Wake up Conservatives, Rush Limbaugh is Hurting Your Cause

By Anya

“Slut.” It’s just one of those words that make women flinch when they hear it. It sits aside “fat”, “ugly”, “bad mother” and a few other vicious words and phrases that are routinely hurled at woman in an attempt to shut them up and shut them down. Sadly, it often does.

Rush Limbaugh, the 61-year-old immensely popular conservative radio talk show host had this to say about Georgtown student, Sandra Fluke, a women young enough to be his daughter, whom he had never met or talked to:

“It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She’s having so much sex she can’t afford the contraception.”

It’s not entirely clear to me whether Limbaugh thinks all women who are on birth control are sluts or just those who testify in front of Congress about its importance to women are. Fluke testified at a Congressional hearing regarding Georgetown’s policy of not covering contraceptive devices under its group health plans and the impact that has had on her. (Georgetown is a Jesuit school).

First of all, isn’t testifying in front of Congress (if one is afforded the opportunity) right up  there with voting and jury duty and other acts that most of us believe constitute the behavior of a virtious citizen? I understand there are good people that (respectfully) disagree with Ms. Fluke’s point of view that religious institutions should be mandated to cover contraceptives and other practices which their faith dictates as immoral. What I don’t understand is the hostility exhibited by the likes of Limbaugh and some of his breathen when a women stands up and lets her voice be heard.

Yeah, I get that Limbaugh is Limbaugh. He somehow gets away with saying incredibly racist and sexist things on a regular basis with no fall out. It seems no Republican or conservative wants to go on record speaking out against him. Why? I can’t believe that your average conservative mother – perhaps a mother of a daughter about Fluke’s age – condones his attitude or language. Do they? Do you?

Here is another question – do you believe Rush Limbaugh is good for the conservative cause? Do you believe he will inspire more folks on the fence to come out and vote the Republican ticket come this November? Because I still want to believe in decency, I have to believe Rush is out of step with the majority of the electorate, and that includes conservatives. Am I right…or wrong?

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Comments

  1. HB says

    Don’t worry Anya, Al Sharpton is all over this word ‘slut’. Rush was annointed by Clinton as the leader of the conservatives. Good grief…he’s a radio entertainer, NOT a paid lobbyist. Tune the radio elsewhere, as I do Stewart of Maher on t.v.!

    I think many have forgotten that Ms. Fluke was the ONLY one who wanted to testify on behalf of ‘contraception being a right’. The truth be known, she researched GT’s student healthcare coverage & KNEW before she decided to take on a VERY expensive law school, & other expenses of attending. Her mission…to lobby the school admin. (for 3 yrs.) to change their policy as the president of the school’s Students for Reproductive JUSTICE! She actually said ‘she was not willing to compromise education in exchange for healthcare’.

    Personally, she has to be very bright to get into Georgetown Law…& I’d assume smart enough to be able to find a way to eke out the price of her own birth control w/o relying on it as a RIGHT owed to her as reproductive healthcare?

    Like Rush or NOT. Quite often the absurd shines a light…on what many conservatives & even some liberals think is the ABSURD.

  2. HB says

    In a way I feel sorry for Sandra Fluke. She is being USED. Why was she brought to the Hill to testify as a 3rd yr., 23 y/o coed law student – found by Nancy Pelosi? Only to find out that she is 30 & has been a feminist activist prior to deciding to take on Georgetown? NO, I in no way condone Rush’s take, but I also do NOT like the idea that NOT one Democrat had bothered to put forth Fluke’s name until the LAST moment…& then relied on her to try to SHAME the committee who had testimony from other women who did not want gov. meddling into their private decisions etc. thru’ Obamacare?

    Apparently last yr. Fluke protested by putting duck tape on her mouth…w. a sign saying ‘don’t put your rosary beads on my womb’! Of course, our president would call her up. She has become the shill for his ability to ram Obamacare down ANYONE’s throat…but those 100’s/1,000’s he’s already given a pass to.

  3. Holly says

    Anya,
    I don’t like Rush Limbaugh in fact I think of him as a very boorish comical loudmouth who often says in “satire” what many people think. He no more represents the Republican Party any more than Bill Maher speaks for the Democratic Party! I cannot even list the anti-woman, sexist, racist and below the belt comments that Bill Maher has made. How about Ed Shultz who has used many swear words against Republican women and don’t forget Gov. Jerry Brown calling Meg Whitman a “whore”. In fact I was so upset about that that I called my local chapter of NOW and their answer was;”well she’s a Media Whore”! So much for supporting women! There are idiots on both sides. Limbaugh is an entertainer, nothing more.
    As far as Sandra Fluke, I feel she is absolutely wrong in her initial premise that she is “entitled” to free Birth Control and in her inaccurate statement that it will costs over $3000 for birth control over 3 years. I ran the prescription rates in the Georgetown Area for numerous pharmacies and stores without Health Insurance (we are an Insurance Broker) and not one prescription was over $20 a month. I guess other sources are “fact checking” her too!
    “But Fluke’s testimony was very misleading. Birth control pills can be purchased for as low as $9 per month at a pharmacy near Georgetown’s campus. According to an employee at the pharmacy in Washington, D.C.’s Target store, the pharmacy sells birth control pills—the generic versions of Ortho Tri-Cyclen and Ortho-Cyclen—for $9 per month. “That’s the price without insurance,” the Target employee said. Nine dollars is less than the price of two beers at a Georgetown bar.”
    I used Birth Control when I was in College and I never expected anyone else to pay for it!

  4. JennieIW says

    I really don’t understand how this has become an issue of anyone wanting anyone else to “pay for” their birth control. The issue is whether insurance plans should cover birth control, and the consequences of employers refusing to do so (not to mention the sexist hypocrisy evident when the same employers have no problem covering Viagra). Susan Fluke told a story about a friend who used birth control to control a medical condition. Unable to afford it, the friend developed a cyst that required the removal of an ovary to treat, rendering her possible infertile. For that, Limbaugh called her names and impugned her morality. (Limbaugh also is apparently confused about how birth control works, since he seems to think that a pill is like a condom and if you’re spending a lot on bc pills it must mean you are taking a lot of pills, thus having a lot of sex. Moron.)
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    Many women use birth control to treat the symptoms of PCOS, endometriosis, and a host of other ailments. It shouldn’t be about what the cost of birth control would be off-plan; we need to acknowledge this as a reasonable service that should reasonably be included in health plans.

  5. JennieIW says

    BTW, after I read this last night I told Anya that I knew what arguments would come up: 1) Your guy (Sharpton, Schultz, whoever) is worse and 2) Oh, Republicans don’t take Limbaugh seriously (belied by his HUGE following on radio, TV and by his book sales).
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    As for the circumstances of Fluke’s coming to testify, who cares? Are you saying that she lied about her age? I kind of doubt that. It doesn’t matter to me whether she’s an activist on the subject or not; I see nothing wrong with her activism. People should be outraged that an all-male panel was convened to discuss WOMEN’S birth control. That is seriously wrong and I don’t see how a person of conscience can defend it.

  6. Changed to Stu......;) says

    It’s absurd to think that everyone should pay for FREE birth control. If it’s covered for free under Health Insurance who do you think should pick u the tab?It increases every policy holders premium and I don’t hear any of my small group clients wanting to make Viagra free either. Will Fluke and her ilk pay back the plumber , nurse, store clerk and so on when she is making money? This is not about Women’s Rights no one is attacking or trying to take away rights here. Just pay for it yourself. Under insurance coverage any illness would be covered so that argument is just bullsh#t. This is about birth control plain and simple.
    By the way if you don’t like Rush turn the dial just as I do for Maher.

  7. Pam@IW says

    I have never listened to Limbaugh on the radio, TV (didn’t know he had a show) or read one of his books. This Republican does not take him seriously. By the way, this conservative is wide awake. I don’t need Rush to tell me how or what to think.

  8. stu says

    The only people who anointed Rush as the head of the Republicans is the left. By the way if you can’t afford birth control give up a latte.

  9. MarieS says

    A point about healthcare coverage for birth control or hormone replacement therapy – it’s not covered since these are not diseases. Viagra is covered since a limp dick is a terminal disease. That was what this woman researched as spoke to. I don’t think anyone with her educational level was used. I also don’t think she thought for one minute that someone would be as crass and nasty as Rush Limbaugh. But now she knows. Now we all know. And I’m sure now that the official sponsor pull out has reached five that Rush knows too.

    That was the specific discussion, what is covered by the plan. Most plans exclude birth control but not viagra. If the response is that if you can’t afford birth control don’t have sex then men how can’t afford viagra should not have sex either. (Not that everyone is getting any drug free – but you know what I mean.)

    Now for Rush – I love the fact that he thinks the actual cost of birth control is linked to the amount of sex. Dear Rush, if I have sex once a month the pills cost the same as my roommate in college who had sex every night. This makes him nasty and ill informed.

  10. stu says

    First of all as Jennie would say…It’s SATIRE..Rush has been doing it for over twenty years. Sometimes it gets him in trouble. Where was this fake outrage when MSNBC and all the other liberal outlets just lambasted Breitbart’s sudden death. They all hid behind the Satire statement. As I said before if you don’t like him change the channel. By the way I haven’t listened to him for about 15 years.

  11. snickers says

    The Dems move away from Bill Maher when it fits their needs. Guess that 1 million dollar donation means nothing! If you ever watch his program on HBO, you will see a women hater, dislikes children, and loves his pot. A guy raised Catholic, and makes fun of religion as he is a non believer now. Of course, he will call any women out for any little thing he can.

    Wonder if Georgetown is willing to work for poor people and give back if I am to pay for her birth control. Gee, maybe sex shouldn’t be on the top of her list right now. One of our local Planned Parenthood closed this week, and now the protesters are going to hit every town that has one.

    I see where this is all going. Lets throw out a new issue, Obama can hop on it, and it deflects from the real world problems again. The Volt worked out real well for him didn’t it? 1300 laid off employees again.

