of life at her age??
Mariposa, I completely agree. I was beginning to think that garnet was Ellen herself or a close friend. I’d be willing to bet that it’s her.
So Hailey is saying that Jon has had this life coach for a longtime. Is this where the $20K worth of therapy went? I really had a hard time doing the math for a therapist in one year costing that much – even in NYC. If that is true and this life coach has coached his life into the ditch – well that’s who this man should sue.
And unrelated to that – Ellen may be a nice girl but she is not doing nice things. This is a family matter. You are an outsider. You can support the man you love but you do NOT get a say in his divorce or custody. So if you are a nice girl, remember that when you start posting about your boyfriends ex-wife and children.
You know, I’ve been thinking about these kids today and every single time I think of them my heart breaks.
Jon is more an more acting like one of his dead beat dad buddies, Mr Michael Lohan. He needs to shape up or stay out of their lives.
Lord help and protect those precious kids!
Ellen never asked for money.
That’s all I’m at liberty to say.
I wish you people would get your facts straight and realize that Ellen is a good person who is doing her best to help Jon’s kids.
Garnet-She didn’t expressly ask for money and she didn’t say that they wouldn’t accept financial help if it was sent. She’s left wiggle room there.
What an absurd statment.
She is supposed to announce that she wouldn’t accept money? Yesterday, you ladies were saying she had asked for money and you wish you had a screen shot.
Now that the truth is out that she didn’t ask for money, you are changing your tune and saying she didn’t specifically say she would refuse money?
Do you see how ridiculous your statement is?
She also didn’t state that she wouldn’t accept jars of pickle relish. Does that mean that she secretly is hoping people will send her cases of pickles?
It went something like this. “If you would like to contribute to our cause…” That is asking for money. It’s asking for you to contribute to the cause. Play whatever way you like Garnet, many of us saw the statement and it’s a shame someone didn’t get a screenshot but of course you are going to believe whatever Ellen says. Ellen probably got warned she could get into legal trouble so of course she will deny it.
I didn’t think it was strange that Garnet could contact Ellen. She is over-involved in J&K’s children and twitters back to people.
Garnet, It’s nice you think she is a lovely person. I’m sure she has redeeming qualities. However, she doesn’t know her place. Those aren’t her children. She shouldn’t be interacting w/BKIA or any other group that makes disparaging remarks about their mother. It’s wrong.
To be very accurate, Ellen twitted:
Guys – if you’d like to assist us in our battle please email me at the email on my blog, ill give u more info!! Thanks =)
I did not email her so I don’t have first hand information on what she told people who did.
However, it was reported that email Ellen sent out in response was this. It was on BKIA’s website but has been removed.
“THose kids are stuck in their contract for atleast another year, UNLESS tlc decides to cancel the show because of low ratings. we need to refuse to watch that show, we need to have evryone write to tlc to say they dont want it on, and also they need to contact advertisers of the show – companies that sponsor it, product placement,e tc… and tell them to stop supporting it… if the shows cancelled, the contract ends. if not, it will continue for atleast another year… feb 2012 🙁 we have to spread the word for ppl to start doing this and complaining and writing in.
“Yesterday, you ladies”
Garnett,
It is also important that you address the ladies that made these statements. Not everyone that posts here made those statements and not everyone feels the same way.
I know I never made the statement that Ellen was asking for money.
Sorry, Pam.
You are correct, you never said that Ellen was asking for money.
Garnet said…I wish you people would get your facts straight and realize that Ellen is a good person who is doing her best to help Jon’s kids.
Ellen is nothing but Jon’s girlfriend of 6 months. She does not and never will have any right to make decisions for the Gosselin kids. If she was a good person she would keep her mouth shut about the kids.
The judge listened to testimony and decided that Kate could make the decision regarding filming the kids.
Your statement “Ellen never asked for money. That’s all I’m at liberty to say” confirms to me that Paige’s comment “She asked if anyone knew a good attorney who would take on the case for free” is indeed correct.
When you talk to Ellen again please remind her that she IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE the Gosselin kids mother.
If Ellen is at some point to be their stepmother, she will very much have a say in children’s life.
She’s in a very awkward position with everything that’s happening. It would be nice to see more positive comments about her.
