Are you sitting down?
On Sunday, “fans of Kate Plus Eight” here at Imperfect Women were cordially invited to participate in a book being written about the Gosselins by none other than Polly Kahl, the “blogging neighbor” and mental health counselor who owns and moderates “Small Town Gosselins.”
The text of the email follows:
Hello Fans of Kate Plus Eight,
I’m writing to invite you to participate in a book I am writing about the Gosselins phenomenon. I’m interviewing various entertainment and mental health professionals, former fans who no longer support the Gosselin children being on TV, and others who have a unique view of the Gosselins reality TV shows. The book is about reality TV, how real or unreal it is, and its impact on the Gosselin family. I’d like to include the perspective of fans who continue to support Kate and her shows and I hope you’ll be a part of it.
If you’re interested in participating, I’ll send you an interview sheet and it can be filled out and emailed back to me. After you’ve submitted the filled-out interview sheet, I’ll edit it for typos, punctuation and other problems, then I’ll email it back to you for a final OK. My goal is to include all views and although our blogs have differing perspectives, your views are important.
I’d also like to invite the owners of the GWOP Without Pity and Ziggyflo blogs to participate but cannot find their email addresses on their blogs. If you are in contact with them, would you please extend this invitation?
Thank you,
Polly Kahl
“Werny Gal” at Small Town Gosselins
We have not yet sent our reply. We decided to post it here instead; not at all confident that Ms. Kahl will figure out how to read it. If you are in contact with her, would please extend an invitation to her to read here with a direct link?
Dear Ms Kahl,
Are you nuts?
Thank you,
Fans of Kate Plus Eight
With that, Polly Kahl becomes our Hypocrite Extraordinaire II. She plans to sell a book about the Gosselin children after taking the position that their parents, Jon and Kate, and TLC are wrong to profit from any ventures involving their children. Ok, then.
I doubt that Ms. Kahl minds or even disputes that she is hypocritical; she seems to be very comfortable with that part of her nature. Let’s look at a few things Ms Kahl has written on her blog:
May 2, 2010 “Dear Anonymous,” Ms. Kahl writes,
“Less than a handful of other times I’ve taken a total of less than a dozen pictures out of my car window, usually of the papparazzi and most not published. One time when there was no danger to traffic I parked on the side of the road and spoke to a photographer at the fence for approximately two minutes and took four or five pictures of the same thing he was taking pictures of while Jon and the kids were posing. I do not regularly pass the Gosselin house and when I do pass it it’s because my travels take me past it. I have never hung out at the Gosselin house. I have never hidden anything I’ve done and my family and friends know about this blog. I do regret taking pictures of the kids and after I did it I decided not do it again because it was unnecessary and yes, hypocritical. Despite that decision, what I did that one time may be distasteful to you or against your personal ethics, but it was not illegal.”
Yes, Polly, it was unnecessary and hypocritical. Thank you for admitting that. Now, can you explain why, despite your own misgivings, you posted the very same pictures a second time on July 25, 2010, in the post, The Lost Entry ~ Easter at the Gosselins ~ 4/4/10? While you’re answering that, could you also explain how “I decided not to do it again” resulted in your post of October 30, 2010, where you posted more pictures of the Gosselin family, this time at a corn maze?
Here are a few more questions for Polly Kahl: what do you plan to do with any money you may earn from a book about the Gosselin children? Potential readers have a right to this information. Here’s another: in the event that your book is a success, are you comfortable with the fact that you will be responsible for continuing to keep the Gosselin media hype alive? One more, will you be interviewing that pothead/absentee dad Eric Roberts again for your book? These are just a few questions. I’m pretty sure IW readers will have some of their own to offer.
Dear Ms Kahl,
Are you nuts?
Thank you,
Fans of Kate Plus Eight
*****
This literally made me laugh out loud.
She is too much. WAY too much.
Oh ladies, could I please have my 15 minutes with her, just asking? 🙂
LMAO She is a wonton short a pupu platter for sure!
Yes snickers. And then your 15 minutes will be over. 😉
Certainly if there is anyone who cares to contact Ms Kahl, feel free. We are not trying to tell any of you what to do. Maybe one of you will be casted to play yourself in the movie.
I received an invitation too. At first I thought this has to be a joke. Wasn’t the humilation she received partnering with Al Walentis enough? But then it came to me, typical narcissistic behavior, in fact, I will go so far as to say textbook case.
This is seriously the funniest thing I have even read. Thank you for the laugh.
OMG. From the of the title to the end of the comments, I cannot stop LMAO.
But then it came to me, typical narcissistic behavior, in fact, I will go so far as to say textbook case.~Sage
Ironic, isn’t it. 😉
Your comment cracked me up.
Honestly I can’t stop laughing.
I have to say that my favorite part of her email is the exchange promising to fix our typos. Please, if you have any contact with her, could you mention that at IW we use professional editors. LOL.
Craftymom, I honestly had the same reaction.
Come on Ann, she knows how imperfect we all are. She was just thinking ahead. And we do make mistakes.
Just to add credence to the fact of just what a hypocrit she is, she was offended by a comment that said she was an anti-Kate blog. She informed the poster that she is in no way an anti-Kate blog. I mean just because she and the other loonies sit over there day after day and tear kate apart she just has no idea why someone would confuse her with someone who is anti-Kate.She was so indignant that someone suggested that Jon did not try to stop the Aus. trip I thought she might actually go into cardiac arrest. She will allow any kind of trash talked about Kate, but you best not mention any hint of criticism toward Jon. Well the evidence is mounting and the verdict is clear, they are totally and without doubt BATSHIT CRAZY!!!!
This was my favorite part: My goal is to include all views and although our blogs have differing perspectives, your views are important.
Differing perspectives???? Really???? LMAO
Thanks Pam, I think I could find something more worthwhile with my 15 minutes. LOL
I have never had such a good laugh in a long time. You must read Ziggy’s. It is a gut buster!! 🙂
I hope Craftymomof3 is ok, LOL.
Carol,
I think you might have hit the nail on the head with your diagnosis but I don’t think you will find that in most medical journals. 😉
I’ll be okay, really.
I know Pam, I like the others just can’t stop laughing. It is just so hard to imagine that there are actually functioning adults who choose to live their lives that way. It’s nice to be able to share a laugh with you gals!
Quick, somebody contact ROL and sell them the e-mail. No sense in Jon and Ellen making all the money,. LOL
Ha! I am thinking maybe ROL received the same email already?
Oh where is HB??? I have to quit for tonight, my sides hurt. 🙂
It’s nice to have a moment to laugh at Polly – and make no mistake that is what we are doing – we are laughing at you, Polly. Laughing at your utter cluelessness as to how you come off.
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That said, I remain deeply disturbed at Polly’s stalking and obsession with Kate Gosselin. It is not normal behavior. Her family really needs to get her help. There is something clearly lacking in her own life that she needs to try and be a part of the Gosselin story. Or maybe I am wrong and this whole charade she has put on was always intended to end with a book and she thinks she is going to be the next Kitty Kelley…Trying to understand crazy people is hard….
