Sextuplet Dad Bryan Masche Arrested

By Anya

A local Arizona newspaper has reported that Bryan Masche, father of three-year-old sextuplets and star of the WETV’s “Raising Sextuplets” was arrested last Saturday, September 11th. 

According to the Verde Independent: “Bryan Masche, 32, was arrested following an investigation in which he is alleged to have threatened his family and began yelling and using profanities within a residence on Gilbert Way.

The charges mounted when he did not comply with Camp Verde Marshal’s deputies’ commands.

Masche was charged with resisting arrest, disorderly conduct and threatening per domestic violence.

He was booked into the Yavapai County Detention Center. He has subsequently been released on bond.”

IW wrote about the Masche’s last July. You can read the piece here.  At the time, “Raising Sextuplets” was airing its second season. Some viewers were beginning to compare the Masche’s to Jon and Kate Gosselin. It is fair to say that the Masche’s were pretty candid about the emotional and financial toll that raising sextuplets brings. Bryan was shown at times being condesending to Jenny and losing his temper with her and the children. At the end of season 2, the Masche’s had moved from Arizona (where both sets of grandparents reside) to Florida to make a fresh start. They expressed a desire to not rely on the grandparents as much and do more on their own. Jenny is a physician’s assistant and quickly found work at a local hospital. Bryan was shown trying to build a financial planning business.

In August, Bryan announced via his Twitter account that that the family and WETV had agreed to film a third season of “Raising Sextuplets” and filming would begin immediately.

Bryan has also shared recently via Twitter his struggles with controlling his anger and depression and his steps to take control of these issues. He has indicated that he has stopped taking Prozac and is relying on this faith and counseling to help him with his issues. It should be noted that Bryan is a veteran who served three tours in the Gulf. Of course, those who have not served cannot begin to truly comprehend what is like to return to civilian life after service.  

It appears that Bryan returned to Arizona from Florida very recently to attend to business and family affairs.

Some will happily point fingers at reality TV or pass judgment on Bryan without access to all the facts of this particular situation. What is the harm in withholding  judgment and just wishing the best for the family? I am sure they would appreciate your kind wishes.

Please share your thoughts about the Masche’s with us.

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Comments

  1. jennie says

    I just feel sorry for the whole family. I’m not a huge fan of Bryan’s, but I hope he can get it together and the family can move past this. I agree that it’s always the kindest and most compassionate choice to wish the best for others rather than judging them. In this case, if for no other reason than the sake of the children, who are precious.

  2. jennifer says

    Abuse is abuse, no matter what. I don’t care if he served 10 tours, there is NEVER an excuse for abuse of a spouse. That is something you can control, no matter how bad you have had it. When you feel you first have a problem and there are warning signs it is the person’s responsibility to seek help with their anger, if they do not, they are guilty, and shouldn’t be pitied. People have bad things happen in life, that’s no reason for this. I think she needs to get out of that relationship until he receives the help he needs and proves he is no longer a threat. There are children involved.

  3. Ann@IW says

    This is so sad.  It is also happening all over our country with other people who do not have sextuplets or reality TV shows.

    An interesting discussion could ensue whether the TV show, higher order multiples, job loss, move, or halt to medication is fueling Bryan’s problem.  None of us can know.  Probably it’s a combination of pressures + an explosive personality.  I am just glad Jennie Masche sought help from the police and that the police were there to serve and protect.  I wish them all well.

    Whenever Jon and Kate are asked about whether the show is responsible for the break-up of their marriage, they deny it.  They say problems existed before the show, the show added pressure, but relieved other pressure.  It is something they agree on. 

  4. stxmom says

    This makes me sad. I’ve watched their show from the beginning and both parents really seemed to be trying hard to make everything work. Sometimes I didn’t like the way Bryan talked to Jenny or the kids but TV has a way of only showing the bad stuff.

    At the end of the last season it really seemed like Bryan was getting it together, he was on his own all day with the kids while Jenny worked and he was trying hard to get his business off the ground.

    Bryan has a bad temper and if you’ve seen any of the episodes with his father you know exactly where he learned to behave the way he does.