Gartnet – Even if she becomes their stepmother she will not have a say in important decisions for the kids. That will always be between Kate and Jon.
Ellen has put herself in an awkward position by speaking out on things that are not her place to speak about. If she was not speaking no one would be talking about her.
If Ellen is at some point to be their stepmother, she will very much have a say in children’s life.~Garnet
No, She will be a stepmother and not have the same say-so as J&K in regards to the children. She would have the right to be respected as “dad’s wife.” It doesn’t allow her to make decisions about children who are not hers. I would recommend “Living In Step” to her as a good read. Being a step parent isn’t easy and she’s off to a bad start.
http://www.amazon.com/Living-Step-Ruth-Roosevelt/dp/0812818172/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1287598147&sr=8-1
Garnet, mind if I ask how you know Ellen? Is it someone you twitter with, or know personally? If you speak with her, does she read this board and do the comments here bother? Why are you so concerned with seeing more positive comments about her? Inquiring minds want to know LOL!
I don’t know much about her – I haven’t read her interview here or follow her on Twitter (personally, I find Twitter extremely annoying), but I do agree she’s in a tough situation. Some of the ladies here have expressed their opinion on the things that Ellen has done that they strongly disagree with. It’s their POV and it seems unlikely it’s going to change unless Ellen changes her behavior. Is she willing to change in hopes of getting some positive comments on a blog? I hope not, because that would be a comment on her self-esteem.
I feel sorry for Ellen & know little about her other than she’s currently in a relationship w/Jon. She’s young & IMO making some stupid mistakes. She will have to deal w/her actions & I’m not sure Jon Gosselin is worth it. Hope she can really look at things objectively & realize that a long-time/life-long relationship w/Jon is highly unlikely. So if she’s willing to deal with Jon’s baggage & be a part of it, that’s her bed to sleep in.
I’drather, yes, Ellen is young. Jon seems to have a way with the young ladies. She’s not the first woman to make mistakes like this. I’m guessing it’s all for the love of her man. I seriously doubt they would make it as long-term couple. More power to them, if they can prove me wrong. It would be nice to see her come out of this unscathed as possible.
Does this make anyone else just tired? I’m tired. I wish Jon could just keep his mouth shut and keep his tweets to promoting whatever his money-maker of the minute is, and just raise the kids! Telling people about all of the “good” things you do for your kids doesn’t make you a good parent. You shouldn’t expect praise for doing what you are SUPPOSED to do! Just DO it, and don’t worry about telling everyone about it.
As for Ellen… if you are reading this, or you are Garnet, or Garnet chooses to share this information with you… you have only been dating Jon for 6 months, which, in the grand scheme of things is a very short time. You are not their stepmother, and until you have married Jon, you won’t be. And as their stepmother, you still don’t have any LEGAL say in what happens in those childrens’ lives. You may be able to ground them, or decide what they are having for dinner, but since your name will never appear on any custody agreement, you will NEVER have a say in whether or not they are being filmed by TLC for a few days a week over a 6 week period. Never. I appreciate that you care for the children, and I’m sure they like spending time with you when you take them out for pizza and to the arcade, but you will never take the place of their mother.
If Ellen is at some point to be their stepmother, she will very much have a say in children’s life.
She’s in a very awkward position with everything that’s happening. It would be nice to see more positive comments about her.
Garnet –
People did write a lot of things positive about Ellen. I remember comments about how she got an education, had a nice job, seemed to be low key and not out for the limelight. But now that all seems moot.
There is a very fine line between having a say and participating actively in custody. She is way over that line right now. She needs to dial it back and remember the person that she was when she got all those good comments.
I wonder if the kids would sell Jon or Ellen to the pirate? 😉
Garnet, I never said Ellen was asking for money either. I thought the original comment was referring to Jon and asked for a source. Many thanks to everyone who commented about it. It might be helpful for Ellen to know how her tweets/emails are perceived. I understand why some “read” them to be a request for money or financial support. Thank you for asking her, Garnet. She blocked me from reading her tweets, so she’ll just have to deal with my asking everyone else, lol!
Garnet, my “perception’ is that you seem like an “Ellen Insider.” I just want to say that IW has not confirmed this at all! I join Sue in asking you just what your relationship with Ellen is?