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Ok, off my soapbox. Back to laughing at her!
BTW, she needn’t bother trying to e-mail Ziggy. Ziggy became aware of Polly’s “request” and her reported intent to send one to Ziggy, so Ziggy published a preemptive rejection in her blog.
I just checked on GWOP Without Pity. Iwhyawli hasn’t posted since before Christmas. I hope she does eventually post on this; it would be interesting.
Given Polly’s stalking behavior, I wonder if Kate couldn’t get a restraining order against her. I really think she should be barred from coming anywhere near the Gosselins.
I agree with Anya & Jennie. That she could write what the post quotes her as writing in May of this year and then go to the lengths that she did to track down whether or not the kids were going to the corn maze and then go there and WAIT so she wouldn’t miss them AND photograph them AND publish the photos (and have the sheer gall to snark at Chris for chasing them with $$ in his eyes) shows how hypocritical she is.
That she could even send this communication shows that, to use a phrase I picked up from a retired coal miner I once knew, not all of the rooms in her attic are wall-papered. She doesn’t seem to have a clue that no one in the non-Khater blogging world respects and/or trusts her farther than they could throw her with a 10 ton weight attached to her foot.
Anya-I wish I could laugh, albeit nervously, in addition to being disturbed by her, but, of all of the khaterz, she scares me the most. She’s way too close physically to the kids and, as the maze incident established, way too obsessed with them and their mother. BKIA is at least across the country. At worst, BKIA once showed up at one of Kate’s book signings. Polly’s turned up near the kids. I don’t mean to imply I don’t worry about Kate’s well-being. I do, but she’s an adult and a strong person. She’s not a small child who could be traumatized. I’m with Jennie. I think Kate’s lawyers should definitely look into getting a restraining order.
This doesn’t surprise me a bit after seeing her post basically advertisements for her blog on different websites. It does disgust me though. I wonder what Murt and Paul Peterson will think about this.
I expect this book won’t sell any better than Al’s did. As I recall, the anti-Kate fans were so disappointed with that book because it reflected worse on Jon than Kate.
I believe this idea was hatched when Polly got the ego gratification of interviewing Eric Roberts and the unnamed reality TV producer. She wanted to find a way to continue to interview people about Kate with some type of “cloak” of legitimacy.
I want no part of a book that about the “Gosselin phenomenon.” The children are not helped in anyway by having their mother shredded by people are feign concern.
Yes, Polly Kahl is most certainly a hypocrite.
Paige,
I also think her ego-gratifying communications are at the heart of her actions, though she is mercenary, no doubt, having tried several ventures on her own before she decided to make money off another woman’s children.
Do I think Ellen will participate in this? Yes, I do. Polly has mentioned that she receives “tips” from “sources” and she emails Ellen. Ellen has not denied that, and has used these hate blogs to get “get her message out there.” Her strange defense of Jon, completely inconsistent with previous posts, hints that her allegiance is rewarded with more ego-gratifying emails and “tips.”
She disgusts me.
I agree with PeggyP that she is a dangerous neighbor to the Gosselin children, though I think her objective is to “save” them by reporting “evidence” of “abuse” against their mother. Is it true that she admits that she reported Kate to authorities for chaining up her dog WITH NO EVIDENCE? I hope someone has screen shots and Kate sues.
Just an aside: I know where the Gosselin’s live. There is no way Polly Kahl “needs” to take that road to get anywhere. It’s out of her way. She’s there to be there, no other reason.
I. AM. SPEECHLESS!
Oh no, I fear this is not the reaction WG was looking for ! Of course she sent you an invitation, she doesn’t know the whole story from the beginning as its truthfully told and she needs your help to make money off the “exploited” Gosselin 8.
Wouldn’t it be a hoot if all along Kate has been documenting EXACTLY how all this hate started complete with paps taking pictures for HER to be published of neighbors behaving badly and all other vengeful activities with a story line of how it affected everyone involved so that if her income streams are ever shut down she’ll have one last hoorah with the most fabulous book to sell and of course, it’ll make her zillions!
That’s the story that deserves to be told.
Ann-You said, “I also think her ego-gratifying communications are at the heart of her actions, though she is mercenary.” I agree. This is, IMHO, at the heart of the worst Kate-hating bloggers’ sick obsessive hatred of her: Kate’s famous (to the point of being identifiable on a first name basis only)and grossing millions of dollars and they’re not. This just enrages them. It’s painfully apparent when both Polly and BKIA show how totally thrilled they are to be able to talk to and even hang out with washed up actors whose latest gig was Celebrity Rehab (it’s really sad because, when he was sober, Eric Roberts really was very talented), a minor Pennsylvania legislator, and some one-time child performers who played seocnd banana roles.
Really? Just really?
Ann-You said, “I also think her ego-gratifying communications are at the heart of her actions, though she is mercenary
PeggyP & Ann, I agree w/this also.
I am so offended by WG’s bias against Kate. She rewrites history w/o care. Carol, it is unbelievable that she tries to pretend she’s not an anti-Kate site.
Jon has become a saint.
I saw one comment of hers where after the initial breakup she said Jon had no shot at custody (so let’s not blame him for not trying). Jon certainly had a crack at joint custody, which courts love. No one knows what the outcome would have been if he had pursued full custody. That wasn’t where his interest was. She forgets his intent on having his own show and his desire to live NYC where the contacts were.
Re visitation, she said he was at the house more than Kate. Kate keeping the children more than 50% of the time happened very early in the divorce. None of them admit that Jon missed visits when he was living in Utah.
Leaving out how Jon abruptly stopped the show putting an end to Kate’s income, she said Kate continued making a larger income after Jon left. Kate did not start earning big bucks till later on. She ignores legal fees and that J&K’s assets were being split.
She also said initially Jon acted like a typical DV victim. Jon wanted to play the field and live lavishly, he was not acting out from overcoming abuse. Shame on her for minimizing what true DV victims go through to escape an abusive spouse and start a new life.
I think this woman is dangerous. I’m glad Kate has security. There are plenty of people making money around her, yet she chooses to make it a high priority in her life to focus solely on this family. I hope Kate’s people are documenting all of this.
A restraining order at the very least would be in order here.
In the last few years, the internet has turned into a forum where people can anonymously spew extreme ugliness. I am shocked by some comments I read. (ROL is an extremely ugly place)
Polly forgets that whatever ugliness she puts in print, on the internet, will be around forever and never go away. I cannot imagine hating someone so much that they become the main focus in my life.
I wonder if she’s embarrassed?
For those of you on FB, you’ll have to sign in to see the page. Ellen is hanging w/the best of the haters. You’ll see Polly, Sharla (GWOP), Irene’s not there, but her hubby is. These are the people who want to take Kate down and Ellen is there to represent. No way should she be associating w/these people. At this point, I hope Kate is talking to her attorney about Ellen. The girl has no limits.
http://www.facebook.com/TeamJonPlus8
Thanks for the good laugh
Lindsey “Puff” has delivered 2 beautiful, loud, healthy, boys. Braeden James 5lb2oz & Brandon Thomas 5lb4oz. Mommy and babies are well and happy to be together at last.