  5. Lily@IW says

    stxmom, I have been trying to catch up on all the episodes, but seem to miss a lot of Bryan’s dad.  I’ve read where people refer to his temper.  I like Jennie on the show, but it seems like sometimes she is making excuses for Bryan’s anger.  One thing that is sometimes hard for women to grasp is just because you understand it, doesn’t mean you have to accept it.
     
    I had no idea Bryan served any time in the Gulf.  I also missed that he suffered from Depression.  I had seen some of the shows where they  are in counseling and they talk about Bryan’s anger.  I did not like his words and behavior at all on the episode when they were looking at houses in FL.
     
    I wish them both the best and hope somehow this all works out.   There’s not enough info for me to make judgment on Bryan.   But, the resisting arrest stands out as being worrisome.    That he has been in counseling and recognizes his anger is a good thing.  If this was going to happen, I it’s a good thing it was in AZ where Jennie has support of her family.

  6. Kat says

    Is this the family that was on the Today show recently?  She seemed so passive,  he seemed like the on in charge and the children looked like a handful.  Of course, I’ve never watched the show so I will reserve my judgment.

  7. KatherineDenise says

    I am so sad to hear this, I too have watched this family from the beginning. I hope as aweful as this is, Byran realizes what he has to loose. I did see his anger on the show but as someone mentioned already, I see how his Dad acted and treated him when they were moving and it was aweful. I hope he continues counseling and gets the help he needs for the sake of these precious children.

  8. Anya@IW says

    Yes, Kat, I believe they were on The Today show recently. I watched many of the shows and I don’t think of Jenny as really passive, but compared to Bryan she may appear that way.

    KatherineDenise: I agree. Nicely said.

    I don’t want to give the impression of not taking domestic violence very seriously. I do. Or excusing it. I don’t. 

  9. kimmie says

    i have to agree with ann and anya. i always thought of brian as a controlling person…and i do think he got it from his father. jennie seemed to me not so much passive-aggressive as just trying to keep the peace at times.
     
    i am not excusing abuse or anything but i do think that certain things create situations where a person cannot control their urges…imo brian has a lot of *triggers* to those certain things; the gulf war duty, depression (chemical imbalance is a boatload to carry and deal with), the move, not having a job…
     
    i am so glad no one was hurt and i pray they can make this work.

  10. Sage says

    I have watched this show a couple of times and do not care for either parent. The last time I watched it was when Bryan, to punish one of the little girls locked her in the bathroom. The little girl was so distressed she wet herself.

    First of all to punish a small child by locking them in a room..much less a bathroom is a parent out of control. Jenny got the child out of the bathroom, but in my opinion did not seem overly concerned.  Will not watch that show again.

  11. snickers says

    I have watched the show, and felt the move to Florida while Bryan did not have a job, a stable income was a mistake. He wanted to start a company, but in this economy maybe it was the wrong time. She had to go to work to make money to pay the bills.  She is working 12 hour shifts and I’m sure he was rather bored being a stay at home Dad. All these families with so many kids would be on welfare if not being on TV to offset expenses.  I hope for the best for them all, but always looks like the man on all these programs feel they are a bused by their wifes and having to help take of children. I wonder why that is??

  12. Lindsay says

    I have watched this family recently on WETV.  I caught a marathon before the 2nd season began.  Bryan has anger issues and as someone who takes Prozac if he quit taking the medication cold turkey, I can almost say with certainty that was a contributing factor.  If I miss a day or two of my medicine, I can notice an extremely short fuse at times.  I can only imagine with the stress of finances and the move and the kids, he could have easily lost his temper.  BUT he has to take responsibility because HE knows what his medication called for.  HE is responsible for taking the medication or stopping it under doctors control… slowly.  He has shown that he is not a man that wants to stay home with the kids and has freely admitted it on TV.  I hope they continue with counseling.  The one positive is it doesn’t sound like the children were present and hopefully things did not escalate beyond words.

  13. NC says

    NO offense, but if you watch the show you know that Brian is a horrible human being. He yells at his wife fir everything and compares her to Kate Gosselin whenever she has an opinion about something. Say what you want about Kate, but she would never let a men verbally abuse her ESPECIALLY in front of the kids the way Jenny lets Brian. He actually makes her apologize to him because she wasn’t thrilled with his gifts of bicycles when they were trying to save money. I have no idea why Jenny would ever move from Arizona and away from her family, but I hope this opens her eyes and she gets away from him before he really hurts her or the children.