    As for Rush, who cares, he does not make my decisions in life.

  12. MarieS says

    A point of clarification – with Georgetown this is an employer providing health insurance, not tax payers. They do what a lot of employers do today if they have clinics and hospitals, they self insure. So Georgetown the employer covers it’s healthcare for employees with benefits from Georgetown Health Insurance. It provides erectile dysfunction coverage but not birth control coverage. Now that part of the drug formulary is common in medicare/medicaid as well. And those programs we do pay for as taxpayers. So if I’m paying for viagra I’m fine with paying for birth control. Many employers exclude birth control on religious grounds in states that do not regulate it. There are 26 (or something) states that do require birth control coverage. So in those states the employer either provides it or doesn’t get into the health insurance business. That’s a tough choice since the only industries making mucho dollars in healthcare right now are pharmacueticals and insurers.

  13. HB says

    Holly, thank you! Fluke failed to run the #’s. (She could get a ride to VA & go cheaper ) I do NOT think Fluke was really talking from the ‘1st person’, but as an activist who USED Georgetown as her tool. Unless insurance has changed since our daughter went to grad school…birth control is NOT the issue. The issue is clearly that Obamacare will take care of everything – except for me, the old codger. ;0)

    As for Rush…he is who he is. He, nor any other mouthpiece, plants ideas – other than the ones I care to. As an FYI, I have been to a few events that he was a guest speaker. I’d be less than honest if I didn’t say he was NOTHING CLOSE to what his speil is on the radio. I believe that may be the case w. many a blowhard.

    Yes, birth control is USED for many ‘diseases’. Hormones for endrometriosis…? (I DO KNOW about that…& hormones feeds that disease.) But, if you have acne or cramps…out w. the birth control. Viagra? Same issue (?)…there are many devastating diseases that cause ED. & so it goes…& goes. What scares me are these drugs that are used willy-nilly. That’s basically WHY I am against PP…or any Dr. who does NOT do, due diligence in writing any of these prescriptions. (I’m sure you’ve all heard about the ‘morning after pill’ being dispensed in a college setting. WHY?)

  14. Pam@IW says

    Just saw this come across the news. An apology from Limbaugh.
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    “For over 20 years, I have illustrated the absurd with absurdity, three hours a day, five days a week. In this instance, I chose the wrong words in my analogy of the situation. I did not mean a personal attack on Ms. Fluke.

    I think it is absolutely absurd that during these very serious political times, we are discussing personal sexual recreational activities before members of Congress. I personally do not agree that American citizens should pay for these social activities. What happened to personal responsibility and accountability? Where do we draw the line? If this is accepted as the norm, what will follow? Will we be debating if taxpayers should pay for new sneakers for all students that are interested in running to keep fit? In my monologue, I posited that it is not our business whatsoever to know what is going on in anyone’s bedroom nor do I think it is a topic that should reach a Presidential level.

    My choice of words was not the best, and in the attempt to be humorous, I created a national stir. I sincerely apologize to Ms. Fluke for the insulting word choices.”

  15. Holly says

    HB,
    I so agree with you that “birth control is not the issue but Obamacare is”. I seriously question the story that Ms. Fluke shared about her “friend” who had to have an Ovary removed because she could not afford Birth Control Pills. That does not even make sense if she was being treated by a competent doctor. First of all, every insurance company that we are appointed to: Anthem BC, Blue Shield, Health net and Assurant all cover PCOS (which is what this woman had)the treatment can be BC Pills but there are numerous other treatments. There are many places to get low cost BC Pills and many doctors have samples to dispense. If she was treated at the Student Health Center they would surely provide treatment for her at little or no cost or have a Free Clinic or Medi-Cal referral!
    As far as Obamacare, I am much more concerned with the next MANDATE which will go into effect in 2014. Every policy will have to cover Maternity, whether it is my Individual Policy or my 25 year old Son’s policy. If either one of us got pregnant it would be a Medical Miracle!
    The vast majority of plans sold today do not cover maternity. Just a gut-check estimate from our clientele might put the percentage at 90-95% plus for non-maternity. Those plans are underwritten and priced without the potential expense to maternity which will likely add 15-20% to the cost right off the bat. This is on top of the annual medical inflation which will likely run low double digits or higher. This is a big hit when few people can already afford health insurance as it is. CalHealth.net
    Once again, why should I have to incur the cost of someone else’s Maternity coverage? This is just not right! Also all HRT drugs are covered on Health Insurance Policies as long as you have prescription coverage as part of your plan.

  16. Samantha@IW says

    I’m not a Rush fan either. He gets these ratings because he says things like this- I swear my democrat friends know way more about Rush and what he’s said lately than any of my Republican friends. They listen because they know he’s going to say something ludicrous and that’s part of the draw. Not for me.

    I’m so sick of this birth control debate. If you can’t come out of pocket $9 a month for birth control than you can’t afford to have sex, because you most assuredly couldn’t afford a child. With all the problems facing our country I find it hard to believe this is such an issue.

  17. says

    Samantha,

    It’s like a planted issue for the Dems, lets talk about birth control instead of gas prices, loosing jobs, inflation, ,housing market, drilling, foreign countries—-IRAN, just to name a few seems a bit silly doesn’t it? I know several young women who got free birth control from Planned Parenthood. Guess Ms. Georgetown better visit a free clinic if she can’t afford her birth control pills.

  18. says

    Snickers, so you acknowledge that Rush and his big mouth aren’t necessarily helpful to the Republican cause? Can you really blame the Democrats for jumping on an issue that they know will appeal to women (and many men) across party lines? It’s Politics 101. Rush (and others) have handed them a golden opportunity. I guess I just don’t understand how anyone who is the parent of a daughter can consider Rush’s comments “satire.” So ugly.
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    MarieS – good points. There is a lot to contemplate with this issue, but I was just interested in whether conservatives felt that Rush was helpful to their cause. I agree that Bill Maher, MSNBC and others on the left have been disrespectful to women. I have said that many times. Anyone who has read any of my posts knows I’m not a fan of MSNBC based on their bias against Hillary Clinton in the last election cycle and many other failings on their part. I respect some of their hosts – such as Rachel Maddow – who I don’t always agree with, but are who are calm and respectful, but I try and stay with CNN. I give them credit for covering Syria and other issues that other news networks are ignoring when they pursue sillier stories – like this one!

  19. HB says

    Pam, thanks for posting Rush’s website response. Our local DC radio stations came on w. “breaking news” in re. to his response.

    No doubt, women’s issues ARE part of the liberal machine’s menu as a way to whip out the vote. Obamacare IS on the lips of just about every military person that we know. Everyone fighting for freebies…that are NOT FREE. I cringed when I heard snippets of Rush’s take…but I had a more visceral reaction when I heard what is to be done w. military/VETERAN’S healthcare! A complete dumping of our warriors, past & present, by raising OUR costs by 300%. The President had a sampling WH dinner celebrating warriors last week…& the next day is his breaking news via Sebilius – thank you for your service & go fend for yourself. Yes, our caring Commander-in-Chief & his devoted wife, whose focus is on military families (not to forget obesity), KNOWS all too well WHERE to go for his continued ‘social engineering’ w. little consequence.

    I’d love to chat w. Ms. Fluke. She’s angry…so am I. I’d like to have had her walk in my shoes when I was told by a military Dr. that I needed a mammogram – he felt something I didn’t. Mammogram was scheduled…in 8 months. Yep, that’s ‘socialized medicine’ for you. FYI…we PAID out of our paycheck for TriCare, but since we ‘lived within 50 miles of a military hospital’…OUT of POCKET for a civilian MD. Sure, I could have waited 8 mos. w/o cost…BUT what woman would? Hmmm, I wonder how many courtesy calls Obama will make to those military he so appreciates – who have no VOICE!

  20. MarieS says

    Rush as republican spokesman:
    There was a point in the last presidential election that more than one republican candidate went to Rush Limbaugh hat in hand to apologize, explain, change their mind. I think, for me, that’s when I felt that he was a spokesman. Since that time you don’t see that anymore. This election cycle the only candidate speaking for Rush has been Newt and that hardly qualifies as Rush is a spokesman. But the perception is still there. So if he acts stupid, people will read it as the republican position is stupid. The left certainly is going to capitalize on this but the only way to stop the perception is for the right to speak up louder than Rush. Is that even possible? So there are all these independents that are being turned off to the republicans because of Rush’s insanity.

    MSNBC and why I mad at them:
    I loved watching Morning Joe. They had regular contributors that were left, right and every variation. Then they decided that Pat Buchanan was too inflammatory. I enjoyed him. I enjoyed him because I didn’t agree with most everything he said but he brought so much to the discourse. It was a reasonable and civil discourse. He was a walking history lesson. He knew and could remember the senator that first introduced something 30 years ago. And now he’s gone. I actually wrote a boycott threat. The hosts, Joe and Mika, wrote publicly about their distaste for it. Just still ticks me off.