Congrats to all the Puffs!!
New pictures of Kate and the kids on ROL. They look like they are having so much fun, cute smiles!!
I sure hope Ellen knows that maybe she has crossed a line. 🙁 She is doing Jon harm by associating with these kind of people. Jon does not deserve to be outed like this, but I think Ellen wants the 15 minutes, and Jon really knows about the kids schedule and is letting Ellen hang herself in public, just like when Hailey outed Jon.
Scrolling thru my email today and found this interesting. Seems AAA is promoting getting an umbrella policy, on home owners insurance, to cover expenses incurred should someone sue you for saying something on a social network. http://www.aaacentral.com/insurance/EC/0111_facebook_enews.jsp?zip=15301
Just a correction to my last comment as I said Irene wasn’t a friend on the JONPLUS8 FB. She is.
Still shaking my head. It is unbelievable. The things those people have written about Kate and the kids and there’s Ellen (standing in for Jon) giving her stamp of approval.
Lily-ITA. Ellen also deleted the twitter photo of her with the “I (heart) haters” hat. However, I saved it before she was able to do so. I figured that once she became aware that non-haters knew about it, she’d try to destroy the evidence so I made sure to save a copy in case she or her/Jon’s supporters tried to deny the photo ever existed or misrepresent its contents.
Regardless of what one thinks of Kate, I cannot see anyone defending a divorced father’s girlfriend, who has regular contact with his children, openly befriending and supporting people who are openly hostile to the children’s mother, who is also the custodial parent, and at least one of whom has even followed the mother around when she was with the children. I don’t see any way that Ellen can hide that level of hostility from the children or refrain from attempting to undermine their relationship with their mother.
If Jon cannot get Ellen to beheve properly or sever the relationship if she insists on engaging in such stunts, then I hope Kate will ask and get the judge to impose such terms on Jon’s visitation with the kids to ensure that Elen has no contact with them.
Very interesting Paula. I wonder how much they ask for that?
Congratulations, Puff & family!!!!
The photos on ROL are adorable. Everyone looks happy & Alexis is glowing (I wonder if she got to see a crocodile, although alligators are her first love. I’m glad to see Alexis look so happy.
Regarding Facebook: Content is currently unavailable…anyone have sceen shots?
Why yes I do ann, is it ann @ imperfectwoem?
Lol, women
Ladies,
Can you post the picture here, no facbook in my life. Thanks!!
If this creepy neighbor of Kate’s goes forward and does this, I hope Kate gets her lawyer to sue her and get a personal order of protection against this woman to protect Kate and to protect her children from this mentally ill obsessed fanatical Kate hater.
Paula, some of the nasty biddies at Nosy Neighbor and BKIA should look into this coverage. I’m hoping for the day when posters will be held accountable for their flagrantly abusive and false comments. A girl can dream! 🙂
So, another self-published book about the Gosselins? Is she going to use that list of Kate’s crimes against humanity that they were compiling a while back? I think that if there were a great demand for a Gosselin book,
there would have been one of those “unauthorized” biographies by now. There is so much information out there about them that I think most people know, or think they know, everything about them.
I looked at the NN to find out about the call to the authorities about the dog. She did say that she didn’t believe the dog had been left outside, but it was because Kate is so organized. I guess Kate is just that bad, that she wouldn’t take care of the dogs because it’s what any normal,decent person would do.
And, of course, they want the head of the judge who allowed the trip to happen. TLC must have paid him off, or they have something on him, or Kate flashed him. It couldn’t possibly be that the trip is a great opportunity, and she had everything worked out with the school. No, that would actually make sense.
PeggyP I totally agree with you regarding limits being put on Jon’s visitation as long as he is with Ellen. That dumb girl has NO BUSINESS being around those kids if this is how she is going to behave. Jon can’t even seem to make HIMSELF behave let alone control anyone else. Ellen doesn’t seem like one to be “made to behave” anyway. I have said before I don’t know what Kate’s legal options are, but I sure hope she is exploring them in the wake of Ellen’s associations with haters. It also removes any doubt that Ellen is in this for the drama and attention…….she’s not just a down-to-earth PA gal, like she claims. The term “Famewhore” comes to mind….
I agree with the above comments. With Ellen going around wearing hats like this and associating with people who have hate blogs on Kate, would never be around my children. I’m sure soon, we will hear another leaked story about Kate telling Jon that Ellen can not be around his children. I wonder how long it will take the “source to kick this to the press.” She is in this for herself, leaving Jon blowing in the wind behind her.
Anya those were my thoughts when I saw the ad. Pam I think its 250 – 500 dollars
Ann@IW I agree with your comment about the coverage. The picture of Ellen with the hat was another terrible idea on her part and was not very flattering of her features either. If this is how 2011 is going to start from the JonEllen camp then I do hope Kate uses her legal options to stop this in its tracks.
Kiki the dog rumor story was just over the top. Most likely Kate took the dog back to the breeders to be boarded for the time they will be gone since the other dog is there. I am sure someone is being paid to take care of the chickens also 🙂
The latest pictures of Kate and the children look like they are thrilled about this trip. What kid wouldn’t want to be on a beach when it has been so cold in Pa. the last few weeks.
Ann I got the same message but after I signed on it took me to the info page. I guess you have to be a friend to see the wall. Don’t think I want to go there.
It’s not just Ellen associating with people who criticize Kate; wasn’t Ellen friendly with BKIA, who back in the day wished lice on Hannah? It makes her look really bad.
Oh my, the nasty rumors they have all printed and wished negative on the children is so sad. I know Kate is strong and lets this run off her back, but she must stand up now for her kids and have her lawyers look into all of this.
The stalking nosey neighbor’s “book” will be nothing but gossip, speculation, and accounts from anonymous sources. In other words, nothing but a tabloid article! If someone believes what they are saying they do not have to remain anonymous. i bet no legitimate publisher will touch it.
Tanny says:
January 3, 2011 at 3:30 am
This doesn’t surprise me a bit after seeing her post basically advertisements for her blog on different websites. It does disgust me though. I wonder what Murt and Paul Peterson will think about this
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Add Murt and Paul Peterson to the hyprocite list! PP especially…he only comes out when he wants to promote his own agenda & rolls it out as advocating for the G kids. Which in reality, he only wants to keep his name out there and is attaching it to the Gosselins fame.
I totally agree with you I.A in post #53. I hope some of those who sit behind their computer keyboards are dealt lawsuits by Kate. Some of the stuff that is out there is way overboard and criminal.