Garnet, you wrote, “She’s in a very awkward position with everything that’s happening. It would be nice to see more positive comments about her.”
I wouldn’t call her position awkward. And it is entirely self-imposed. I can’t approve of her campaign to get the show cancelled. I don’t even think she’s doing anything to achieve that- just the opposite- she’s bringing the kind of attention to the show that’s helped to keep it on everyone’s radar.
If Ellen wants to contribute to the children’s welfare, she should encourage their father to get an honest job, and maybe she could read to them out loud from a quality children’s book. She could try the ALA’s 2010 Notable Children’s Books list for suggestions.
MamaP it makes me tired, too. 🙂 Your post, Lily’s, and Gee Whiz’s were right on the target. Well said.
I’d rather poke my eyes out, your post #102 is how I feel, too. Good luck to Ellen.
Ugh. Is she thinking of marrying Jon Gosselin? This makes ME want to rescue ELLEN.
@ MarieS… Actually, she won’t have a say in whether or not the children are on TV. She has no legal claim to them. She will absolutely have a say in other matters, but to the extent to which she is interfering right now, she will not. Just being married to their father won’t give her any legal rights to those children.
I agree that she certainly seems nicer and more educated than the previous girlfriends, but inserting herself into this particular part of the parenting relationship is only going to cause herself trouble down the line.
As for my personal opinion… her reactions to the nasty rap about Kate pretty much sealed my view of her. I’m sorry if that seems hasty, but her reaction was just so childish and unnecessary.
I agree, MamaP, I am tired too. Coupled that with the fact that I have a friend IRL who is going through some serious custody issues and it is all a bit much to take in. I can’t imagine what it is like for Kate, etc.
Sue, I have been in contact with Ellen in the past as I conducted the interview she did with IW. I know she has read comments on various blogs that have hurt her. She has been called “fat” and lots of other names. I think she tries her best to stay away from blogs and message boards that are generally unfriendly to her. I doubt she is reading our words. Maybe Garnet will fill her in!
I liked the Ellen I got to know through our interview. I think her intentions are good. I am not sure I agree with everything that has recently occured, but that’s ok. I think some have made sound points about the role of step-parents and hopefully Ellen is getting good advice from those who know and care about her (not blog friends) on how to approach this role if her relationship with Jon continues.
Garnet, I took Ellen’s post as asking for money for an attorney. I am sorry if I was wrong about that, but it sure looked that way to me. Also, I was put off about Ellen asking posters to write letters and boycott sponsers. There are many TV programs that have advertising, that I don’t agree with, so I use that little handy remote to turn the channel. The sponsers are selling their product, not the show.
Today again, Jon’s past is coming back to haunt him again. Ellen will have to live with the fact that Jon owes money to others. Has he ever paid all his attorneys?? Just asking.
I don’t understand either side in this Gosselin debacle. On the one hand the GWOPpers call Kate evil and criticize sites like these for bashing the children’s father, and on the other hand pro-Kate sites like this criticize GWOP and the other sites for bashing Kate, while doing the same to Jon. I smell hypocrisy.
I think Jon is a lying moron. I think Kate is a lying shrew. I think we should all mind our own business. This debate has brought out a lot of ugliness on both sides from people I assume are probably very nice in person. The fact is, everyone is getting so up in arms defending one or finding fault with the other that I think everyone forgot that we don’t even know these people. I know this will probably fall on deaf ears, but I think it’s about time we just leave this family alone, and stop giving an audience to this tabloid fodder. We don’t want the kids to be followed around by paparazzi? How about we stop posting links to tabloid sites and posting comments on those pages? We want to look out for those kids? How about we leave that up to their parents – BOTH parents.
GWOP? Are they still around? 😉
Elenasaurous,
I feel the way that you do some of the time. I guess I just keep getting drawn back into reading about it and or blogging about it. Not sure why. I will say that when there is no activity going on with Jon and Kate, the blogs are pretty quiet.
What does keep people interested or involved in defending Jon and or Kate? That is an interesting question.
Procrastination….lol. I really should be paying my bills right now.