    HB:
    Check out who the disabled veterans feel is responsible for the VA issue. http://www.disabledveterans.org/2011/04/16/republicans-seek-to-cut-1-3-million-veterans/

  21. says

    I haven’t read through all the comments yet, but as a Catholic I would have to say this:
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    1- Calling someone a slut is cruel. He owes her an apology. Jesus took the side of the adultress, not that of the Pharisees and stoners. I have found Rush foolish and unentertaining and offensive for years now.
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    2- The Catholic Church has consistently taught that all forms of contraception devalue marriage and the sanctity and dignity of the individual made in the image and likeness of God. That’s 2,000 years of constistency on this point.
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    3- Viagara encourages sex between married couples, the only kind of sex condoned by the Catholic Church. Why would a Church that promotes sex in a marriage refuse to pay for a treatment for ED? I am really not saying anything new here. A discussion of Viagara versus the Pill as sexist is comparing apples and oranges. Instead, compare the Catholic Church’s position on paying for condoms versus the Pill. It is a consistent teaching; not sexist at all. All forms of contraception are taught to be sinful, the same for the boys as for the ladies. It’s a tough teaching, but there it is. It applies to all, male and female alike.
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    4- Ms. Fluke should expect to be treated with respect when speaking out on this issue- and I disagree with her 100%- but she has discussed her private sex life publicly, so it is she who made the issue public.
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    5- The Obama administration is not requiring the Church to pay for contraceptive coverage for its employees who work directly for the Church in it’s diocesan and parish offices. Why not? Why would the Church have to provide contraceptive coverage for its school and hospital employees? Schools and hospitals are directly linked to the Church’s mission, are properties OWNED by the Church, and CANNOT function as Catholic institutions without the permission of the Bishop in whose diocese they are located. THEY ARE PART OF THE CHURCH. They have ALWAYS been part of the Catholic Church. Always. Founded in imitation of Christ as a teacher and healer. The Obama Administration has NO RIGHT to say otherwise.
    It is not only a RELIGIOUS FREEDOM issue. It is a PROPERTY rights issue.
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    6- The whole thing has served to unite a politically divided Church (Catholics usually vote about 50-50 Democrat to Republican) against the Democrats.
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    7- I think, if pushed, many bishops will close the schools and hospitals rather than give in to this insane, un-American mandate forcing the Church to violate her own teachings. St. Thomas Moor lost his head rather than sign something that violated his conscience. The Carthusian monks were drawn and quartered for the same thing. The Church makes Saints of the men and women who refuse to violate their consciences rather than appease the King. I expect the Bishops will try to work this out with His Royal Higness and hopefully he will back down. We’ll see.

  22. MarieS says

    Ann –
    I’m a Catholic too. :)

    1 – Yes, that was just wrong. I know Rush has spent years calling people names and I have spent years rolling my eyes.

    2 – No it’s not been that consistent. The Catholic church actually wasn’t against abortion at one point in it’s way distant past. It certainly has been a consistent point for a very long time. But anytime we go back in history we find married priests, married popes – all kinds of foolishness.

    3 – They cover viagra regardless of marital status. So I still have a problem with the double standard. When I say they – I’m talking about hospitals since that is the area that I’ve worked with for 30 years.

    4 – Absolutely. In fact the interviews really do show that the pundits are more shocked and outrages than she is. I initially thought that the Republican called hearing that didn’t allow her to participate was going to be the talking point. Never try to guess the hot button is my lesson learned.

    5 – Churches are tax exempt. Schools and Hospitals that have employees that are covered by FICA are not. There are some schools that use only ministers as teachers and therefore they are paid as clergy and part of the church. So there is a difference. You find all kinds of fascinating corporate structures with churches. Things have to be kept in very distinct buckets to maintain the tax exempt status.

    6 – 98% of Catholic women polled used birth control. I think a lot of them smile and nod but do what is best for their lives. I come from a family with 8 children. You don’t see that anymore and I don’t believe for one minute that people have become better at rhythm.

    7 – States that already have this regulation in place (mostly in the south) have not seen any closure of institutions. They have seen fewer religious employers opting to be self insured.

  23. Holly says

    Just watched an interview with Debbie Wasserman Schultz on Meet the Press. No on grates on my nerves and gets me angry like she does. She is the most Partisan,unyielding , dishonest Politician I have ever heard. She makes up her own “facts” and can never answer a question directly. Of course she brought up Rush Limbaugh and that none of the Republican Candidates demanded he apologize. Funny Pres. Obama never asked for an apology from Bill Maher, Gov. Jerry Brown, Ed Schultz, or Sen Alan Grayson for their remarks!
    As far as Rush Limbaugh goes I put him in the same category as Howard Stern or Don Imus. They each have around the same amount of listeners and they all say sexist stupid ridiculous comments. I don’t know one person and I am an Independent from any Party who would look at Rush Limbaugh for guidance when it cones to politics. He’s an entertainer, that’s all. I agree with Samantha that the Democrats know more about Rush than the Republicans and will use him as a tool for negative propaganda.
    HB, as far as Kathleen Sebelius, she is one of the most dangerous women in the Cabinet right now and by the time the People wake up, it will be too late. Once again I say: Wake up People!

  24. CoCoPuff says

    Don Imus and Rick Sanchez are just a few Journalist who have been fired for racist comments.
    IMO what Rush Limbaugh said was EQUALLY offensive.

  25. says

    CoCoPuff,

    While I agree Rush’s comments were offensive, he is not running for political office. I was more offended by the BJ Clinton got in the Oval office. Rush could have stated his opinion using different words, but if ever person got their “want” list from the gov, when would it stop? Are we going to fire everyone for an opinion?

  26. Chardonnay says

    I do think if insurance companies are going to cover viagra, they should cover birth control. I don’t bother listening to Rush Limbaugh. He’s always been, and always will be, imo, a racist pig! JennieIW, I am outraged that an all-male panel was convened to discuss WOMEN’S birth control. I agree with everything you’ve said. @PamIW I saw the apology. I see it as too little, too late and most likely made because he was losing sponsors.

  27. CoCoPuff says

    I don’t even listen to him, I caught his show for a few minutes a few times in the past.
    He is a pompous A hole IMO, So yes I turned the channel.
    My point is if others were fired for their comments WHY is Rush not?
    IMO a opinion is just that a OPINION~ but it is different when a opinion is meant to offend a race or sex.
    And Rush should not be compared to Howard Stern~People that listen to Howard Stern know what to expect.

  28. says

    CoCo,

    People who listen to Rush also know what to expect. Sometimes he screams like a girl, he does it for his audiance. We could fire everyone of them if we didn’t like what they said. Some offend, and get away with it. Obama has offended people, made harsh statements pointing his finger at others, but being the leader of our great country, being President, he get a pass. Standing by J Wright comes to mind.

  29. Holly says

    Funny, Ed Schultz said this:
    “President Obama is going to be visiting Joplin, Mo., on Sunday but you know what they’re talking about, like this right-wing slut, what’s her name? Laura Ingraham? Yeah, she’s a talk slut.” Somehow he and his fat mouth are still on MSNBC and he is considered a serious political commentator! Personally, I don’t see Rush Limbaugh any differently than Howard Stern. He is a juvenile boorish insulting guy who will do anything for ratings. I think most people know exactly what they are going to get when they turn on his show and if they don’t like it, they turn it off. I would never listen to him but I defend another’s right to do so. I would never listen to Randy Rhoades or Al Sharpton either but I do not want them censored. That’s a very slippery slop!

  30. CoCoPuff says

    Holly said… I would never listen to Randy Rhoades or Al Sharpton either but I do not want them censored. That’s a very slippery slop!
    ******************

    It is a very slippery slope ~ some fall and some don’t.

  31. CoCoPuff says

    I also want to add ~ This has nothing to do with anyone’s religious views on birth control~ this has to do with Rush Limbaughs VIEW of Woman!

  32. HB says

    Lovely…such brilliant name-calling in re. to Rush. I’d expected a better tone here on IW. It goes hand in glove w. what I just read w. the grand scheme of Obama’s campaign…he did NOT need a Rush to call a Ms. Fluke out. O’s lip-service was in double-speak in re. to the Catholic Church. The WH is so giddy that they called Barnard College (affiliated w. Columbia U.) to offer up Obama as their commencement speaker. My, My…just how shallow does one man’s campaign for the female vote need to be than to select a VERY liberal, all-women’s college…when they’d already chosen a female speaker that was disinvited…happily!

    As for an all-male panel convening in re. to ‘women’s healthcare’…Code Pink had no problem w. it…nor apparently did Ms. Fluke. Nor do I have a problem w. having a very respected MALE OB/GYN or GP making my personal healthcare decisions. Remember…this is Obamacare, not Michellecare. (I do have to laugh…my husband’s GP is a female.)

    I guess since Obama campares himself to Gandhi & Nelson Mandela…there is little room for humility from this leader of the Free World. Afterall…he did get the Nobel Peace Prize ~

  33. CoCoPuff says

    I am very sorry if my views about Mr Limbaugh offended anyone, but I want to make my self clear ~my opinion of Rush Limbaugh has NOTHING to do with his political or religious views.

  34. says

    1-I agree that Rush is WAY out of line calling anyone a slut. Ugh. I really had enough of him after I heard him berate drug addicts then defend his own drug abuse as a response to his chronic pain. Um, I believe a LOT of women who abuse drugs do so as a result of the chronic emotional pain of YEARS of sexual abuse or neglect as children, teens, and later young women. Emotional pain is every bit as debilitating as physical pain, and often far more so. Most suicides are the result of emotional pain, not physical pain. Ugh. He makes me so annoyed! Well, I am ranting now about Rush Limbaugh and I getting annoyed all over again!
    .
    Marie S- some responses to your responses.
    2-Yes, the teaching regarding abortion and contraceptives has been very consistent. I have seen the arguments about Aquinas’ musings on ensoulment and I am afraid you won’t find him arguing for abortion as a result. The Teaching is the Teaching whether we like it or not. There have always been Catholics who disagree with Church teaching, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t Church teaching.
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    3- Thanks, I did not know they do not consider marital status regarding Viagra. Maybe they should…to be consistent, since I think that is problematic now. However, Viagra has nothing to do with the teaching on contraception. Apples and oranges. I won’t defend the practice though because it appears it violates another Church teaching to me, too.
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    4- I stand by what I said about what rightly belongs to the Church versus what stands alone as an independednt institution. I really don’t think the goverment is justified in determining that a Catholic hospital or University or grammar school is not *enough* a part of the Church to protect the right of conscience. It’s actually insane to me to think otherwise! It disgusts me that any government official would even try deciding which of the religious institution’s properties is “Catholic” enough. Tax exempt status is a different issue than this one. Let me put it this way: if the Church and her ministers agree to pay taxes on income for parishes and employees, can they opt out of this noxious rule? No, they cannot. They can preach from the pulpit against Obama directly and by name, but they will still be put under the same threat of fines no matter what. The tax exempt rule is optional. This one is not.
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    5- Do 98% of fertile Catholic women in the US practice borth control? I certainly agree with your take on this! I have news for you: 98% of fertile, Catholic women tell lies, gossip, judge each other harshly, and forget to honor their mothers as well as the Lord commands. That doesn’t make any of it OK in the eyes of the Church. When Popes have affairs, murder their political adversaries, or deny the Lord three times before a cock crows, the Church still calls those things sins- and they still get to be Popes! The Church has NEVER taken a vote among its Faithful to decide on Church teaching. In fact, she has a name for the Christians who do that: Protestants.
    So whether Catholic women want it or not is completely immaterial. The question at hand is not, “Is contraception paid for by the Catholic Church for women who are in its employ a good thing?” The question is, “Is it alright to force the Catholic Church to violate its own teaching under the Constitution of the United States?” The answer in in the First Amendment.