I never thought Paul peterson would stoop this low, shows he’s not a very nice guy after all. Why would he take the word of a women who drove 1500 miles to sit in front of Kates house and thought that was sane. I worry about his mental health if he thought he was getting the right story from these people. He has his own childhood on film for sale on his website. Guess it matters if you can make money for yourself, while advocating for another family to stop filming. Murt had the facts and said the G’s needed to make sure money was set aside for the children. I guess when you can’t kick and scream in getting your way about a family that has done nothing to you, and thought you would be famous for a few minutes for making up stories and selling them, those are the ones you must be careful not to be around you.
Paul Peterson was on Toronto television today talking about Lindsay Lohan being released from rehab. He seemed grumpy and slightly arrogant. He was lamenting the fact that the Lohans hadn’t contacted his camp for assistance. The whole interview was bizarre.
LMAO but I also find this very disturbing! You guys have hit the nail on the head about WG. What must her friends, family & former patients be thinking? I wonder how many want their money back?
Lily..did they say when & where this pic of Ellen & the Haters Nasty Adventure took place?
From WG’s blog…
Arabella said, “many books are written without interviewing the subject. It just seems more credible as an author if you’ve actually met and spoken to the person you are writting about. Otherwise, it’s merely opinion, not journalism; speculation and conjecture, versus fact.”
I realize we’re getting into semantics here, but to writers the wording is very important because writers are wordsmiths and words are the tools of communication. The definition of journalism is the investigating and reporting of issues. It’s very rare to be able to interview the subject of any book.
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Oh my goodness, WG could not be more full of herself. Therapist, purse seller, online dating service owner, stalker…good ol’ Werny Gal is quite the dabbler. Perhaps her newest career as a “writer” — a wordsmith if you will — will be “the one.”
Momsby, Ellen took the pic of herself and posted it on twitter. Here it is if anyone would like to see it. I read at Sage’s that she’s deleted it.
http://i52.tinypic.com/ru9pbt.jpg
Suesmom, there’s a letter to Lindsay Lohan’s parents that PP put on his site. Arrogant is the right word. He’s always wondering why everyone isn’t calling him for the all the answers he alone has. I remember him reacting the same as to why the PA Labor Dept hadn’t given him a call about the Gs. He was quick to call out to GWOP for their help. A Minor Consideration is not picky about who is on their side as long as they will attack Kate for filming her kids. His association w/FCAs proved that.
http://www.minorcon.org/offer_stands.html
With all due respect Lily, wouldn’t the people who have been through the same experiences better relate to and possibly be able to help more than one’s who have no idea what’s it’s like to be a child star and/or exploited for their parents personal gain?
Tanny,
I understand what you are saying, but do you think it was right for Peterson to get involved in the G’s family without ever speaking to the family? Was it right for a few people to start a hate blog on Kate and her children? You seem to think that Kate exploits her family also, but they are a working family, just like other families that are not on TV. Paul Peterson is still selling his childhood on his blog. When your acting days are over in Hollywood, many people have business interests that they step into. Maybe Paul should have gone to law school to protect the children in the industry if he felt so strongly about the issue. Instead, he comes out of the woodwork to project his personal feeling on this, and in CA, he was shot down and never heard from again. I wonder why!!
Tanny, You would think so. I watched the info hearing and was impressed with Alison Arngrim. However, PP needs an attitude adjustment. I find him arrogant, his association w/FCAs makes him a hypocrite in my eyes.
He said he was thrilled that children were declared working.
After the DOL in PA investigated, the kids now have regulations very close to what Murt’s new leg requires, they are getting paid same as kids in Hollywood. There’s no reason for PP to continue focus on the Gs. These advocates are persecuting a family for their cause.
The very public nature of Peterson’s “concern” for the Gosselin children or Lindsey Lohan or whoever he’s blathering about at the moment undercuts the sincerity of his arguments. I think he does have smoe actual beliefs and concerns about child performers, but I think even more he has a desire for the spotlight.
I read Alison Arngrim’s memoir (which is very good, BTW). There is no resemblance between the life of a child actor who plays a prominent role in a scripted series and the Gosselin kids’ situation. Also, Arngrim, like her co-star and real-life friend, Melissa Gilbert, came from a family that was already in the entertainment industry (her dad was a talent manager and her mother did voices of cartoon characters including Caspar the Friendly Ghost). She speaks very highly of being on LHOTP & it was an escape from a very complex home life that included the fact that her father was “theatrical” aka gay but DADT, which her mother knew and her older brother sexually molested her. Family friends included Beatrice Lillie and Christine Jorgensen, the famous first person to publicly transition from male to female surgically.
In Peterson’s case, he clearly attempted to have an acting career as an adult; unlike the actress, Shelley Fabares, who played his older sister, he was not successful. Shelley Fabares, BTW, was another child star who came from an acting family. Her aunt, who used the family name spelled as it was pronounced as her stage name, was the very famous and brilliant comedienne/comic actress Nanette Fabray, herself a performer since she was a child.
Yes Alexis does look adorable in the photo. It appears the children are having fun. I’m not so sure about Alexis wanting to see the alligators/crocs. I remember an episode where Kate said Alexis was so OVER reptiles. Also I read at the “nosey neighbors” site and do not find her to be a stalker or someone Kate should fear (isn’t that what body guards are for?). She is someone who simply wants children who appear in reality television to have laws that protect them. How is that a BAD thing? Also, when she visited the corn maze it is not as if she made a spectacle of herself. She did not try and disrupt filming. She did not yell at Kate calling her a child exploiter etc. She went to simply observe a CELEBRITY family that she watches on television. Let’s be honest here if we had had the same opportunity we would have gone in a heartbeat! And if we knew George Clooney was filming in a corn maze we would be there in a nano second!
Because the other hate sites love to throw out arm chair diagnoses, I would like to throw one out at WG. I feel WG is suffering from a God Complex disorder, where she clearly believes she is above the rules of society and should be given special consideration or privileges.
In a nutshell………..she is C.R.A.Z.Y!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If anyone was reported doing to Jon what W.G. is doing to Kate, fanatically following her, the hate Kate sites would be in a tail spin about it and calling that fanatical follower a stalker too!
It is what it is, it is stalking, to follow is to stalk, to also have a blog where she tears Kate apart and allows her bloggers to do the same as well as make up allegations, etc just from watching a few minutes of their episodes on TLC, is craziness.
It is fanatical, it is obsessive, it is aggressive and it is CLINICAL madness.
Wow! http://justjared.buzznet.com/2011/01/05/kate-gosselin-brisbane-bikini-babe/
Thanks for the link Lily…I guess? Perhaps it is a jab at her own “haters”. Regardless, of the reason it screams “Pay attention to me”. Really not the “We are normal people & don’t want attention image Ellen has been portraying.
Wow is right with those bikini pics Pam! All that healthy living is paying off! I’m sure the FAC’s will choose the one not as flattering picture to snark on. There sure must be alot of PERFECT bikini bods over there on Hater Island.