  14. Paige says

    I have never watched the show but I think these problems have nothing to do with the family being filmed for television.  People who find themselves given the opportunity to appear on television ( for having higher order multiples, or being little people, or having an interesting business) are the  representative of larger population.  Some will have issues and problems  completing unrelated to appearing on television.  

    Another example of this is from Cake Boss.  One of Buddy’s brother-in-laws was recently arrested on a sex charge.  That had nothing to do with appearing on the show and should not be used as a case against reality TV.

  15. MsGoody2Shoes says

    I  have always thought Bryan had some anger and aggression issues towards Jenny. I don’t know if he blames Jenny for the way his life has turned out. Depression is anger at yourself OR somebody else. Bryan’s anger might turn into physical abuse. If so, it will be time for Jenny to move on because once a man hits you, IMO he will hit you again.

  16. PeggyP says

    I hope she and the kids stay in Arizona. Whatever happens, she needs her family for emotional and, possibly, financial support.  She could get the latter from across the country but the former would be very hard to provide her if she was in Florida.  She’s going to be facing some very tough decisions and she doesn’t need to be in a strange place for them.

  17. dessertgirl says

    I think blaiming Brian’s anger on the Gulf War is misplaced.   He has mentioned on the show that he had troubles growing up with his parents.   His dad looks like a mellow enough guy and Brian just never seems to be happy.   This show should be permanently removed from WE’s roster.

  18. Notamomma says

    It would appear that RadarOnline actually reads this site to get some of their gossip. They now magically have an article about his arrest. Hmm…

    BTW.. I’m a long time reader but very seldom poster. I think I’ve maybe posted once before.

    I’ve never watched the show so I really cannot comment on the situation. I will say though, that I know several people that served in the Gulf war as well, and they all have very severe issues from their time over there. I’m not making any excuses for this dad, but I can only imagine how hard it would be to walk a mile in his shoes. However, domestic violence is never acceptable.

  19. Anya@IW says

    Paige says…I have never watched the show but I think these problems have nothing to do with the family being filmed for television.  People who find themselves given the opportunity to appear on television ( for having higher order multiples, or being little people, or having an interesting business) are the  representative of larger population. 

    I totally agree, Paige.

    Lindsay, thanks for sharing your personal experience.

    Nice to see some new posters or infrequent posters weighing in. :-) Welcome.

  20. trouble says

    Bryan is a big baby on tv he act like a baby when he can’t do simple thing around the home. He get mad at is father for trying to show him how to make a swing, I think he needs lot’s of  help with self help issue. Jenny on the other hand is all together and has no issue and I love watching her and the kids. Bryan needs to go just like John did . 

    Trouble   

  21. Jennie@IW says

    Welcome to new and returning posters!

    His dad looks like a mellow enough guy and Brian just never seems to be happy. 

    My take is a little different – his dad has an affable facade but seems to ride Brian pretty hard – I saw him belittle and undercut Bryan a lot. It gave me some insight into how the family might have been when Bryan was growing up.

    As I’ve said, I’m not Bryan’s biggest fan, but I think he’s come by his issues legitimately. That doesn’t mean it’s not his responsibility to work on them, of course.

  22. PeggyP says

    Jennie@IW-  I have particular problems with his decision to go off his meds without supervision and rely on prayer.  I have nothing against prayer and, in conjunction with proper medical treatment, prayer can give great hope and support to someone who is struggling with the kind of issues he is.  However, to me, and I recognize I am talking for myself, prayer and medicine are not enemies; it is not an either/or proposition. I’ve never seen anything quoted from the Bible that gives any support for the idea that seeking medical help indicates a lack of faith.  To me, it is not only just as plausible to argue that it is God’s will that researchers find medical advances and doctors treat patients with them as it is argue that one should rely on prayer alone, it is even more so.  I’ve seen too many good people suffer and even die while too many bad ones remain fit and active to able believe that illness is some sort of judgment from God.

    Prozac might not be the right medication for him and/or the side effects may be too much for him, but, IMHO, the answer then is to work with his doctors to find a better medication.  I don’t know what their insurance situation is; money may well be a problem. However, uncontrolled depression, etc. can leave him unable to function so not treating it is not helping him or his family. As a husband and as a father, his responsibility is to do whatever he needs to do get in as good a shape as he reasonably can.