  35. says

    Coc Puff #37- I also think Rush Limbaugh comes across as anti-woman. I agree with Holly that he is boorish. I do think he influences the way some of his listeners think.

  36. CoCoPuff says

    Have you seen this Ann? ~http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-wexler/thank-you-rush-limbaugh_b_1317820.html

  37. MarieS says

    I’m just going down to this one. Hospitals and colleges that are religious based take A LOT of tax money. The lobby to be the MRI center for a 100 mile area. Another hospital cannot just open it’s doors down the street. Their patient population is very regulated. They can’t just close the doors. They can sell to another healthcare group but they are bound by years of tax money and grants to stay where they are and in some circumstances they are bound to offer certain services. If the city gives them the license for the MRI they are bound to offer that service. They can’t just change their mind. You would be amazed at the millions that go into St. Mary’s Hospital (run by the Franciscan nuns, better known as the hospital arm of the Mayo Clinic). So if we say that we have financed you being the premier and only hospital within x miles then as the only employer you have responsibilities to the community. The community they serve supports them with money, land grants, tax deferrals, equipment purchase. If you don’t want the responsibility that’s fine. But then don’t get in line for the opportunities.

    This regulation only covers employers that have had tax consideration from the Federal government. The term Catholic enough isn’t what this is about. It’s about being tax exempt. You can’t be tax exempt and then take tax money. I don’t have a problem with that. It’s up to the parish to decide where they want to draw their line.

    Ok, I want to answer this but I’m not sure I’m understanding. Maybe I already answered it.

    …if the Church and her ministers agree to pay taxes on income for parishes and employees, can they opt out of this noxious rule?…

    Apologies to all that are tired of this – I did receive 12 years of a Catholic education – all of it Jesuit.

  38. Holly says

    MarieS,
    Thank you for sharing that info. I did not realize that the location of opening hospitals was so highly regulated and that they received so much money in Govt Grants,Land Grants etc. I understand what you are saying and I see your point.
    My Son went to a Catholic High School but they did not take any money from the Archdiocese so they did not have to be “controlled” by them.

  39. stu says

    Oh my God Rush called a women a slut..Rush said this and Rush said that. You give power to these people by elevating what they said into national talk. So many people have said so many things that everyone gets insulted. So what. When did we become such a weak nation that simple words are making people go nuts. Yes it’s as simple as changing a channel or go out and boycott their sponsors. Just grow up! Look Rush has said this type of stuff for over twenty years and he has always stepped over the line. I don’t listen to him cause his type of show is not for me. Everyone has had valid points for the most part …but as we keep talking about him it gives him more attention.

  40. JennieIW says

    So the many, many women who use birth control for other medical conditions are just SOL, then? Maybe the Church should refuse to pay for medications for obesity-related diseases, since gluttony is a deadly sin.
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    The Viagra v. birth control debate is relevant because in both cases it can be prescribed and used for other reasons. A married man can get Viagra and use it to commit adultery. An unmarried man can get Viagra. Religious institutions apparently have NO problem with either of these situations. It’s only when a woman’s sexuality is involved (even if it ISN’T; even if she is using the bc for other reasons) that everyone is up in arms.
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    I can’t believe that this is being framed as something that Democrats are trying to make an issue. The fact is that this debate has been part of a concerted POLITICAL effort by the Catholic Church and other “religious” entities to roll back women’s rights. Believe me, I am also flabbergasted (and appalled) that we are having this discussion in 2012.
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    One thing that is crazy to me is that so many conservatives abhor abortion, and don’t want to pay for (through welfare or whatever) children that other people can’t afford. Birth control is a SOLUTION to these problems. You’d think that social and fiscal conservatives would realize that.

  41. says

    Stu says…Yes it’s as simple as changing a channel or go out and boycott their sponsors.
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    95% of the time I agree with you, changing the channel or removing myself from talk that I find hateful or distasteful is the way to go, IMO. Life is too short to go around angry at angry people or trying to change minds that won’t be changed.
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    In this instance, I felt as the mother of a young woman the need to speak out. And I will boycott Rush’s sponsors (what is left of them). I imagine his show will go on though because despite the fact that no conservative or Republican on this website admits to listening to him, he is still the most widely known and listened to talk show host of Republicans and conservatives. He wasn’t given a 400 million contract because of his looks.

  42. Pam@IW says

    “I imagine his show will go on though because despite the fact that no conservative or Republican on this website admits to listening to him, he is still the most widely known and listened to talk show host of Republicans and conservatives.”
    .
    If I listened to him, I would admit it. I don’t listen to him. Never have. I kind of resent what that statement implicates.

  43. snickers says

    Ed on MSNBC was given a week off with no pay for calling Laura Ingram a talk “slut”. The sad thing is, it’s on both sides.

    I don’t listen to talk radio, heck everything they say that takes 2 hours a day to say, it’s all over the 6 o’clock news, of course just the things they put on the news for their ratings also.

  44. Pam@IW says

    I watch Fox news. I try to catch Bill O’Reilly most nights. I have no problem admitting that. I don’t always agree with what he says and I get upset with him for the way he interrupts people. I enjoy watching Megyn Kelly.

  45. HB says

    I admit, I DO listen to the radio ~ whenever I’m within earshot. Old habits die hard. When we moved to DC, the clearest channel was ‘local’ talk radio (ABC affiliate). A novelty to live within the shadow of Capitol Hill, & actually hear our country’s reps. interviewed…both sides of the aisle. As well as getting to hear local politicians & what’s up w. our ‘community’. Unfortunately, radio stations gradually let go of most local talent. Enter syndicated shows & Rush…2 yrs. after he’d apparently been on the air. Then came Sean Hannity & Mark Levin (a family acquaintance). Anyway, if I said I actually HEAR an hour of radio a day…might be an exaggeration – but it’s company I do enjoy in an empty nest while doing KP-duty. IF I agreed w. everything I hear…what kind of entertainment is that?

    Anya, your article turned out to be on the cutting edge. I salute you! I’m only sorry Rush became the story that this WH could USE in lieu of what is REALLY important. Yes, Rush STILL has chronic back pain, & yes, he was addicted to Oxycodone…& yes, he is totally deaf & his cochlear ear transplant is now fading. Yet what I do find telling…a radio guy has become so important that national news halts b/c a female activist, of NO renown – was trashed. I hope she finishes law school & joins the ranks of a successful advocate. She certainly sparked liberal social media as well. Her story has galvanized fund raising. Rush gave her just what she wanted, & I repeat…to think our President would CALL her is ‘the rest of the story’.

    Pam, do I ever agree w. your choice of Megyn Kelly! That is a lady I’d love to have lunch with ~

  46. HB says

    MarieS…you forgot to include Rochester Methodist Hospital in that Mayo Healthcare network. Nor the fact that they all are required to take Medicaid.

  47. Pam@IW says

    HB,
    I know. I just really enjoy her and a few of the other ladies on Fox.
    .
    Since we are admitting to who we watch or listen to (is this some part of a 12 step program that only Conservatives must go through?), I do occasionally listen to Howard Stern. Mostly in the car when my husband listens. But the thing that I must admit to is that I sometimes enjoy his program. I only brought this up because someone mentioned him up thread. Howard is an entertainer and the life he lives privately is nothing like the public persona he puts out there. I can only listen to him in small doses and there are things he says and does that cross the line, but at times I find him entertaining. Way off topic here, I know.

  48. Lily@IW says

    What an interesting read. Words like “slut and whore” are so sexist. I didn’t know Rush was still on the air. I can’t stand him, I think he’s a pig. There will always be voices for the extremists, but they irk me.

  49. CJ says

    Where was all of this outrage when Ed Schultz called Laura Ingraham a slut? They took him off the air for five days and it was over. NOW wasn’t there defending Laura, nor were any of the other leftest groups. Was either Schultz or Limbaugh corrrect to call a woman a slut? No. But lets at least have the same standards for both sides.

  50. CJ says

    Where was the IW article on “Liberals, Wake-up, The Huffington Post is Hurting Your Cause” when they published Larry Doyle’s article comparing the Catholic Mass to cannibalistic reverie? Do you think the Huffington Post is good for the liberal cause? Do you think they will inspire people to come out and vote the democrat ticket in November? Oh, right. Their answer to all of the outcry was that it was “comedy.”

  51. Jennie@IW says

    Pam, I think all Anya is saying is that the claims that Rush doesn’t speak for Republicans is belied by his obvious power and his listenership. He’s not some dinky local radio host that made these comments and then they were blown up for political reasons. He may not have a lot of fans on this site (though he seems to have a lot of defenders) but he does have a lot of fans in general.
    .
    Ed on MSNBC was given a week off with no pay for calling Laura Ingram a talk “slut”. The sad thing is, it’s on both sides.
    .
    You’re right. Ed Schultz is gross. I don’t approve of calling any woman a “slut” – it’s just not necessary and not even, by the loosest definitions, accurate in either the case of Ingram or Fluke.
    .
    I will say that I think the trend was started by conservative commentators (like Limbaugh and Beck) and that they’ve been the most prominent and egregious offenders. I’m not trying to pull out a “you did it first” argument because wrong is wrong, but I do think context counts. One thing is not like the other, necessarily. Calling a woman a slut for advocating for the health-care rights of all women is just egregiously bad, no matter who says it. That it was said by someone with a following like Limbaugh’s makes it worthy of attention.