LOL Momsby,
I saw the one where she was sitting up and there was some extra skin and I thought, ok, this is the one that will be posted around. Of course most of these women that might choose that pic to post…. probably have a few extra rolls with their extra skin. 😉
Perhaps it is a jab at her own “haters
Momsby, it might be. I would like to give her the benefit of the doubt. But, it doesn’t really matter. Her involvement w/the hate blogs and her actions say it all. I’d feel bad for her since she is so young, I really feel Jon manipulates them. But, she is so gung ho. If I was Kate, I wouldn’t want her around my children anymore. Being on that FB w/the cream of the crazy hater crop is just too much.
Few woman who have had children ever have a perfect tummy again. If they were even lucky enough to have had one in the first place 🙂 Considering Kate carried 8 babies in there & had two C-sections she looks amazing.
Personally I can only wish I looked that “bad” lol, I saw on the cover of a rag that poor Julie Roberts is now considered a bad bikini body..I briefly considered turning all the magazines around to show my displeasure…but that would be bizarre behaviour for a grown woman..don’t ya think?
Angelsmom… no, actually I wouldn’t follow a celebrity around! Just because they were being filmed for part of their trip to Austrailia doesn’t mean they are being filmed the entire time, which allows the family to have some fun together. That’s THEIR time together, so no, I wouldn’t have acted as WG does and just show up wherever they are. But maybe that’s just me. If WG was so interested in how the G kids were doing, just as a “fan,” then she should just go and by Kate’s new book and read about it.
Agreed Lily! Eleen may very well be a nice person but she seems to be immature & caught up in the drama.
I’ve missed alot.. is Ellen now commenting other places? I’d read about her emails with the BKIA.
MamaP..Not just you! In fact unless it’s a planned event I don’t think celebs should be expected to pose for pictures & give autographs. Especially when they are with their families.
Momsby, I haven’t seen her commenting on the blogs. I know she twitters back and forth w/some of them. She seems to have made this her mission since she called for a boycott of the show.
I don’t know if newer people will recognize names on the TeamJon+8 FB page (comment #38 and you do need to be signed in to see it). Some of them have been around since the early days of GWOP. Back when they would harass churches where Kate was speaking and parents expecting HOMs who dared blog about it.
Pam, Wow is right. Kate looks great. Doesn’t look like they were filming, just having fun at the pool.
Also, when she visited the corn maze it is not as if she made a spectacle of herself. She did not try and disrupt filming. She did not yell at Kate calling her a child exploiter etc. She went to simply observe a CELEBRITY family that she watches on television. Let’s be honest here if we had had the same opportunity we would have gone in a heartbeat! And if we knew George Clooney was filming in a corn maze we would be there in a nano second!
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So if some random person were following your children through a corn maze, it would be okay with you as long as the person didn’t make a spectacle of herself? What if that person were male? Would you still be comfortable with it?
Sorry, but having lived in Los Angeles my entire life I can say unequivocally that I don’t follow celebrities around and I would never in a million years have gone running to a corn maze to “observe” Kate Gosselin and her children.
It’s Stalking: ITA. Also, it’s not as if this is an isolated incident. Also, there’s the issue of the hypocricy of someone who decries the alleged exploitation of the children to be taking and publishing photographs of the children.
For me, I don’t think anyone should have to be on the job 24/7 without any time off; I don’t think someone should have to be a prisoner in their own house with the curtains drawn. I think celebrities have the right to set reasonable boundaries, particularly where children are involved. A celebrity owes us his or her best effort when making public appearances on a show or a red carpet. They owe whoever is paying them reasonable cooperation in doing PR. They should be polite to fans who encounter them in the normal course of living so long as the fan is being polite as well. I don’t think they owe us the sacrifice of every shred of dignity and privacy they ever had.
BTW, the best response I ever heard of a celebritry responding to a gobsmacked fan, who unexpectedly encountered their idol, was the late George Harrison. Eric Idle, a dear friend of George’s, wrote about being on vacation with George on a remote island. An amazed and delighted man walked up to them and managed to stammer out, “George Harrison, oh my God, what are you doing here?!?!?” Idle recounts that Harrison quietly replied, “Well, everyone’s got to be somewhere.”
PeggyP I read the Arngrim book too. I didn’t see her testimony, but I am puzzled at Arngrim’s position? Arngrim seems to have very fond memories of her time spent working and noted the freedom she got from the money she earned. She also seems to love and respect her parents even though she was ACTUALLY AB– — USED AND EXPLOITED SEXUALLY under their roof. She seems to have enjoyed her uncnventional lifestyle. I don’t “get” what her position is regarding the Gosselins and their show?
Peterson said he was not trying to get the show off the air, but to get it regulated. Right?
It’s Stalking:
When you post on a blog that filming was cancelled on the day it was suppose to be and someone calls the owner of the corn maze and was told they were coming the next day, and you leave your home an hour before they arrive so you can be in position to take pics of them in the corn maze is just plain crazy. Her intentions showed what she was doing, making a plan, getting ready for her target, ran back home, posted pics on her blog and then wrote a big story blown way over the top is stalking.
PeggyP says….Harrison quietly replied, “Well, everyone’s got to be somewhere.”
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Priceless. Love it.
From WG’s site
Good luck with the book WG. All the sheeple are ridiculing you for asking the fans to participate. I don’t get how they can berate you at all. You are offering them an opportunity to give their side of the Gosselin phenomenon. I personally can’t wait to buy it! Cassie
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This is nothing new, Cassie. I gave them an opportunity by sending them the same basic invitation letter I’ve sent to others who will be participating, with the same total control over their own words and final approval as I gave everyone else, and it was their choice to utilize it or not. It’s their loss because their voices could have be heard and it might have not only educated others as to their views but also benefited their blogs thru increased traffic. They’re the only ones who’ve declined. I’ve got some fabulous interviewees so they would have been in very good company. Everyone except for them has been open and welcoming about the book so the book won’t suffer in any way.
Going into the office for the evening. Have a great evening everyone.
January 5, 2011 | Registered CommenterWerny Gal
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Why would we be open and welcoming to this book? Can someone explain that. Why do we need to give our side of the “Gosselin phenomenon?” We all have our own blogs. We have blogged our own side of this controversy or at least how we feel about it for going on 2 and 1/2 years. Do we need WG’s help? Quite possibly between all of the Kate friendly blogs more people have read or will read our thoughts than will ever read WG’s internet self published book.
“Why would we be open and welcoming to this book?”. My question is why would you NOT? It almost appears as if some of Kate’s fans are afraid of what may be exposed. Kate and the children are CELEBRITIES and are now “fair game” for this sort of thing. It is to be expected when you are in the spotlight. Also, I do not understand the hatred towards the “nosey neighbor”. She is a “crazy stalker” simply because she happened to be at the corn maze at the same time as Kate and the children? If she truly were a stalker would she not have been arrested? I was under the impression Kate was being “stalked”/bothered by a fan “BM” who even altered her appearance to resemble Kate. Also, I believe she would brag about going to Kate’s home. I believe that is when Jon and Kate moved to their new home and Steven Neild was hired as the body guard.