The women on this site speak out of both sides of their mouth. On one hand, they say Jon should keep his mouth shut and let Kate raise the children. You repeatedly are reminded that they are not just Kate’s children, they are Jon’s as well. And the children should not be used as pawns to gain the upper hand in divorce proceedings. On the other hand, no matter what Kate does or says, you give her the thumb’s up, even if it is bashing Jon on national television. How in God’s name is that fair? or taking the high road? It stinks of hypocrisy.
From reading the posts all I get is that the sun rises on Kate and Jon is the spawn of devil. Regardless of what you think you know, NONE of you know the Gosselins personally. You know them from how they portray themselves on tv or what you have read on the internet. The only person who may have the “know” is Kate’s Mom who frequents this site. Otherwise, none of you have a close relationship with this family so quit judging.
You want to run a Christian site, then perhaps you should ALL start acting like one.
Hmmmm paying bills or blogging about Jon and Kate? I guess I would have to go with blogging.
Lisa Marie,
This is not a Christian site. In fact some of our group are not Christian. Where on earth did you get that idea?
Forgive me. I stand by all my other comments however.
Lisa Marie,
Again I take exception with what you said. You are generalizing about the people on this site. Sue, who posted above you, does not think “the sun rises on Kate”. There are others who post here as well that don’t fit into how you categorized the people that post here.
Can I ask where you normally post and or read your news about the Gosselins?
I read CNN and FOX News at times. I used to watch the Gosselins in the beginning until it became superficial and not reality.
I knew I would get bashed the minute I posted but it is not fair to beat up one parent against the other. Claims are always made that Jon should not say anything negative about Kate but Kate has free reign to say and do what she pleases regardless of how she treats people or what she says about Jon. You want them to keep it private, it should apply to both parties not just Jon.
I don’t know the Gosselins personally nor do I follow this family; however, I have read some of the posts on this site (not just the posts pertaining to the Gosselins) and find some women to be hyprocritical to this family in particular.
My post was meant more to ask why the hyprocrisy? Why is it okay for you to bash Jon and Ellen for that matter? You don’t know Ellen personally. You interviewed her ONCE that doesn’t give you free reign to trash her.
First of all “I knew I would get bashed the minute I posted.” Who is bashing you? I thought we were having a conversation. To be fair, you seem to be doing more bashing than I have. 😉
Also, I arranged the interview with Ellen and Anya did the interview and I don’t believe either one of us have bashed Ellen. In fact, we took a lot of heat because we defended her. “You interview her ONCE.” Yes IW did. Not the ladies that post on this site.
I do believe that you have a right to your opinion and I understand what you are saying, but I also think that these women that are posting regarding Jon and Ellen have a right to their opinion. Do I agree with them? Not always but I read, listen and learn. Then I make up my own mind.
I get it Pam. Trust me I get it.
When I express my opinion and ask a few questions, it is bashing but when you express your opinion, hmmm, it is just that an opinion. You are right and everyone else is wrong. Maybe the name of the site should be changed. Because what I hear is the perfect woman instead of the imperfect women.
Enjoy the site.
You don’t get it Lisa Marie. But you are not willing to have a discussion about it. I do get that. I never said I was right and you were wrong. Except the part about the Christian site. That was totally wrong. Should I have never said that?
I do enjoy the site and I hope you have a good afternoon.
Actually accusing people of being hypocrits and calling us judgemental COULD be considered bashing. I’m just sayin’…
I, for one, do not believe that any of the Gosselins are the bees knees, but I find it interesting and stimulating to discuss what has been happening lately. I do not pretend to know any of them beyond what I read or see.
Lisa Marie, I don’t think the sun rises and sets on Kate. I don’t think she should talk publicly about divorce/custody issues. That said I understand the frustration that drives them to do it, but it is maddening to watch (especially as an attorney who has seen similar but certainly less public issues! Every time he speaks I think “He would be so fired if he was my client). I think a lot of us have frustration with Jon because he keeps saying he has done wrong, he’s going to change; but his actions speak otherwise. At least that is my frustration with him. Every time he gets into the media proclaiming he is going to save his children it has seemed to be for selfish reasons (i.e. not allowing the kids to film after it was repackaged as Kate + 8, and he was told not to talk to tabloid media, then allow them to film when he was given money). It is hard to watch, that said I think that Kate has not always made the right decision but I think she was always guided by what she thought was in the kids best interests. Jon on the other hand I think does what is in Jon’s best interests.