  52. Jennie@IW says

    Question: why can’t any conservative here just say this was WRONG without defensive qualifiers? Why can’t you all say it was wrong without bringing up Sharpton, Schultz, etc.? If you want to write an article about what a jerk Michael Moore or Bill Maher is, have at it. I’d probably even agree with you, and manage to do it without making excuses or bringing up George Bush or John Boehner or various extraneous people who have nothing to do with the subject. I am a liberal, and proud of it, but I am not a mindless knee jerk defender of all liberals and their behavior.
    .
    Why will no one address the issue of women who use birth control for other medical reasons? Why will no one back off the ridiculous suggestions that Georgetown’s insurance plan effects them at all in a financial sense, as if they themselves being forced to pay for someone else’s bc when that’s not the issue here AT ALL? If someone is paying for insurance, guess what? They are paying for their own damn birth control, albeit at a reduced rate. That’s the freaking point of insurance. The issue here is arbitrarily excluding medication and medical services for political reasons, because some people are incredibly concerned with controlling women’s sexual behavior.

  53. CJ says

    Liberal writer Kirsten Powers has an excellent article in the 3/4/12 Daily Beast. She is correctly holding ALL of the misogynist men accountable. Not only Rush Limbaugh, but Chris Matthews, Bill Maher and Keith Olbermann. She addresses a far more serious issue than birth control, but the very idea that women would dare to think or have an opinion.

  54. HB says

    CCP…I assume you know Media Matters is the liberal PAID tool to monitor ‘talk radio’…namely any conservative voice. They get their talking points directly from 1600 communications. (They are best known for their ANTI Israel…anti-Semitic stance.) Ms. Fluke apparently encouraged The View listeners to go to Media Matters for the list of other conservatives who have been as wrong as Rush… While you’re at it, click on The Daily Caller for more details.

    Jennie, I am NOT an apologist for Rush. I am quite frankly angry that the subject of contraception is a talking point. NO CONSERVATIVE wants to deny Ms. Fluke or anyone else access to birth control – pregnancy is NOT a disease. ‘Social issues’ are/have been what rallies the liberal base. Get to jobs/economy/defense etc. & just WHO is worried about that? Is Obama still blaming Bush? No, he is back to blaming Wall Street. WHY? Those ‘occupiers’ need reorganizing. (Unfortunately, many are in jail.) Then again, Bill Maher gave $1M to Obama’s super pac…so who knows.

    Sorry, I am spitting nails.

  55. Pam@IW says

    “Jennie, I am NOT an apologist for Rush.”
    .
    Ditto
    .
    “Pam, I think all Anya is saying is that the claims that Rush doesn’t speak for Republicans is belied by his obvious power and his listenership.”
    .
    “Power”…I am not buying that. Just because people listen does not mean he controls their minds. I watch Bill and that bumps up his numbers but I certainly do not agree with him on many issues. Both Bill and Rush offer their opinion. There is also an entertainment factor to what they do. Power…I don’t think so.

  56. Pam@IW says

    From the article linked above:
    .
    “But when it comes to high-profile campaigns to hold these men accountable—such as that waged against Limbaugh—the real fury seems reserved only for conservatives, while the men on the left get a wink and a nod as long as they are carrying water for the liberal cause.

    After all, if Limbaugh’s outburst is part of the “war on women,” then what is the routine misogyny of liberal media men?

    It’s time for some equal-opportunity accountability. Without it, the fight against media misogyny will continue to be perceived as a proxy war for the Democratic Party, not a fight for fair treatment of women in the public square.”

  57. HB says

    It’s been interesting to see Powers mellow. I applaud her ability to think beyond her liberal tenets.

    I wonder if the fact that Ms. Fluke not only wants FREE birth control, but she also wants FREE ‘gender reassingment’ included in Georgetown’s health care… will ever hit the mainstream media.

    I said ‘spitting nails’…it’s not about this topic, it’s the fact that dozens of lives have been lost in our ‘Heartland’, as well as 1,000’s of lives that have been altered w. tornadoes…& listen to what dominates the NEWS???? What NEXT?

  58. Holly says

    Jennie said:
    “I’m not trying to pull out a “you did it first” argument because wrong is wrong, but I do think context counts. One thing is not like the other, necessarily. Calling a woman a slut for advocating for the health-care rights of all women is just egregiously bad, no matter who says it.”
    Jennie, you are trying to pull out a “you did it first” argument by stating that. As far as “context counts” I don’t think calling a young woman who is advocating for free birth control for all women, a “slut” is more concerning than calling Laura Ingraham or Sarah Palin or Meg Whitman a “slut”. It upsets me that women feel if other women don’t believe in their agenda(social and political views) they are somehow less worthy of defending when they are treated badly by the media.
    To me, the whole point of the Women’s Movement was to protect the rights of ALL women against sexism,discrimination, and abuse of all kinds. ALL women means working women and homemakers and Republicans and Democrats. It doesn’t mean “only those women that have the same agenda we do” although from your comment Jennie, I think that is what you believe

  59. says

    David Friend sums up why a lot of women and men are upset – we have daughters. I do think Ms. Fluke (even if you disagree with her) was/is well-intentioned. The frenzy this has created demonstrates to me that this totally unjustified attack on a private citizen has appalled many and this time people aren’t just saying “that’s just Rush being Rush.”
    .
    A Statement from David Friend, CEO of Carbonite:

    “No one with daughters the age of Sandra Fluke, and I have two, could possibly abide the insult and abuse heaped upon this courageous and well-intentioned young lady. Mr. Limbaugh, with his highly personal attacks on Miss Fluke, overstepped any reasonable bounds of decency. Even though Mr. Limbaugh has now issued an apology, we have nonetheless decided to withdraw our advertising from his show. We hope that our action, along with the other advertisers who have already withdrawn their ads, will ultimately contribute to a more civilized public discourse.”

  60. says

    HB, thank you for the kind words regarding the article. They mean a lot and I appreciate your contributions to making it a lively and interesting thread!
    .
    CJ says…Do you think the Huffington Post is good for the liberal cause? Do you think they will inspire people to come out and vote the democrat ticket in November?
    .
    CJ, I find it hard to compare Rush to the Huffington Post. The Huffington Post is huge with hundreds (just taking a stab here) of bloggers writing pieces every day. There are a variety of opinions there. Yes, they do swing left. I’m sure there are articles that I would find offensive. Ha, some of you may remember my rant on a certain entertainment reporter that did a hatchet job on Kate Gosselin! :-)
    .
    I don’t know that I think HuffPo will have an effect one way or another on November’s elections. I DO think, however, that Rush is currently inspiring a lot of deep thought among independents and moderate women who previously planned to stay home or vote Republican in November. Of course, it’s a long way to election day. In that way, Republicans should be thankful Rush made this comment in March and not October.

  61. Samantha@IW says


    Question: why can’t any conservative here just say this was WRONG without defensive qualifiers? Why can’t you all say it was wrong without bringing up Sharpton, Schultz, etc.? If you want to write an article about what a jerk Michael Moore or Bill Maher is, have at it. I’d probably even agree with you, and manage to do it without making excuses or bringing up George Bush or John Boehner or various extraneous people who have nothing to do with the subject. I am a liberal, and proud of it, but I am not a mindless knee jerk defender of all liberals and their behavior.

    Because there is a glaring double standard and I’m tired of it. For example, Bill Maher calls Sarah Palin a c*** and its swept under the rug. I think that’s relevant to this conversation. Regardless of what anyone thinks, I do not listen to Rush. Obviously, someone does- across party lines, but I’m not one of them.

    Also- I can’t remember the last time I read anything in critique of Obama that some democrat didn’t blame Bush.

  62. says

    My thoughts continue to ramble on my mind concerning males calling any women a slut, and worse. It’s time all women stand together and tell all men to knock if off, both sides and the in- betweens.

    As for the election vote, grandstanding comes from both sides, and I think American voters are smart enough to look at the real issues we are facing and not the name calling going on. It’s the shock value they want, not a crisis we are facing in our great country right now.

  63. Holly says

    Samantha said:
    Because there is a glaring double standard and I’m tired of it. For example, Bill Maher calls Sarah Palin a c*** and its swept under the rug. I think that’s relevant to this conversation.
    I so agree with you. I think it is absolutely terrible for anyone to call any woman a “slut”. I just think that the disdain and punishment should be the same no matter which party the person represents. I think Ms. Fluke was well spoken, calm, and professional. I don’t agree with her premise that Birth Control should be free or that Georgetown University should change their policy (which she was familiar with before she attended) for her, but I do believe she should be treated with respect and civility.

  64. says

    Pam says…Since we are admitting to who we watch or listen to (is this some part of a 12 step program that only Conservatives must go through?)
    .
    Hey, I watch the Real Housewives, so you know I have no room to judge anyone. ;-) I have also listened to Stern. I listen to Sean Hannity from time to time. I disagree with him 90% of the time, but he is generally civil which is a must for me. Marie mentioned Joe Scarbough, I don’t get up early enough to watch, but I follow him on Twitter and I like him. (He’s cute!). I listen to both liberal and conservative talk show hosts on local radio. I agree with the liberals more than the conservatives, but I like the insights I get and have found myself agreeing with the other side and disagreeing with my side plenty of times.
    .
    I understand the posters on here don’t listen to Rush, but please do not underestimate the power he holds. I don’t think any of you are “ditto heads” anyway, but for a long time, Republicans have felt the need to court Rush. Even today, Romney jumped right in and said he “accepted Rush’s apology.” LOL. To his credit, he quicky realized how *that* sounded, and made it clear the apology wasn’t directed at HIM.
    .
    For a quick illustration of Rush’s popularity, let’s look at Facebook “likes” for the following conservative media personalities:

    171,000- Laura Ingraham
    334,000 – Mark Levin
    515,000 – Bill O’Reilly
    825,000 – Sean Hannity
    1.38 million – Rush Limbaugh
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    Ok, enough from me. I’m off to read CoCo and CJ’s links.