“Why would we be open and welcoming to this book?”. My question is why would you NOT?
1) Because I have no desire to help Polly Kahl earn money writing about the mother of the Gosselin children. Has she offered to donate any of the money earned to the kids or even charity? Is she giving the contributors a percentage of the profits?
2) Because I think this book will hurt the Gosselin children and I don’t just give lip service to caring about the kids.
3) Because Polly deals in nasty gossip and I do not want to be part of the nasty gossip culture of the Internet.
Kate and the children are CELEBRITIES and are now “fair game” for this sort of thing.
This is an excuse used by people who want to engage in bad behavior. Bullies argue that fat kids are fair game because they are “chubby.” People who run scams say their victims are fair game because they don’t investigate the deal more.
Also, I do not understand the hatred towards the “nosey neighbor”.
I don’t hate Polly. I do avoid
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Also, I do not understand the hatred towards the “nosey neighbor”.
I don’t hate Polly. I do avoid people like her in real life. They are the gossips that have their nose in everyone’s business and stir up sentiment against others most often done with a most self-righteous air. She reminds me of a co-worker who is discussing who is cheating on their spouse, who’s kid got pregnant, who’s lost their job, etc …
AngelsMom I know where you have been reading. Your statement about BabyMama is proof that people will believe anything they read and not bother to check the facts. BM as you called her I know personally. She is not a stalker. She has met Kate twice at book signing and runs a blog called Gosselin Family Fansite. She looks nothing like Kate.if she’s such a stalker how did she not even know about this until two days after IW posted this?
I have been on nonfan sites a handful of times in the four years I have beea fan of the show. I have been exposed quite enough thank you very much. I comment here, BabyMama’s site and occasionally at Ziggyflo’s. Because of that I have been harassed, had repeated attempts to hack my site, called every name in the book, had my words copied and pasted and altered. Why would I want anything to do with any of the people who have done this What gives them the right to do that to me? Those people do not think rationally. They have no boundries or ability to understand any type of reason or rational thought.They do not know Kate nor do I. It’s hard to stomach I live in a country where I can be treated like this because I am a fan of a tv show and am friends with alike people. Her book is giving passage to this behavior and I will have no part of it. I follow no one or worship any one but my incredible husband and three gorgeous kids. I am not a stupid word like sheeple and I’m sick of being labeled as one.
I can certainly understand why fans would avoid Polly’s book. Her blog is definately anti Kate. Is there any reason to belive that her book would be any different?
Sorry for the typos and bad grammar I am on my phone and can’t fix it.
As for what might be exposed in the book; Polly has admitted that no one close to the Gosselins will be interviewed. Anything revealed will be third party – at best – and that can all be found online at any given webite.
Also, I do not understand the hatred towards the “nosey neighbor”. She is a “crazy stalker” simply because she happened to be at the corn maze at the same time as Kate and the children? If she truly were a stalker would she not have been arrested?
She did not happen to be at the corn maze at the same time. She saw on Facebook they were going to be there, called the owner to see if it was true, and then went early to make sure she saw them. She went with the intent of proving the kids were told how to act and what to do for filming and that they aren’t allowed to have fun. She posted pictures she took at the corn maze on her site. The funniest one was with Chris following the van and she said Chris following his prey. So what did she think she was doing since she was bringing up the rear?
She has stood outside the Gosselin home and taken pictures. She told one commenter she would go by Jon’s apartment and take a picture of the complexr. She is not only a stalker she is obsessed with the Gosselins. She has never spoken to Jon or Kate but acts like she knows everything about them. She says Kate does not speak to any one in Wernersville yet she goes around town gossiping and trying to find dirt on Kate. Sounds like she is the town gossip everyone runs from.
I was under the impression Kate was being “stalked”/bothered by a fan “BM” who even altered her appearance to resemble Kate. Also, I believe she would brag about going to Kate’s home. I believe that is when Jon and Kate moved to their new home and Steven Neild was hired as the body guard.
See that’s the problem with the Gosselin blogging world. People believe everything they read on the hate sites. BM has a fan site and does not look like Kate. She has not been to Kate’s home. She uses satire and the haters run with it like fools. I think they moved to the new house for privacy because haters slashed their tires and would come up and look in the windows. Steve Neild was hired because of the threatening emails and letters left in their mail box.
It sounds like you believe everything written on the hate sites. I suggest you go back in the archives here and read about Pennmommy. Maybe then you will think twice before you believe all the hate spewed about Kate.
Paige excellent post! That is EXACTLY how I feel.
Angelsmom..WG did not just happen upon filming..please read up! She went there with the intent to observe & photograph. Just like she has done at their HOME on MULTIPLE occasions. Irene & a friend drove cross country to join her. That is strange behaviour to say the least.
BM went to two book signings(planned events for fans)! She has taken her kids to several of the attractions featured on the show (after the G’s were there) Like many of us she may see a product ie clothes on the kids, like it & purchase it. That is why companies feature their products on the show..it’s called advertising.
As far as the people at the house..their tires were slashed! That is not the actions of a fan..maybe a disturbed ex-fan or just a sick individual. Yes, I’m sure some fans were intrusive stopping to take pictures some people have not learned boundaries. Baby Mama was not one of them, FYI that site is not nice & enjoys spreading mean spiteful lies.
GeeWhiz, She also posted the info about the kids filming on Irene’s 4-8 FB page as soon as she found out. She went w/malice in her heart hoping to find something that would give her ammunition against Kate. Kate was bad bad for asking if Sunflower seeds were edible. She, like others, give the excuse that Kate is a narcissist to excuse their hatred and freely accuse Kate of abuse.
Several times, I have seen her mention “Beth’s interview” in Al’s book trying to push sales. There is no interview. The only thing in the book is that Beth declined.
WG’s followers lump all the J&K’s kids together as one mass and pretend to read their minds. They don’t think it’s creepy that they think they know what the kids think and feel. No one cares that the only missing piece from the laws they are talking about is the set teacher. Everyone plays dumb that the children are receiving 15% of the gross profits but insist that they get 15% of Kate’s salary. (The orig doc used to be online, but the one I have bookmarked is damaged). The DOL has no authority to dictate what Kate must do w/her salary, only TLC’s profits. They tell themselves the kids are filmed 24/7 when there hasn’t been any filming since October.
It’s one thing to have an opinion about whether or not the kids should be filmed, it’s another to personally interfere w/Kate’s rights and to stalk little children.
http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/state-rules-jon-&-kate-broke-child-labor-laws-wont-face-legal-action-10774.php
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/14/gosselin-relatives-to-tes_n_536928.html
Thank you to everyone for responding to AngelsMom questions. Great answers and I agree with what you have said..
AngelsMom,
Did you read this post? The number one reason I would not respond to WG is because she is a hypocrite and trying to make money off of this family. Again, we have several places on the internet already that allows us to express our opinions.
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Also, her book is going to be a self published internet book. What is the reason for this? She has a blog. I think the reason is to make some cash.
Pam how can I email you..I can’t seem to do it directly from the site.