  23. Kappen says

    “Say what you want about Kate, but she would never let a men verbally abuse her ESPECIALLY in front of the kids the way Jenny lets Brian.”
     
    This statement is rather interesting being as Kate had no problem verbally abusing Jon in front of the children, and on national TV for that matter.  Let’s stop making excuses for “strong woman.”  Abuse is abuse no matter who it originates from.

  24. P.J. says

    Thanks, Kappen,  you took the words right out of my mouth.

    Somehow, because Kate is a women it’s okay, Jon must be a wimp.  How is it no one decried Kate’s abuse of Jon and the male children, and still defend her, but they are ready to jump when the tables are turned and the abuser is male?

    Please save all children from being exploited and boycott all the tv shows/networks that sign parents to a contract and the kids are used as commoditites.

    Stop the exploitation of children by turning the channel.

  25. Jennie@IW says

    Somehow, because Kate is a women it’s okay, Jon must be a wimp.  How is it no one decried Kate’s abuse of Jon and the male children, and still defend her, but they are ready to jump when the tables are turned and the abuser is male?

    Jon and Kate were each at times verbally inappropriate with each other. I would not say it really rose to the level of verbal abuse with either of them.  I do agree that Kate was better about letting Jon know when he’d crossed the line with her. Each of them is responsible for their own behavior, but I did always like that Kate was clear about her boundaries. I was never under the impression that Jon did not “talk back” because he was abused or cowed; I think he liked or on some level was comfortable with the dynamic of him being the naughty child/henpecked husband.

    I have never called Jon a wimp, I don’t think – one of the things I disliked about the old criticism of Jon was how gender-based it was – he wasn’t a real man because Kate dominated him, she had his balls, etc. Really a very sexist POV, against both men and women.

    To say that Kate has abused her boys crosses the line. I’ve never seen any evidence that Kate is abusive to any of her children, and it’s a serious accusation to make. Further, the usual example given as evidence of Kate’s mistreatment of her sons specifically is cupcakegate, the stupidest reality-tv controversy of all time.

    Please save all children from being exploited and boycott all the tv shows/networks that sign parents to a contract and the kids are used as commoditites.
    Stop the exploitation of children by turning the channel.

    Well, I do agree that turning the channel is the best response to shows that one does not like or approve of.

  26. Garnet says

    I’m not fond of bullies.

    Brian is a classic example of a bully.  He treated his wife horribly on their show and whenever she tried to voice an opinion he said she was acting just like Kate Gosselin.  What?  This woman is a doormat.  He should look in the mirror when he wants to call someone Kate.

    I never saw the show and didn’t even know of this family until his arrest.  But it only takes a few you tube episodes to get a feeling of who these people are.  I hope Jenny will step up to the plate and protect herself and their children from further abuse.

  27. Anya@IW says

    Jennie, turning the channel? What a novel concept!!!

    I can’t believe that suggestion hasn’t been made before?

    What you say it has? :-) 

  28. PeggyP says

    It has become such a pervasive myth that Kate refuses to admit her flaws. That is quite simply not true.  I think she’s always been a very harsh judge of herself, and that has been even more the case since the separation and divorce. Part of it is that she sets very high standards for herself.  Over the duration of the series, they had more than one episode where they were asked questions including Jon and Kate’s identifying the clips that show each person’s least favorite/most embarassing moments involving himself/herself.  In Kate’s case, it was the infamous shouting at Jon in the big box store.  She explained what was happening at the time, but that, once she saw the clip, she realized how loud she was and how it came across and felt that she was wrong. In Jon’s case, however, it’s when he told her, in front of all the children, to take the stick out of her ass. As for her allegedly not liking having sons, I haven’t seen it.  I think it took a little bit, after sisters but only one brother and then having two very girly girls, for her to get used to having boys as well, but she did with very little trouble. I think she’s great with the boys, including the shows where she’s gone places just with the boys. They are clearly affectionate and comfortable with her.