  65. Adele says

    To be accurate Bill Maher never used the c word. He made an off handed remark about Sarah Palin being a dumb t word. Same meaning…different word. It was a ridiculous remark. I hate both of those words. So very demeaning. Don’t see the comparison though of an off handed remark (as vile as it was) as opposed to going on and on for three days about a private citizen.

    I have not listened to either of these people personally. I had to google each instance to read about what was said. I try to stay away from those kind of hateful sounding people, life is too short.

  66. stu says

    Stop already with all this fake outrage. I see it here, on radio, and on the blogs. There is only one thing going on here….Dems, the left, and liberals see a chance to knock Rush down and maybe knock him out for good. What a prize that would be. The “Head of the Republicans” knocked out. You could just tell how orchestrated this is. Every main stream news outlet can’t stop reporting on it even today. How funny is it that Al{tax evader}Sharpton was on a Morning Show spewing his normal hate at Rush…anyone remember Tawana Brawley? Let’s not forget NOW either…what a joke…they only condemn the right. How’s that for Women’s support.
    All of you who are so angry at the “Slut” word lose all credibility cause you can’t condemn your own. Ever listen to Maher,Molloy,Sharpton,Olberman, and so many other’s who seem just to hate women on the Right. Oh boy and Fluke…a 30 year old who testifies at a Democratic Congressional Hearing lost her right to being a private person. By the way she should not have been called a slut but until you call everybody out like you are Rush stop the fake outrage. Don’t tell me this is not political when Pelosi and Obama call Fluke to console her! Yeah that’s not political!

  67. HB says

    stu, I think most of #75 falls on deaf ears in re. to Ms. Fluke. As w. those who do testify…there has always been a vetting process to qualify particular involvement & expertise in re. to ANY hearing. Ms. Fluke was drafted at the last minute by Pelosi etc. Knowing full well what her history was at Columbia & her years before she chose Georgetown. This committee did NOT want her testimony in a vacuum, but caved. To say she WAS a private citizen…true, but SHE lost that once she came before this committee. (My husband testifed years ago in uniform in re. to military budget…background history intensive.) Why was Fluke the annointed one to speak on behalf of all women at Georgetown? NO one had interviewed her in re. to her ‘friends tragic stories’. Are they true? There is more to be said about that, but it’s a non-starter.
    /
    As for the apology from Rush. Ms. Fluke has been all over the media announcing that she will NOT accept Rush’s apology. Surprise, surprise. The fact Steny Hoyer has suggested that Ms. Fluke sue Rush for libel…coming from the Minority Whip, & a lawyer who has been MD’s rep for decades…that is rich. Just a means to an end in the blood sport of politics & DIVERSION.
    /
    Be sure to tune into Obama’s 1st news conference…on ‘Super Tuesday’. How many questions will the press ask in re. to Ms. Fluke? Or will they ask about Iran, Iraq, Syria…Israel, or Russia. Gas prices, continued house foreclosures, Volt’s shutdown, ‘Fast & Furious’…his fundraising w. Clinton & the Wall St. millionaires in NYC…the list is so long, as are Obama’s answers w/o a teleprompter. (Yikes…as is MY own commentary.)

  68. Holly says

    Double Standard?????
    Wrong is wrong no matter who says it. I would like to see NOW boycott his show or at least defend the women being attacked.

    Maher has called Palin a “dumb twat” and dropped the C-word in describing the former Alaska governor. He called Palin and Congresswoman Bachmann “boobs” and “two bimbos.” He said of the former vice-presidential candidate, “She is not a mean girl. She is a crazy girl with mean ideas.” He recently made a joke about Rick Santorum’s wife using a vibrator. Imagine now the same joke during the 2008 primary with Michelle Obama’s name in it, and tell me that he would still have a job. Maher said of a woman who was harassed while breast-feeding at an Applebee’s, “Don’t show me your tits!” as though a woman feeding her child is trying to flash Maher. (Here’s a way to solve his problem: don’t stare at a strangers’ breasts). Then, his coup de grâce: “And by the way, there is a place where breasts and food do go together. It’s called Hooters!”

    Former White House deputy press secretary Bill Burton, the man who runs Obama’s super PAC, did not reply when asked if he will be returning Maher’s $1 million donation. From the Weekly Standard

  69. CJ says

    Aya, the Huffington Post, is a leftist publication and reaches far more people than Rush Limbaugh’s radio show. With AOL’s purchase of the HP, they reach 117 million Americans and 270 million globally. All of the articles written by “bloggers” and contributors are vetted by their editors. So, they do indeed speak with one voice. Of course, when they call women misogynist names or call Catholics cannibals, it is done in the name of “comedy.” I’m not Catholic, but found their recent attack on Catholics reprehensible.

  70. HB says

    Left talker, Stephanie Miller…’The GOP policies rape women’. Anyone care to clarify what she meant?
    /
    As for Bill Maher, when he first came on the scene, I found him funny. Unfortunately afer years of being a heavy pot smoker he has become an angry purveyor of gutter speak that is supposed to be funny. It’s NO secret that he is ‘stoned’. His defenders have used this as an EXCUSE. How telling is that?

  71. CoCoPuff says

    I realize many media outlets as well as individuals are using this as a reason to push their political views.
    I could care less what Rush Limbaugh’s political stance is.

    For me I am disgusted with Rush Limbaugh for the personal four day attack on Sandra Fluke. He accused her of having sex in sixth grade to asking her to film her self having sex and post it so he could watch .
    It was not just a few wrong choice words on his part ~ Then IMO he made it worse by his insincere apology.

  72. Marnie says

    ………….. This topic makes me happy and proud to be Canadian.

    Does anyone argue about diabetic drugs being covered? Some may say it’s an apples to oranges debate but it isn’t. It’s about choice in either instance. Any drug for any ailment has components of a lifestyle choice made to get to the point of needing medication.

  73. Paige says

    I am not outraged at Rush or anybody else. I stopped listening to him 17 years ago. I think he has always been a mean spirited person who capitalized on making fun of others. And yes, I know he is NOT the only one to do this.

    Without a doubt, the fallout on this is political. But just because there are pundits on the left who might be as bad, doesn’t mean Rush Limbaugh should get a pass. As CocoPuff indicated, he didn’t just call Fluke a “slut.” He tried to carry on and escalate his “cute” little attempt at satire for several days. Rush can hardly claim foul that this time his satire backfired.

  74. snickers says

    CoCoPuff,

    You need to listen to MSNBC and Bill Maher who donated 1 million to Obama Pac, and start slapping hands on both sides. Rush is owning the polkitical debate right now, something he is known for. I’m more disappointed that comments here do not stick up for all the other women who have been bashed in similar or worse comments. Listen to O today, he took the right to speak out and tell your feelings, so he condones what the libs have said about women in office or running for office.

  75. Holly says

    This thread is starting to give me a headache! As women we should be united in wanting to defend the rights and free speech of all women not just those that share the same political or social views that we do. When ANY woman is insulted or disrespected by someone in the media, we should all agree that it is wrong and take the same action in each situation. I don’t think one person here would defend Rush Limbaugh but I do think that many feel there is a double standard when a more Liberal commentator insults a Conservative woman and that is what is upsetting many of us. Wrong is Wrong.

  76. CoCoPuff says

    IA Wrong is wrong and the subject here is Rush Limbaugh.
    I feel this has taken a different turn and it reminds me of the child’s excuse ~ when they get caught being bad~ you ask them why they did it and they will say well billy did it also.
    As woman we should be appalled by ANYONE speaking so backwards and offensive.
    And BTW I am shocked and disgusted by Patricia Heaton’s words and personal attacks on Sandra Fluke ~(of everybody loves Raymond fame) ~ http://blog.sfgate.com/dailydish/2012/03/06/patricia-heaton-apologizes-for-joining-rush-limbaughs-attack-on-fluke/

  77. Pam@IW says

    Our threads are always open to whatever direction people want to take them. If they were not, we would not have much discussion going on. I think this particular post opens itself up to wide range of discussion. Otherwise, how many times can one say “Rush was wrong.”

  78. CoCoPuff says

    I appreciate how a thread here can go wherever. What I was trying to get across was ANYONE that speaks of woman in a offensive manner is WRONG!
    I guess it was taken wrong ~LOL

  79. says

    CoCoPuff,

    It was wrong, not blaming anyone for their point of view. I was just speaking about it has happened before from both sides and free speech applies to all.

    As a voter and a American, I see bigger issues in the political debates. Dow dropping 200 points today, high gas prices, housing, jobs, is on top of my list. Super Tuesday!

  80. says

    Paige says..As CocoPuff indicated, he didn’t just call Fluke a “slut.” He tried to carry on and escalate his “cute” little attempt at satire for several days.
    .
    Yes, I think many folks only have the sanitized Cliff Notes version of his remarks. It was truly ugly, gutter-level and woman hating language.
    .
    I am not faking any outrage, believe me. If Twitter is any indication, the outrage is very real among many.
    .
    Holly, I agree that as women we should stick together and speak out against hate speech. I have and will continue to do so whether it’s a liberal or conservative doing it. Unfortunately, it is simply not true that Rush doesn’t have his defenders. Go on his Facebook page. The top post has 18k comments, with about 75-80% completely positive and supportive. One guy said this: “Rush, you said what a lot of us were thinking.”
    .
    CoCo, Patricia Heaton kind of surprised me. I know she is very conservative, but I was surprised she went so low and juvenile with her remarks. That said, I think her apology is 1000 times more sincere than Rush’s. I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt for now. And again, she has the right to her opinion on the contraception issue. The outrage against Rush is NOT about him expressing his opinion. I’m sure Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity have expressed similar outlooks. It IS about his hate filled misogynistic attack spanning days against a private citizen who had the ‘audacity’ to want to speak to a Congressional panel and have her voice heard. The nerve of her!