Pam, to her eternal credit, never bashes anyone. Me? I’m not so perfect, but Pam doesn’t require it. 😉 Still, I gave Ellen the benefit of the doubt until she mocked Kate (and other women) when she supported the misogynistic rap song calling Kate vulgar names. That deserves criticism.
Disclaimer:
When I criticize Ellen’s support of that video, her tweets about her activities with another woman’s children, her friendly communication with a woman who wished lice on Hannah, or connection with another woman who admittedly attempted to smear the teen-aged son of another blogger (and Kate-loather,)I, in no way, am attempting to organize a campaign to get her fired or have her job eliminated. THAT would be reprehensible!
Garnet-At most, if Ellen marries Jon, she would be the spouse of the non-custodial spouse. That gives her no legally enforceable rights regarding decisions about the children. As things stand, though, she’s the non-custodial parent’s girlfriend. That doesn’t give her either the legal or moral right to interfere with the decisions of the custodial parent.
Lisa Marie-Kate has been very restrained about any remarks about Jon, often despite vicious provocation. She spoke very well about him as a parent in her most recent book. I think one thing that bothers people about Jon is his blatant hypocrisy. He claims to be the big advocate of the children’s privacy, but he constantly brings them into the news and can’t seem to have any contact with them without tweeting about it.
lisa marie, this site discusses way more than J/K. There are plenty of subjects here and I find others opinions great. Sometimes you back up and see things in a different light.
I really think posters were protecting Ellen for a long time. Some of her actions may be questionable, but she has put her stuff out there. She will have to decide if she can handle what the press says about things.
Lisa Marie, I have my biases but I am upfront about them and I don’t feel it makes me a hyprocrite. I don’t pretend I am child advocate. If I was one, I would be advocating for children who are hungry, homeless and abused not ones who live in nice home, have plenty to eat, and go to a great school. I don’t think Kate is perfect or worthy of praise no matter what – if she was I would have lost interest long ago. Likewise, I don’t think Jon is horrible but the most intriguing thing about him is how easily he is lead. To me, he personifies the saying “if you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything.”
My biases are:
1) I am fascinated by unique, quirky women who are able to live their lives on their terms regardless of public opinion. The fact that there is so much negativity directed toward Kate and yet she continues to move forward and not bow under the pressure is fascinating. Kate is not the first woman who I have shown an interest in because of this talent and she won’t be the last.
2) Aimless men, those without ambition or passion for something in life, annoy me. My 18 and 20 year old nieces refer to them as “guys without a plan” and they figure those are guys to be avoided at all costs. Frankly, Jon personifies aimlessness. So I am sure my posts reflect the fact that I don’t find Jon admirable regardless of what actions of his are being debated at any given time.
Lisa Marie – I am personally insulted by your comment, because obviously you haven’t read anything I have written. I would be happy to have a conversation with you once you are better informed.
Now the crazies are contacting Murt’s office to get the name of the judge in the case. I almost hope Murt is unethical enough to give it to them and they start harassing the judge. I expect they don’t realize that if suddenly a whole bunch of strangers start bothering the judge, he is more likely to hold Jon in contempt for not keeping the hearing private. In the zealous quest to help Jon, I can actually see them screwing him over.
I saw that at the Princess board, Paige. I bet they contact Murt’s office about everything Gosselin, now. His staff must be so thrilled.
I’m hoping the judge, or maybe someone at Murt’s office, gives them one of those wonderful verbal smackdowns, like the one they got from the EmTanner rep. It’s been a while since they had one of those.
“A man w/out a plan”- yes that definitely describes Jon. Your nieces are smart Paige!
Kiki, remember the Rev. Craig (I think that was his name) at the church Kate was scheduled to speak at? He was hasseled for weeks by the wackos and he responded in such a perfect,yet restrained way.
I have to see if I can find his words again….
Contacting Murts office is taking tax payers money and using it for a personal agenda against Kate and her children. Are they contacing other people in office from other states. Election season is upon us, wonder why this issue has not been brought up on National TV if so many are concerned. It’s a non-issue, and people need to get involved with all the problems this country has.
Yeah, Anya, that was a great one too! I found it on the locked GWoP thread at CPMCOG.