    I agree that verbal abuse is real but that characterizing all bickering between couples or even, much as I hate the term, “nagging” as abuse cheapens it. Even Jon, in his less snarky moments, said that the way the show was edited  made Kate seem much more critical than she actually was.  I remember from the very beginning, I didn’t think Jon was a wimp or henpecked, both of which are very sexist stereotypes that I loathe. I did think, from the beginning, that Jon was incredibly passive-aggressive which is a gender-neutral concept.  He’d know things needed to be done and watch Kate struggle doing them, but he’d just hang back & not do anything until Kate got frustrated.  His specialties were the eye roll and the sotto voce snarky comment.  Kate on more than one occasion said that more than anything else she wanted Jon to just say to her, without prompting, that she seemed stressed and ask what he could do to help.   When he included that in his vows in the vow renewal ceremony, she was clearly touched and overwhelmed that he did so.

    As for the tapping, it clearly wasn’t designed to hurt him and they dealt with it on the show on multiple occasions.

  29. Garnet says

    Kate will reluctantly apologize, but she immediately resorts to the same behavior.

    It’s not a sincere apology.

    I understand that this is a Kate-friendly site.  I appreciate that you are willing to post other views.

    I don’t hate Kate, but I do hate her actions and behavior.

    Jon is no prize, but I believe he is (now) a better person.  I don’t see Kate as having improved, I see her as being more and more obsessed with dreams of fame and fortune.

  30. Ann@IW says

    Hmmm, but she no longer bosses Jon around or speaks disrespectfully to him that we can see…he’s not even on the show.  I think her admission of speaking disrespectfully was a good one and the apology and regret expressed sincere.

  31. Garnet says

    I respectfully disagree.

    She threw Jon under the bus AGAIN on Regis and Kelly quite recently.  She is not only pretending to support her kids (they are supporting her) but she is also trying to make us believe that she does everything by herself, when in fact she has more people helping her than she will ever admit. 

    Jon is not someone I admire, either.  He spent years trying to play the same game.  Since she is not accepting that their is anything wrong with what they have done to their children, I do admire Jon for trying to put a stop to this filming.

    I hope that both of these parents will make spending TIME with their children more of a priority than selling every private moment.

  32. Garnet says

    Just Wondering,

    I don’t think Jon is a great parent, either.

    He might be able to provide his children with a more normal life, that’s the best we can hope for at this point.

    I’d like to see the whole family in therapy.  That, or send them to live on a farm for five years without television or internet or anyone who thinks they are special just because they had more kids than they could take of on their own.

    I’d love to see both sides of the family be actively involved with the children.  They need to know that they are more than just eight little faces.

  33. Judy says

    I beg to disagree. Kate’s children are not supporting her. They are part of who she is for sure, but they are not the ones going out and working every day to support the family. That line about the kids supporting Kate is getting very old…very old.

  34. Garnet says

    Judy, sometimes lines get old because people have to hear the truth over and over again before they can accept it.

    None of us would know about the Gosselin family had they not had their show.  And their show would not have happened without their children.

    It’s absurd to think that Jon or Kate would have been celebrities without their children.

  35. PeggyP says

    Garnet=The kids are how Jon & Kate came into the public eye, but how, why, and the extent to which Jon or Kate remain in the public eye is not controlled by the kids.  Even with the kids now only doing specials and months off the air before that, interest in Kate is hardly diminishing and she’s getting more and more jobs in the entertainment industry that do not involve the children being filmed.

    I’m not sure how you believe that Jon is in a better position to give the kids a normal life than Kate. He still identifies himself as a reality star. He’s said in interviews that he’s too famous to look for a regular job.  He’s done everything in his power to try to stay in the public eye.  However, even before TLC got the injunction, the public seems increasingly uninterested in him unless it also involves Kate and/or the kids.  He’s the one who curried friendships with the paparazzi, hired one as a bodyguard, and turned the twins ninth birthday into a media nightmare.  

    Just because family members do not choose to be filmed doesn’t  automatically mean that they aren’t involved. As for how involved family is, that is something that needs to be left up to the parents.  None of us know the relationships and what issues pre-existed the family becoming well-known.

  36. snickers says

    Garnet——–you seem to have the answer for Kate and her children. I believe Kate is an adult and will make choices for her and Jon’s children. As for knowing if Kate and Jon would have not changed their lives in another direction is absurb for you to say this. I have friends who have changed jobs many times and one is now working for Disney in their graphic design department and he changed jobs just last year.  He up and moved without a promise of a job to follow a dream he had. He has a family that he uprooted, a scary time in this economy.