  81. says

    CoCo, I saw the Jon Stewart piece last night. It was great.
    .
    Just fair warning, I know some of the conservatives on here don’t believe that Jon Stewart is unbiased. They may nicely tell you that!
    .
    I was in stiches last week, however, when Jon ridiculed Barbara Boxer. Funny stuff. :-)

  82. CJ says

    Snickers, how right you are! Lets forget about the skyrocketing cost of food and gas, the 14.5 million Americans still unemployed, the $15 trillion debt, the $71.5 trillion in unfunded debt liabilities, our 100% debt to GDP, the anemic economy,the recession in Europe, possible Euro debt default, the powder keg in the Middle East and focus on Rush Limbaughs comments. If we focus on Limbaughs comments, as the left wishes, we won’t worry about all those other silly matters. So what if the Dow was down over 200 today? The worldwide economic news that caused the markets to plummet today aren’t important. We need to fry Rush!

  83. HB says

    I love the selective outrage. Guess I’m missing why anyone would give hi-5’s thinking that closing down Limbaugh is just & well deserved. Sorry, but from my own point of view…the more voices, the merrier.
    /
    Forgive this conservative, but I actually thought most of Obama’s comments in his presser to the 2 questions in re. to Rush’s ill-chosen words…were spot on. [sic] He thought of his 2 girls in a similar situation…& hoped civil discourse would be in their future etc. I’d like to think that is exactly what he thought when he decided to call Sandra Fluke. I’d liked to have had him go further…& encourage people to move on & NOT focus on destroying a man’s passion, that happens to be talk radio. Then again, this is all about POLITICS.
    /
    Anya, thank you for the buyer beware in re. to Stewart. He’s neither a liberal or a conservative? He’s good. Really, really good if that’s what he’s selling to his viewers. Kinda like ‘Fair & Balanced’…is NOT the ultra conservative FOX network.
    /
    As far as women supporting women…personally ‘we’ve come a long way, baby’…;0)! Seriously, women have been just as vile as a Rush, Maher…you select a name. It’s been equal opportunity & yet thin-skin seems to show up when it suits women. Forgive this 70+ y/o, but to hear Sandra Fluke say she’s been called a ‘walking mattress’…I haven’t heard that in 55 years, when ‘easy girls’ were NOT what was celebrated. I don’t condemn her for fighting her own passions, but to parade herself now as a ‘victim’ who will never be able to get a job…I do find that most interesting. Anyone smell law suit?

  84. Jennie@IW says

    I wonder if the fact that Ms. Fluke not only wants FREE birth control
    I don’t agree with her premise that Birth Control should be free
    I don’t think calling a young woman who is advocating for free birth control for all women

    .
    I’m confused by this – according to reports, the annual cost of Georgetown’s student health insurance this year was $1,895. This is aside from any co-pay for the prescription that may or may not exist. Why do you folks keep referring to it as “free”?

  85. Jennie@IW says

    NO CONSERVATIVE wants to deny Ms. Fluke or anyone else access to birth control – pregnancy is NOT a disease.
    .
    Endometriosis is a disease.

  86. HB says

    Yes, Jennie…as I said before, I know all about endrometriosis…as in 4 1/2 hrs. worth of surgery & 28 pages of pathology reports. If you can give me a tutorial as to how birth control has anything to do w. this disease, I am all ears.

  87. Jennie@IW says

    “But when it comes to high-profile campaigns to hold these men accountable—such as that waged against Limbaugh—the real fury seems reserved only for conservatives, while the men on the left get a wink and a nod as long as they are carrying water for the liberal cause.

    After all, if Limbaugh’s outburst is part of the “war on women,” then what is the routine misogyny of liberal media men?

    It’s time for some equal-opportunity accountability. Without it, the fight against media misogyny will continue to be perceived as a proxy war for the Democratic Party, not a fight for fair treatment of women in the public square.”
    .
    I feel like people here are trying to reframe the discussion. I abhor Maher’s sexism, Olbermann’s sexism, Schultz’s sexism. Schultz I believe got suspended for the Ingram comment. I’m not sure of the consequences of every instance of sexism by a liberal conmmentator. But I think it’s dishonest to claim that liberal commentators get away with it and conservatives don’t. It’s more complicated than that. I could probably find 50 egregiously sexist things that Limbaugh has said in 20 minutes of internet research. What have the consequences been? That he’s being called on the carpet for this particular instance is good, IMO, but let’s not pretend that he hasn’t gotten away with being offensive for years and years. It’s ridiculous to assert that liberals get away with sexism and conservatives don’t. They both get away with it.

  88. Jennie@IW says

    HB, from WebMD:

    “Endometriosis, a condition in which uterine-lining tissue grows in other pelvic areas, can lead to scarring, severe pain, and sometimes infertility. The Pill stops the growth of tissue in other areas by reducing the hormones that cause the lining to build up.”

    Also used to treat: ovarian cysts, PCOS, debilatatingly painful periods, etc.

  89. Jennie@IW says

    To me, the whole point of the Women’s Movement was to protect the rights of ALL women against sexism,discrimination, and abuse of all kinds. ALL women means working women and homemakers and Republicans and Democrats. It doesn’t mean “only those women that have the same agenda we do” although from your comment Jennie, I think that is what you believe
    .
    I’m not sure where you get that from. Please explain.

  90. Jennie@IW says

    Does anyone argue about diabetic drugs being covered? Some may say it’s an apples to oranges debate but it isn’t. It’s about choice in either instance. Any drug for any ailment has components of a lifestyle choice made to get to the point of needing medication.
    .
    Good point. However, for the ultra-right in this country, it’s about “morality” and morality as they define it ONLY ever concerns two things: the sexual behavior of women and the sexual behavior of gay men. Period.

  91. HB says

    Jennie, while I appreciate Google…it is absolutely misleading in re. to what was/is my disease. The doctors I had…note plural, would flatly disagree. Each to HER own, but for 38 yrs. I’ve been told to avoid EVEN foods that might be hormone laced. Rather than rehash…I’d encourage those whose OB?GYN thinkz they might have this disease…to get MORE than 2 opinions & NOT self-diagnose treatment over the internet! With that…I quietly exit.
    /
    A good friend was slaughtered at school in Jax, FL today. Somehow real life makes banter no longer a useful diversion. With that, I apologize for being short tempered.

  92. Jennie@IW says

    HB, I’m very sorry for your loss.
    .
    I’m sorry also for your experience with endometriosis. The fact remains that birth control is used to treat various medical conditions. No conservative here has explained to me why insurance should not cover that.

  93. CJ says

    HB,your comment about SELECTIVE outrage is spot on. I doubt many of those commenting here have endured true sex discrimation as your generation and a few years later, mine did. Remember when women that dared go to college had a choice of either becoming a school teacher or a nurse? It wasn’t that long ago that Harvard didn’t accept women in their undergraduate programs.

    I graduated from one of the top five business schools in the country with a degree in finance, a position I fought for dearly as there were only two women in the program. Our male professors and fellow male students didn’t cut us a break on any level and we endured never ending jokes about it “being that time of the month” from both sources. Upon graduation, I was offered a job as a head teller, while the men went on to entry level executive positions. ITT had just settled a major law suit for discrimination so I was able to find an executive position with them. They needed a token woman. The battle had just begun. Even with a very good job, credit was difficult to obtain because I was a woman.

    HB and my point being, women back then did have a trail to blaze. It was a very real fight. A fight where women did band together and did go after ALL men that discrimated against them and denigrated them, not just men in particular political party.

    A young liberal woman, Kirsten Powers, understands the fight woman have endured. She has called out ALL of the misogynistic men in the media, not just Rush Limbaugh. This is as it should be. Rush Limbaugh’s name calling was unacceptable, as was Ed Schultz’, Chris Matthews’, Keith Olbermann, etc.

  94. Samantha@IW says

    The fact remains that birth control is used to treat various medical conditions. No conservative here has explained to me why insurance should not cover that.

    With the exception of the Catholic church I do think it should be covered. I doubt Georgetown doesn’t cover it for “moral” reasons- I don’t know why they don’t cover it. Personally I’m more concerned about pricey meds that aren’t covered. Meds that are needed to get/stay well, to live for some. Birth control is so cheap I can’t for the life of me understand the big outcry. I’m not trying to over simplify this but again- If you can’t afford $9 a month, you absolutely qualify for medicaid, in which case it isn’t an issue.

    I strongly disagree with the statement that the “ultra” right only cares about morality when it comes to the sexual behavior of women and gay men. That is quite a generalization…

  95. Marnie says

    I think the figure of $9 a month for birth control is also quite a generalization. The pill normally isnt prescribed without a doctor’s visit, which normally includes a pap. Some docs will ex for anywhere between 3-12 month, at which time another appointment is needed.

    It is a moral arguement. There is not, and will not be any debate from talking heads about Viagra being covered.

    With the exception of the catholic church…….. It should be covered. That is a moral argument. Catholic hospitals receive government funds while taking tax breaks. That’s shady. The whole premise behind religious institutions is to help the needy, not help the needy as long as the needy follow some moral code.

  96. stu says

    By the way when you pay for something yesterday and then it is FREE today..SOMEONE IS PAYING FOR IT. Actually pretty simple.

  97. Samantha@IW says

    I think the figure of $9 a month for birth control is also quite a generalization. The pill normally isnt prescribed without a doctor’s visit, which normally includes a pap. Some docs will ex for anywhere between 3-12 month, at which time another appointment is needed.