BM has never altered her appearance. She has never stalked Kate. I believe you are aware of this and I think you know she never went to Jon and Kate’s house. You are just having some fun.
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I do however remember people going to their house way back when who were non fans and taking a picture of a sign in their yard that asked people not to trespass and posting that at Cafe Mom.
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I also remember a GWOp mod who stated she lived close to Kate and drove over to that house on quite a few occasions to report what was going on. They knew about moving day and reported on that. They knew all about the purchase of the new house and posted pictures of that of a blog along with documentation of the sale.
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They knew all about Jon buying a new car and posted pictures of him standing in front of it talking with friends.
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I don’t believe BM has done anything close to that except go to the book signings and that is because she is a fan. Fans are suppose to do that last I heard. Why else would they have a book signing?
pam@imperfectwomen.com
I am not at all interested in conspiracy theories or speculation concerning the Gosselins. You are quite right on this blog that none of us knows the details of their lives first hand, nor should we. If even half of what is printed is correct, we know alot more than we should that is for sure. I absolutely accept Kate’s right to pursue an entertainment career and live the life of a celebrity. The one thing I would like to point out is that Gee Whiz says that WG “went with the intent of proving the kids were told how to act and what to do for filming and that they aren’t allowed to have fun” and, from what I read, that goal was apparently accomplished. Obviously, I do not walk in Kate’s shoes but I hope that if I did I would have acknowledged a long time ago that filming was not in the best interests of the children’s wellbeing and that their privacy was being jeopardized. In an ideal world, the media/paparazzi would not exist, information could be controlled, and boundaries would be respected. That world, however, does not exist. There are fanatics on both sides of this issue. The truly innocent victims are the children. Kate, please be the adult/parent and take them off tv and do your own thing.
Has anyone listened to the Living the Dream Mom thing? Ugh, WG at the end of the show talking about how she doesn’t go to fan blogs because she thinks they are negative? WTH? Oh and plugging the book.
The one thing I would like to point out is that Gee Whiz says that WG “went with the intent of proving the kids were told how to act and what to do for filming and that they aren’t allowed to have fun” and, from what I read, that goal was apparently accomplished.
I should have said “trying to prove”. The stalking nosy neighbor’s account of filming at the corn maze was riddled with inconsistencies that she tried to explain away in the comments. I watched the episode and do not believe her account of filming. I also think she is a troubled woman who will print negative stories about Kate no matter what the truth is.
Gee Whiz, if it is true that there are troubled people who are determined to print negative stories about the Gosselins isn’t that even more reason to limit their opportunities to do so relative to the children? Granted, given all that has transpired there may always be some measure of media interest. However, I continue to believe that the responsible thing for the Gosselin parents to do is to cease filming the children and for each to do what they think is necessary to support them financially. I don’t want to set up a Jon v Kate discussion as to the issue of financial support, just absolutely convinced that there is little good for the children in this.
I truly believe the Gosselin kids enjoy filming and the positives it brings to their lives outweigh the negatives. The media hype would significantly decrease or stop if the source close to Jon (aka Jon/Ellen) would STOP selling stories to the tabloids.
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Please remember it was Jon’s actions that put this family in the tabloids in the first place. Their show aired for two years with no tabloid coverage. The media glare started because Jon wanted to relieve his twenties.
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I also do not think Kate and the kids should have to change their lifestyle just because Jon blew his money and does not want them living better than he does.
I fail to see how total strangers have the where-with-all to KNOW what is best for the Gosselin children. One would think that by now there would be a JUDGE who would have decided on the merits of FACT as to what is in the best interest of the children’s well-being. IF there was a scintilla of evidence to prove otherwise…there would be NO SHOW. Quite frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if Cara & Mady are not approaching the age where this is no longer what they care to participate in.
My opinion…I just don’t believe Kate would PUSH this contract if there were alarms going off. Goodness knows she’s had enough pressure from her ex husband & his band of merrymen.
Pams says…I don’t believe BM has done anything close to that except go to the book signings and that is because she is a fan. Fans are suppose to do that last I heard. Why else would they have a book signing?
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Those are complete lies made up about BM and the ones posting it are either too stupid to check their facts or are purposely engaging in repeating falsehoods.
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It is interesting to me that I can name off the top of my head, two other haters (besides Polly) who have gone out of their way (Target anyone?) to visit some of the places Kate is known to frequent. I have yet to hear of ONE fan/supporter doing so.
Teresa E. Has anyone listened to the Living the Dream Mom thing? Ugh, WG at the end of the show talking about how she doesn’t go to fan blogs because she thinks they are negative? WTH? Oh and plugging the book.
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Funny because a typical reading at WG’s is so negative and depressing that I weep for humanity. Pages and pages of people talking about this or that relative who is narcissistic and they are sure is just like Kate. I have to go watch a bleak Igmar Bergman movie to cheer up!
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Funny because a typical reading at WG’s is so negative and depressing that I weep for humanity. Pages and pages of people talking about this or that relative who is narcissistic and they are sure is just like Kate. I have to go watch a bleak Igmar Bergman movie to cheer up!
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I’m cracking up because that is so true. They wallow in each others’ horror stories and try to top one another. The one who writes volumes about her narcissistic mother-in-law really needs to look in a mirror. Hello! Every post is about you/your husband! I can’t make it through more than a sentence or two of her posts.
Whataboutthekids, it shouldn’t be on Kate to keep her children out of the spotlight. People should maintain boundaries and have a higher level of common decency with respect to how they treat others. Just because someone is in the spotlight doesn’t mean we have to know everything about their personal lives. Common decency seems to be on the decline in our society, and this is in no way Kate’s fault.
Whataboutthe kids, Kate IS doing what she thinks is necessary to support the kids financially. The haters did not let up on her during the periods where they weren’t filming and Kate was doing things like DWTS that didn’t involve the kids except, IIRR, for a very short pre-filmed clip. They also did their utmost to sabotage the sales of Kate’s most recent book even though it certainly did not involve filming the children and, while they were the subject of the book, they made no appearances or did any other PR in support of it.
However, what you appear to be advocating is that the haters should be allowed to succeed in harassing and intimidating Kate into not allowing the kids to be filmed. To me, that is condoning extortion. It appears that the judge has been convinced in a hearing in a court of law, with both Jon and Kate represented by counsel and with the proceedings governed by the rules of evidence that giving Kate and Kate alone the authority to make decisions on filming is what is in the best interests of the children. I think the judge is in a far better position to decide what good there is for the children in this than you are.