    Your truth Garnet or your preaching, that’s the fine line that Kate is not doing what YOU think is right.  Take your anger, go volunteer , and please leave your anger at your door.  I’m sorry but your issues with Kate reflect on your telling the family want you feel they should do. Stomping ones feet to get attention is not what anyone does, although no one is perfect either. Just because Kate and Jon were on Tv, does not give anyone the right to say they need to this, they need to do that. They will handle their issues, public or not.  Did you call Donald Trump and raise heck with him when his divorces were all over the paper and his kids were in the spotlight daily for years?? Just saying———-.

  37. Jennie@IW says

    It’s not a sincere apology.

    I feel like this crosses over into assuming that you know what’s in another person’s heart. A person you don’t even know, at that.

    He might be able to provide his children with a more normal life, that’s the best we can hope for at this point.

    That’s a pretty grim way of looking at things. I hate the POV that the Gosselin children are “ruined” and that their lives are a wreckage from which small bits and pieces of hope can be salvaged. I just don’t think that’s true.

    I agree with everything in PeggyP’s comment #29.

  38. Paige says

    The kids are supporting Kate?   It is a tired line but it also one that makes no sense.  I think it is a perspective that is distorted by hate either of Kate or “her actions”.

    If you say that someone’s children support them because the children are the reason that person has the job they have, then I know several people “supported” by their children.  First, my cousin operates a day care – a business she only went into because she had children. No children and she would be doing something else to earn a living today.  My son had a teacher who decided to get a teaching certificate in special ed because she had a disabled child.  She never would have chosen that field if she didn’t have her child on the circumstances she did.  I could go on and on but have made my point.

    I also don’t understand the argument that the children would be better off being ripped from their home, their school, and their friends just so they can be off  TV.  Kate knows that kids are getting a good education in a protective, nurturing environments.  She seems to realize that the show with the kids will not last forever and she needs to build a career of her own that will maintain their lifestyle post-TLC contracts ( or at least make enough money know to cover expenses well into the future).

    Jon talks about wanting the kids off TV (although I am not sure about how much of  that is a ploy) but doesn’t seem to have a good plan for how he is going to help support them.   The latest I have heard through the life coach is that he wants to be a motivational speaker on fatherhood.   I really don’t see that as being very lucrative or successful.  He is planning on writing a book but even if he makes it very sensational to collect maximize income potential, it is a short lived source of income.

    Bo

  39. BMBMGoBlue says

    I have never seen the show but this is disturbing.  He needs to be back on his medication and be treated seriously for his depression.  Best wishes?  Yes best wishes for the wife and children but not him.  Abuse is abuse.  He threatened his wife and children.  Please don’t compare this to Jon and Kate.  I would like all these multiple family reality shows to be off the air, because IMO it is not good for these families. 

  40. Theresa says

    I’ve only watched the Masches a few times in the beginning, but after reading the article, I do agree whole heartedley with jennifer’s post #2.  There is no excuse for abuse.  He needs to be either on medication or working with his doctors to control his anger.  He should also realize that his behavior, no excuses for it, is seen and felt  by his children.  That behavior should include respecting and loving his wife, not being condescending and abusive.  And, if he were truly relyng on prayer, he would’ve realized and follow God’s order of treating his wife as a treasure and walking the path together.  That will only unite them in making their family stronger and him stronger and able to understand and deal with his family like a man.  Every woman deserves this. Every child deserves this from their dad.

    I agree that PeggyP’s #29 and #36 posts sum it up for me.

    And, Jennie, nailed it with this…

    To say that Kate has abused her boys crosses the line. I’ve never seen any evidence that Kate is abusive to any of her children, and it’s a serious accusation to make. Further, the usual example given as evidence of Kate’s mistreatment of her sons specifically is cupcakegate, the stupidest reality-tv controversy of all time.-jennie

    Let’s also not forget Jon’s interview with Chris Cuomo, when he said he hated his wife in extreme anger. I really believe that behavior of his was totally uncalled for and not an example of someone who has it together and to me, is not a fit parent.  I hope since that interview, he has gotten his act together, apologized to Kate for that, and has grown into a mature person. 