    I didn’t realize there was an issue of insurance companies refusing to pay for gynecological visits?

  98. Paige says

    Samantha@IW says:
    March 6, 2012 at 6:11 pm
    With the exception of the Catholic church I do think it should be covered. I doubt Georgetown doesn’t cover it for “moral” reasons- I don’t know why they don’t cover it.

    Georgetown is a Catholic Univerity.

    stu says:
    By the way when you pay for something yesterday and then it is FREE today..SOMEONE IS PAYING FOR IT. Actually pretty simple.

    Of course, in this case, it would be employers/insurance carriers as well as the individual using the birth control through premiums, deductibles, and/or co-pays. But honestly, if birth control prevents pregnancy and resolves other medical conditions such as endometriosis, the net result would save money. It is much more expensive to provide prenatal care through 9 months of pregnancy and delivery of the baby. It is much more expensive to provide surgery and/or fertility treatments for women with out of control endometriosis.

    As a healthcare provider, I KNOW that preventative medicine is far cheaper than dealing with the consequences of not providing preventive care. So cost is really irrelevant in the debate.

    It seems to me the issue surrounding mandated coverage of birth control by employers is really one of whether we can mandate employers do something they think is morally wrong even it would SAVE money.

    The issue surrounding the Rush Limbaugh controversy is about free speech and the willingness to except the consequences for our free speech. People forget that free speech doesn’t mean you have the right to say anything free of consequences. It means that you won’t be arrested for saying anything you want but what you say has an impact on how others react to you.

    Rush had a right to mock Fluke for her testimony but he does not have a right to expect that others won’t react negatively too it and put pressure on advertisers to disassociate with him.

  99. HB says

    stu, Ms. Ruse is an acquaintance of Chris Plante…our local radio a.m. ‘talker’ here in DC area. Thanks for the link, as he never mentioned this commentary. Only his generic conversation w. her & a few other local women familiar w. ties to the law school.
    /
    Holly, my own 1st job experience after grad school…I was fired within 3 mos. for questioning why a HS grad w. only typing skills, was getting double my salary. I was 2nd in the pecking order to the ‘boss’. I was fired w. no explanation. I got a call at home from a woman in finance (that I’d go to lunch with), to tell me that I could rest assured that any future employer would get a high recommendation in re. to my abilitities. The reason I was fired – the secretary in question was our long married CEO’s mistress. How times have changed is a gross understatement! (There is more to this story…but what goes around comes around…eventually!)
    /
    Thank you for the well wishes in re. to a friend. She was the headmistress of an Episcopal school in Jacksonville. A testimate to just how fragile life is…! My husband was on his way to that school yesterday to say ‘hello’ to her. (His 98 y/o mother is who he/we visit regularly that lives nearby.) Had my husband been on time…who knows, but she was dead & the school on lockdown. Just how sad is it that a young teacher, who had been fired yesterday (for reasons still unknown) knew no other way to express his rage, but to return to school w. a gun hidden in his music case. It was a murder/suicide.

  100. Samantha@IW says

    People forget that free speech doesn’t mean you have the right to say anything free of consequences. It means that you won’t be arrested for saying anything you want but what you say has an impact on how others react to you.

    Very true- I wonder if any other advertisers have bailed?

    As far as Georgetown being a Catholic school- open mouth, insert foot.

    HB- I’m so sorry about your friend. What a tragic day.

  101. HB says

    Samantha, how timely your question is. I just sent Sherri’s Berries as a thank you, & ProPlants’ flowers in memorial…! (Nicest customer service EVER!) Their operators are all from CA! I’ve been a long time customer & apparently my original ‘code’ is RUSH – for discount. Had forgotten that. Anywaaay…I did ask if ‘RUSH’ was still an accepted code? Answer was a resounding YES…w. a giggle. Those operators are ‘monitored’ so I kept opinions to myself, but she offered – ‘we have LOST MANY CUSTOMERS in the past couple of days’, but what I’ve been told to say…’we no longer advertize in his time slot, BUT support the STATIONS that air his program’. As I understood her comment…their co. still pays the same advet amount, but have taken a palpable hit b/c of the ‘political onslaught’. She also implied that they intend to start advertising during the noon – 3 p.m. time slot shortly. My parting words…I hope you won’t get a reprimand b/c of our conversation. She laughed & said ‘no, I think many would be surprised just how often boycotts are part of their niche in marketing’.

  102. stu says

    And then this happens at my Son’s HS

    Teen Arrested in Alleged Shooting Plot at Notre Dame High School
    http://www.ktla.com
    SHERMAN OAKS, Calif. (KTLA) — Police arrested a 16-year-old Notre Dame High School student who allegedly planned to bring a gun to school and kill at least three people.

  103. HB says

    stu, just how frightening does life have to be in our schools – public or private!!!! Thank the good Lord, your son’s school had a non-event ending! Now the test is just HOW this school handles explaining this troubled boy & the consequences of poor choices when there are always better solutions to grief or anger. Something tells me…this school will KNOW what’s necessary.
    /
    Chin up! Maybe this will be one of those ‘teachable moments’ that will benefit all those students.

  104. HB says

    stu, & those who might be interested, Sean Hannity is going to air (tonight on FOX) a rare tape obtained by Breitbart before his death. Apparently showing what was never released by the MSM in re. to our President.
    /
    I’m NOT sure I have the stomach for all of these attempts at personal destruction. Then again, I’ve never felt we KNOW much of anything about this man at 1600. Like Newt or NOT…I’d enjoy even ONE Lincoln-Douglas debate. I don’t care if it’s Newt vs. Obama. It would be interesting to hear a free-wheeling CONVERSATION that is on topic, w/o filibustering & only monitored by a clock.

  105. CJ says

    Marnie, religious hospitals take federal funds in the form of Medicare and Medicaid. Many private hospitals will not accept Medicare or Medicaid in that they don’t pay enough for the various services provided. Consequently, the religous facilites provide a tremendous service for the elderly and the poor. HARDLY SHADY as you’ve suggested. As far as getting a tax break, so do many community hospitals as they are established as nonprofits. Religious hospitals have ever right to establish a moral code for themselves. Do you really expect a Catholic, Jewish or any other religious hospital to perform abortions? You need to find an atheist hospital for those procedures. Oh, right, there are no atheist established and funded hospitals.

  106. CoCoPuff says

    Rush Limbaugh caused this confusion.
    Sandra Fluke lobbied her school for years ~ All this came about after she testified at a Congressional hearing about a law that would have required the school to provide contraception~ it had nothing to do with anyone’s taxes.
    She was never asking for anyone to pay for her contraceptives~ She only wanted the schools insurance company to add / include them in their policy, that she herself pays for.

  107. CoCoPuff says

    BTW ~Who the hell is Bill Maher to tell ANYONE how they should feel?
    He is another one with his own agenda.

  108. Holly says

    Like I stated before:”there are idiots in every Party”.Clueless and ridiculous, this speech is embarrassing to all Americans!
    Vice President Joe Biden addressed 87 wealthy Democrats last night attending a fundraiser at the home of Sen. John Kerry in Georgetown. As they dined on grass-fed New York strip steaks and white truffle mashed potatos underneath a outdoor tent, Biden criticized Republicans for being out of touch.

    “These guys don’t have a sense of the average folks out there,” Biden said according to the pool report, “They don’t know what it means to be middle class.”

    87 guests paid a minimum of $10,000-per-couple to attend the dinner.

  109. snickers says

    Holly,

    I wasn’t invited, but 10 grand is chump change from the ones who steal from the taxpayers, just saying!

  110. Holly says

    Snickers,
    HA! That was funny I wasn’t invited either! I truly believe that once someone becomes an elected member of the Congress, State, or Local Gov’t they are no longer in the same category as the people they serve. Once they have their own Healthcare,Pension,ever increasing salaries, and “perks” they now fall into the “Them” of US vs Them! I can truly say that at this point there is not one Politician I feel can help us and as we tell our Clients: you have to save yourself”!

  111. says

    I didn’t know where to post this, but any thoughts on Obama’s 13 year old daughter having spring break in Mexico with friends and 25 secret service agents with her? No way would I want my child going there with all the drug cartels around, they have more guns. Does anyone know what this is costing the taxpayers?

  112. stu says

    The part that is curious to me is why wouldn’t you send your kid on spring break any where in the US? Spend all that money in our economy?? I think once again it just shows how out of touch the President is with the country. Travel warning to Mexico for the rest of us but when you have the best security in the world …well why not go.

  113. Holly says

    Snickers,
    I find it surprising that President Obama’s daughter would travel to Mexico when the State Dept issued warnings against all Americans traveling there. I would think with the horrible state of the economy it would seem more appropriate to vacation in CA or Fl or anywhere in the US and support the hotel, restaurant, and retail industries in a local US town! Then again “do what I say, not what I do”!

  114. says

    The Obama vacations are too much. I don’t mind the fact that it’s Mexico, I mind the number per year and the expense to taxpayers. Obama needs some lessons from the Clinton’s.

  115. says

    Marnie, “Catholic hospitals accept government funds while taking tax breaks, that’s shady.”?????
    ..
    Do you mean Catholic hospitals accept poor patients with ONLY government funds to pay for the care that costs much more? You don’t actually think that the inner-city hospitals with the lowest-income patients and the highest number of uninsured are raking in the dough by serving them?
    .
    There are two anchors in the dirt-poor section in the city nearest me: the Catholic Hospital, the last to stay in the area, and the Catholic High School. When parents asked the Bishop to move the high school out of the inner city to the much prettier, much safer rural grounds of a former seminary, the Bishop refused. If we abandoned the area, who will serve the poor? Where would they go for care? How would they manage to transport their own children to the

  116. says

    …sorry…hit reply…

    …to the school. It’s not shady. Hospitals and schools are the Catholic Church’s mission. Always have been. No government has a right to tell the Church what is “Catholic”enough to be considered part of her body. Separation of Church and State.

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