You all make valid points. I have only a couple of responses. First, there is a difference between the paps not letting up on Kate who is an adult and responsible for her own choices and filming of the children which allows the world to know much more than I think can be beneficial both short term and over the long term. I do not see that the positives can outweigh the negatives in that respect. Second, I do not understand who else should be responsible to keep the children out of the spotlight other than Jon or Kate. I am in no way a follower of celebrities but a common thread seems to be that most (or many) seek to protect their children from media intrusion because they believe that their children deserve to grow up outside of the media glare. Kate, however, deviates from that type of thinking and seems determined that filming is a necessity. As parents, it is our responsibility to make decisions in the best interests of our children and the Gosselins should be no different. Of course, this requires that we look at other factors besides finances. Third, the reality of Kate’s world, like many celebrities, is media interest. As I said, that is fine for her and probably beneficial for her career but I wish she would do what she can to take the kids out of it. A great starting point would be to cease filming them. Funny how I have never seen pap photos of them on outings with Kate outside of filming so either they do not happen or she is able to elude the cameras when she wants to.
whataboutthekids-Your judgment is just that. If you were presented with the options that Kate has for your own children, you would have every right to make a different choice. However, has it occurred to you that Kate is in a far better position to know the positives and negatives of the options that she has than you are.
You’re giving a very incomplete picture about how celebrities protect their children from the media. One of the ways that some celebrities choose to protect their children from the paps is precisely to permit media access under controlled conditions which reduces the value of any paparazzi shots. The ultimate was Sarah Jessica Parker and Matthew Broderick. After she gave birth to their son, they left the hospital via the front door and let all ths photographers there snap away. Many give an exclusive of their first baby photos and give the money to charity (Brad and Angelina, both times she gave birth). When filming of the children did stop, media interest intensified; it didn’t diminish. The value of pap photos of the children increased when that was the only source of material on them. Except for Chris, the paps seem to be pretty much leaving the kids alone when they’re at home, going to school, etc., now that there is filming. I think Kate’s picking a more gradual choice of going from a weekly series to periodic specials, that leava much of the children’s lives off limits. Have you ever seen their school on the show, their school activities, their bedrooms since they moved in to their current home? I expect, as the kids get older and have more individual interests to accomodate, filming will be adjusted continually to meet their needs. I find it odd that you are criticizing Kate for figuring out how to evade the paps and only allow filming of the kids with a crew with whom they are comfortable and under controlled conditions in which a kid who doesn’t want to be filmed can opt out. IMHO, she is doing as much as she can to take the kids out of it as much as is reasonably possible at this time.
To ask a mother of 8 children who has to plan a future in which she is the only source of financial support that she can count on consistently to, in essence, make her decision taking finances out of it is like the ultimate sick one-liner, “Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?”
Whatabout…basically what I hear you saying, Kate Gosselin can easily be separated from being the mother of her 8 children by just pulling the plug on TLC…just as her X is trying to do, despite judge’s orders. SOMETHING I have faith in, is that ‘family court’ has FACTS which none of us have a right to…despite Jon’s attempts to hide behind social networking as his OWN means to an end.
I too don’t follow celebrity, but having a resident INF pap in Reading, who just happens to be a friend of Jon’s, does add to the stench. I believe the last photos of Jon w. his children were w/o photo credit (no accident there). Pardon me, but I am waiting for Jon & Ellen to grow up & use their time thinking of ways that might just create some PEACE between parents. There is nothing ‘normal’ in these children’s lives right now when it’s OBVIOUS that Jon has such ‘loathing’ for his X. If there is one thing Jon can do…manipulate & talk out of both sides of his mouth. No father who loves his children would run their mouths off daily on his various forms of social networking, & allow his live-in galpal to go rogue on their mother at steroid speed. It’s 10x’s worse in my corner of the world. What sums up Kate’s way to help the 8 thru’ pap invasion is to ignore. What does Jon do? Throw a towel over their heads or ‘give them the bird’. Lovely difference in parenting styles. Not so much!
HB-ITA. The paps wouldn’t be in their lives without Jon and his sometimes partners in crime JoKe. The paps weren’t interested in Jon & Kate with or without the 8 prior to the rumors and photos of Jon looking for his lost twenties in bars and the beds of 20something girls. Prior to that, they were doing covers for magazines like Ladies Home Journal and Good Housekeeping. Then, as soon as the rumors of Jon’s shenanigans started getting confirmed, someone started selling awful tales (I’m not going calling leaking which makes it sound like the truth was coming out; many of these stories were lies or viciously distorted) making Kate look like the villain, leading to that horrible series of US covers. After that, instead of trying to act with some discretion, Jon flaunted his new girlfriend around and started befriending the paps. Even Al, of whom Polly Kahl thinks so highly, says Jon was selling stories to the paps. Jon turns the twins’ ninth birthday into a tabloid driven nightmare. He then violates a court order, loots over two hundred thousand dollars from his family, and then goes on one tabloid show after another lying not only about whether he took money and/or how much money he took but he falsely accused Kate of misappropriating family money. Remember the dramatic promos he did for his appearances, “Where’s the money, Kate?” The court rejected all of his claims about Kate mishandling family money as well as all of his attempts to justify his own actions. He only avoided jail for contempt by getting Hailey to lend him about $200,000.00 (and later not only defaulted on the debt but allegedly tried to frame Hailey & have her sent to prison for trashing their former apartment after she dumped him when confronted, during depositions, with proof that he’d been cheating on her.) Some role model for the kids////////////1
Whatabout, PeggyP, HB, great discussion. Very good points.
I am one who didn’t like the show while showing their personal daily lives as much as the “scripted” fun stuff. I prefer the trips to Hawaii, Legoland, etc.: a travel show. I think the travel is worth being filmed for. I thought 50 episodes/season was too many; a few specials/year, smart and sensible; talking about the marital troubles, crass; Jon in his Ed Hardy phase, painful. What I didn’t like, I didn’t watch. And through it all, I’ve thought both parents love their children and have the right to weigh the cost/benefits and decide. Not me. Because I am missing some crucial information. I think Kate is doing what she thinks is best for the kids and have no trouble at all respecting that.
One thing I disagree with: I do not accept that paparazzi is an expected outcome of fame when you live in Berks County, PA. They could not have expected that, which is why, I think, Jon was so indiscreet with his friends and nannies. I also think the people who alerted the paparazzi to “The Truth About Jon Gosselin” are related to Gosselin hate blogs. Some of the child advocates put ruining this family ahead of the children’s privacy time and time again. See Polly Kahl for an example, or GWOP, or Julie Brown’s lost blog entries, or the ROL interview with Kevin and Jodi, or the tidbits from the “source close to Jon,” available at various tabloid sites.
Should Kate have anticipated that? Not in my opinion.
After reading thru the posts looks like AngelsMom was sppon fed wrong information, and needs to maybe do some research on her own.
My point, Whataboutthekids, is that if the paparazzi, and nasty bloggers would just leave them alone, they wouldn’t really be IN the spotlight as much as they are. If not for everyone and their mama wanting to know every detail that isn’t on the show, the family wouldn’t be in this position.
Perhaps people should start respecting the fact that these are CHILDREN and should stop talking out of both sides of their mouths about how the need to be protected, and describing all of their various “issues” to the world. If people were really so concerned about it, they would just let them be on TV every few months, with only a few weeks of filming for those shows, and leave them alone outside of that.