  41. JennieIW says

    Let’s be clear about the Masches: unless I’ve missed something, we do not know the details of Bryan Masche’s arrest. There appears to be some charge about threatening domestic violence, but I really don’t know what it entails. I (again, not a Bryan fan) have seen no evidence that he is physically abusive. I would not even characterize him as verbally abusive. He is immature, snipy and unpleasant a lot of the time, but it does not rise to the level of abuse IMO.
     
    If I’m understanding this correctly, there was some altercation at a relative’s house? We do not even know if Jenny was the subject of the threat. Of course it’s serious, and it doesn’t really matter who he threatened (if he did indeed threaten someone). But people seem to be making wholesale judgments to the effect that Jenny and the kids need to get away from Bryan because he’s abusive, and I think that’s overstating things quite a bit from what I’ve seen of the show.
     
    Even the unpleasant incident with him putting one of his daughters in the bathroom as punishment – it was not a “proper timeout” as Jo Frost would characterize it but my recollection was that that was kind of what he was trying to do. He messed up – as parents do – but it wasn’t some horrible moment of abuse that will never be forgotten (like Joel on the laundry room floor).
     
    Sheesh, I can’t believe I’m defending Bryan so much!

  42. PeggyP says

    Garnet-It’s finally happened. We agree on something.  I could understand angry, stony-faced, or distraught, but grinning is just wrong on so many levels.

    The whole story is so bizarre. He wanted to drive two hours to Lake Havasu with six toddlers, a plan which was, apparently news to Jenny?!?!  The police had to threaten to taser him because he was resisting arrest before he finally submitted?!?!?!  There were guns in a car?!?!? Now People says the kids were there.  I know People is not the NY Times or the Wall Street Journal (news, not editorial), but I’ve found it to be pretty careful in what it prints. I don’t recall seeing it caught in any significant errors, especially ones that showed sloppy reporting.

    The quote that troubled me was this one from Bryan at the end of the People story, “”When you understand that there’s no way out of marriage,” Bryan told PEOPLE in the 2009 interview, “that forces you to work on your marriage. If we’re going to be stuck with each other for the next 80 years, we better make it good.”” That’s a horrible view of marriage. It makes it sound like a prison sentence.
    Jon and Kate aren’t saints and I have particular problems with Jon’s behavior but, at its worst, their being apart probably is far better for their children that either or both of them feeling trapped in a dead marriage living apart emotionally even thought they would be physically under the same roof. Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think divorce is a step that should be taken lightly or casually, particularly when children are involved, and I believe that every effort should be made to see if the marriage can be saved. However, there comes a point with some couples when it’s time to declare the marriage dead before someone is seriously hurt or worse.

  43. Garnet says

    PeggyP, you’re funny!

    Yes, that foolish grin (for his mugshot?) was bizarre, and sort of scary to me.

    If the People article is accurate, I’m very worried about his wife and children.  He seems unstable enough to do something terrible.

    I hope and pray his family is safe.  He’s like a time-bomb.

  44. snickers says

    I do hope for this family that they can get and receive help that they need.  The stress of a big family has to be a huge strain on a marriage, but the women seem to handle things much better even in the worst of times. I saw my Father, who has since passed work hard all day and when he came home at night he helped in the house what ever needed done. I came from a large family, never heard him complain. I was raised that everyone helped, our parents let us fight it out when we were old enough to understand the fight, and sent us out in the world to be responible adults and parents ourself. Seems like the younger generation of parents (not all of them) walk away because they don’t want to put the effort into anything . Bryan is the type that thinks the world owes him something, if things were bad for him growing up, well, change it for your own family. The $ issue is behind the frustration of both parents.  I really think they need the money from their program to continue to support the children, no matter how you look at it. If not, Jenni will have to sign up for welfare to help support these children.

  45. Garnet says

    The trouble with all these multiple families is that they are not prepared (financially, emotionally, maritally, etc.) to deal with this invasion of babies.

    Those who are opposed to reduction are usually religious and site moral reasons for keeping all the babies that “God” gave them.  They tend to forget the science involved and become emotional.  I doubt ANY of these familes could afford to pay for the birth alone, much less the costs of raising these abnormal families.  They are a burden on society from the moment they say, “I don’t believe in reduction.”  Perhaps those who are opposed to reduction should not be given the drugs that make this possible?  And, we MUST make them financially responsible before children are born.