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Allissa said…
I e-mailed all of the churces listed on the “pro KON” site, to ask them to think about having KON speak. Off hand, I am not sure which church this was(I don’t remember the name) Guess this is a church of sheeple. He doesn’t want to hear from me again??? Ha, we’ll see. Unbelievable!
Hi, Allissa
Please don’t bother to send any more emails. Believe me we have looked at the situation seriously, but are convinced that most of the criticism is unfounded. Thank you for your concern.
Craig
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Allissa,
I think you are unreasonable and obviously with too much time on your hands. Why are you so obsessed with people you don’t even know? Of course child exploitation is never alright. Not with me and not with this church. But I’m sure you know that. If you’d like to talk to me personally instead of hiding behind an email, please feel free to call or make an appointment instead of taking the coward’s way out. If you feel that strongly about this issue, then why aren’t you having them arrested? You certainly feel you have the grounds to. Also, I said most of the “criticism” is unfounded. Not the information. From our research, all of the information is unfounded or misrepresented. Sad and very scary that there are people who care so much about this one family on television and not about the millions of children suffering from abuse all over the world.
Craig
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Sorry Kiki,
Found your post in the Spam blocker. I think maybe because of the lines.
Kiki, you found it. I thought I might have it in my emails, but it wasn’t there. He was blasted for that response. I also remember them hassling other families who were expecting multiples and dared to have a blog about it.
The Em Tanner “I admire your rigidity” is a classic!
So was Samnc’s (our Samanatha@IW) “Your imagination does not count as a reliable source.” (I love that one).
With Murt and AMC involved, this is persecution. There are other reality tv families and there are kids all over in the entertainment business. No judge is going to tell these children that they don’t have that right. That would make them different from any other children out there. NTM, they aren’t on tv right now. There were months in between the last show and the specials they did this summer. They’re hardly on tv at all. Have the screamers even noticed that?
I am blocked from Jon’s twitter but I saw this. He twittered about a field trip that he went on w/the kids. I hope they all had a good time. But, how is twittering to all of his followers keeping their lives private?
http://www.examiner.com/tv-in-national/kate-plus-8-jon-gosselin-stops-kate-debate-for-some-family-time
Lily, the Examiner is the very paper where Sylvia Lafair has had multiple articles published in regularly. Conspiracy? I don’t have Twitter, but just from reading what his loyal followers said in reply to this Tweet…everyone knows WHAT, WHERE & WHEN Jon was. He is building his dad-resume. That should be a good thing…but so far, I’m not buying into it. (Ellen has a link to the Lancaster News…go figure.)
I agree Lily. He also tweets every Tuesday evening what they have for dinner. If privacy was really his goal he would not speak about the kids at all.
His life coach is speaking out again. Boy does Jon have her fooled.
http://www.hollywoodlife.com/2010/10/21/jon-gosselin-job-it-reading-pa-kate-gosselin-kate-plus-8/
Thanks, Kiki and Lily!
Is Jon allowed to write a book under his current TLC contract?
So Jon tweets his Tuesday dinner, but not Monday’s or Wednesday’s? And his “fans” can’t see why that is?
Ann – Since Jon has stated that filiming has had a negative affect on the kids, I wonder if he is still under contract with TLC. The court document from the TLC lawsuit against him stated he could not talk bad about TLC or his family.
Good find, GeeWiz! How very original…’making lemondade out of lemons’! IF $75k is ‘all’ one makes in IT…he is one lucky guy! (College grads w. MORE IT education would MOVE to Reading for that salary.)
I wish “Allissa” and whoever wrote to EmTanner had published the emails that elicited those responses. I’m sure they’re a hoot.
And along those lines, you’d think that Murt and Petersen would have realized, after all the correspondence they surely received, that there is more to this than “toddlers on potties, OMG”. I wonder if either of them cared enough to really look into it.
Has anyone heard when Mr. Petersen is headed to Arkansas? Surely that would be next on his list.
Sure is funny all of a suden that Jon is looking for a Jon in the area where his kids live. His life coach said he was living off his savings not Kates money. I wish Jon could total the amount of money he spent like a drunken sailor over the past year or so. I bet it was in the thousands of dollars and now the piper is knocking on his door. Why Slyvia would make a comment, he is not living off Kates money, well Slyvia, plain and simple, Kate owes him nothing.