    It’s not a good situation, for anyone.

  46. Barbara says

    For the children’s sake as well as Jenny my advice would be to get back on the Prozac. Everyone needs a little help sometime.

  47. Anya@IW says

    Garnet says…They are a burden on society from the moment they say, “I don’t believe in reduction.”  Perhaps those who are opposed to reduction should not be given the drugs that make this possible?  And, we MUST make them financially responsible before children are born.

    Well, if you mean a financial burden, that may be true in some cases. As for the Gosselins, however, I bet they have brought more tax revenue to the state then the minimal amount they may have taken in aid when the sextuplets were very young.

    I don’t really think it is practical to refuse  those who oppose reduction fertility drugs. I think those who want to get pregnant will simply deny they oppose reduction. And I don’t know how you make someone financially responsible. If you are going to do that though, I think Kate Gosselin should teach the class because she has done a wonderful job providing for her 8.

    Barbara, nicely said. We all need a little help sometimes – yes! Maybe Prozac isn’t the answer, but there are antidepressants out there that can help, along with therapy and whatever faith-based strategies the family wants to use. 

  48. Ann@IW says

    The trouble with all these multiple families is that they are not prepared (financially, emotionally, maritally, etc.) to deal with this invasion of babies.- Garnet

    ‘”Invasion of babies.”  It sounds like a horror film.  It’s so sad to me when children are treated like they are things or burdens.  They are people.

    Those who are opposed to reduction are usually religious and site moral reasons for keeping all the babies that “God” gave them.  They tend to forget the science involved and become emotional.

    Many people believe God is the Author of all things, including science.  These are not mutually-exclusive ideas.  In fact, many of these religious people are scientists!  (I have always lived with these brilliant, believing scientists.  In fact, I have a brother who is a chemical engineer and a priest.)  Most people understand why “reduction” is also an emotional as well as intellectual decision.  We are, after all, talking about children, desired and loved by parents.  There is a lot to be emotional about in such a decision for the tender-hearted.

    I don’t really think it is practical to refuse  those who oppose reduction fertility drugs.

    ITA!  Or legal!  Wouldn’t that be something…if doctors were forced to refuse one type of medical care to those who oppose another medical procedure on religious grounds?    So much for “choice” in that world!

  49. SheliaF says

    If Brian would just come out the closet and admit he is gay his anger would be less possibly    I watch the show and I can say without hesitation he is a jerk.   All the reasoning and sympathy, etc. doesn’t change the fact he is an angry jerk.

  50. lynne johnston says

    Bravo Garnet, I agree… I watched a few episodes and right away disliked Bryan…Jenny almost died after the c-section and this guy thinks everything is about him…my dad was a jerk at times and I learned not to do the same to my kids…there are no excuses for Bryans  behavior…I am so not surprised he was arrested…Jenny go as fast as you can away from this guy…he will never change.. he has a serious character flaw… a total sociopath… too bad you did not see it before you married….not surprised either he has no real job…it all goes back to the fact he is a sociopath and all that goes with that…don’t under estimate what he is capable of … get out now… some other fool will take care of him…he chose you because of your profession…much of his anger stems from the fact you now must take care of the children and he wants you to take care of him…good luck.. start with your family…don’t leave the people that can help you…I only saw you trying to do your best ..I saw Bryan only complaining…again good luck

  51. deb says

    Well we know that Bryan had guns in his van and took 3 kids out of the house and the Father in law was the one threatened. He had to get belligerent with the cops and then was asked to put his hands behind his back and then he crossed them in front of him and the police threatened to taser him. ONLY then did he allow the officers to arrest him. Cops never ever take someone with guns lightly.

    Jenny has always allowed him lots of leeway in his pouts and/or nasty behaviors. They both believe the idea that he is the “head/decider”. Unfortunately, for a bully like Bryan this plays into his ego/behaviors. All one has to see is the “moving” episode where he picks the worst house for SIX little kids, a house with 3 bodies of water and Jenny instantly has fears of the kids drowning-Bryan gets nasty with her and berates her for her fear of him watching the kids.

    This is the man who likes to nap when he is supposed to be helping and whines/yells/stomps/pouts when he doesn’t get to make all the diisions about the placement/choices in their household.

    Jen-hon,
    you can do A LOT better than this schmuck

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