If he gets a good paying job, gets a home, more power to him, but will he stop putting every move he makes with his kids on twitter or selling the story to the paps. He wants to inspire and motivate people, well it starts with you Jon. Take your own advice first.
Also Jon, your life coach is a joke. 10,000 bucks a session or what ever it was was just another person out to scam you. I wonder how much that mountain climb was worth it to you.
Is Jon seriously paying his “life coach” that much money????
That’s crazy, I bet he could find one locally who’d love to do it for free:)
I’m pretty much mum and being quiet about what’s transpiring.
One thing I can say is that unless the message is really from Jon, it’s not the truth. He does not have control over what others say or the what the gossip sites print.
Be kind and nice. This story is going to have a happy ending.
Garnet, I don’t believe supposed insiders w/o proof.
GeeWhiz, Jon must still be in contract. I was wondering if he’s getting himself in trouble contractually since he spoke negatively of them. I’m still shaking my head over the disregard of the court order.
have been barred from accepting entertainment deals that would generate income for my family due to contractual obligations. I am also actively looking for a job outside of the entertainment industry and so far, have not secured a position.
I don’t care for Jon’s life-coach. Goodness, I hope he’s not paying her that much $s. I’ve read her blog post where she wrote about Hailey and her parents. Very unprofessional and she speaks like she’s his PR/Agent.
Garnet, I really do hope for the kids sake there is going to be a happy ending. But I have to say, based on your posts, your version of a happy ending might be different from others here, so they might not get as excited as you think they should be.
But I’m with Lily – it’s time to put up or … you know (see, that’s me being nice (:). The “I know something you don’t” is aggravating.
Lily, thank you.
For the record I have never met Jon or Ellen, we live on opposite sides of the country.
I truly believe in them, at this time. I understand the reluctance to believe in Jon, but I think he will prove himself and earn back the respect of many he has previously disappointed. He’s being real, Ellen is being real.
Garnet, if your definition of happy ending means screwing Kate over, I don’t think those children will end up happy at all. And I am not talking about financially, Kate works hard and will be fine if the kids are filmed or not. I am talking about all the public digs at Kate that both Jon and Ellen engage in – the finding of vulgar raps about Kate hysterical – and the participating in hate blogs directed at Kate.
Kate will always be part of those kids. Cruelty toward her on Jon and Ellen’s part if cruelty toward the Gosselin children.
Garnet – Ellen is nothing but Jon’s girlfriend. Why do you keep acting like she has any right to speak about the kids? If Jon was “being real” he would not be tweeting about what goes on in court nor feel the need to tweet what he feeds the kids every Tuesday. His actions are keeping the kids in the tabloid magazines.
And you need to remember the Gosselins were never in the tabloid magazines until Jon started partying with young women and Jodi and Kevin went to Radaronline to bash Kate.
Do you work for Paul Petersen?
I’m confused. What does KON stand for?
Garnet-What you refuse to accept is that, IMHO, virtually every one started out hoping and WANTING that Ellen would be different from Jon’s previous soulmates/hookups/etc, that she’d be a nice local young woman who would steady Jon and support him in coming back to PA to live and get his life in order for his sake and the sake of the children and even for Kate’s sake, since that would certainly reduce the amount of stress that Jon was creating for her and/or the kids.
Just like Jon recklessly squandered the enormous amount of support and sympathy that was his at the time of the separation, so did Ellen. IW gave Ellen the same opportunity it gave Mom of KT to speak in a low-key environment. However, she couldn’t resist in responding to comments to make loaded hints about the kids and Kate. For me, the point of no return was her sending fan mail to that self-styled “rapper” who produced that horrendously misogynistic rap about Kate.
I can’t see how having your dad’s new girlfriend publicly trashing your mother is in any child’s best interest.
For the record I have never met Jon or Ellen, we live on opposite sides of the country.
I truly believe in them, at this time.- Garnet
I did too, once. I agree with PeggyP that Ellen blew it when she tweeted her support and amusement at a rapper calling Kate a vulgar name repeatedly. Bad move. Do you know about that Garnet? Any thoughts about that?
Like I said after the first tweet — until Jon’s actions start to back up his words, its all BS to me.
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