Protestors Rally Against Obama’s Birth Control Mandate

Protestors collected on Capitol Hill, and all over the country, earlier this week to unite against one thing: President Obama’s proposed mandate that private health insurance policies must provide coverage for birth control. The protestors, apparently completely unaware of the many uses of birth control aside from contraception, believe the policy violates religious freedom.

This rally was associated with over 100 other rallies across the country with the same name. This issue has sparked a flux of religious leaders joining together in networks to unite against oppression of religious freedom. Believers from Orthodox Judaism, Mormonism, and Roman Catholicism all agree that by enacting this mandate, the Obama Administration is attacking religious freedom.

The debate began last year when the Obama Administration was advised by a panel from the Institute of Medicine to include contraception on the list of services that his healthcare plan would cover for women. Though he said he’d allow exceptions for religious organizations, this got both political and religious leaders to decry the exception for religious groups were too limited.

Obama attempted to appease the naysayers by making it so the insurance companies would pay for the employee’s birth control instead of the religious organizations. Bishops, among other leaders, don’t think that is enough to protect religious freedom. The law is still under debate and lawsuits have started in eight states over the issue.

Michele Bachmann, the state representative for Minnesota insinuated that Obama is liar for promising to uphold our Constitution during his inauguration and then turning around and trying to limit religious freedom. She says the heart of this issue isn’t protecting women’s health, rather protecting religious freedom. To a group of supporters, she claimed that Obama is requiring religious people and religious associations to break their beliefs with this health coverage requirement.

Leaders from pro-life groups, churches, and religious advancement organizations have been quick to point out that they believe Obama’s exceptions to the birth control mandate are shallow and an attack on religious freedom. The executive director of the New Jersey branch of the right-wing group Right to Life says that since birth control is already easily accessible and affordable, women’s health obviously isn’t the main issue.

A VP for Planned Parenthood said this follows suit with extremist groups’ history of sacrificing women’s health for their beliefs. She believes they hope to take a big step back when it comes to women’s health and equality in the healthcare system.

Access to affordable birth control is just as important to a woman’s health as something as simple as easily being able to find and know more about BV. Obama’s birth control mandate isn’t just about providing birth control to all women who want it, it’s about allowing women the opportunity to make choices about her health no matter who employs her. The heart of the issue isn’t only religious freedom.

 

Evan Fischer is a freelance writer and part-time student at California Lutheran University in Thousand Oaks, California.

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  1. Kmom2 says

    Obama has stated that “unfortunately” the way the Constitution is written prevents him from making the changes he would like to make in our country. If that isn’t blatant disrespect for our Constitution, I don’t know what is. With an attitude like that, I don’t know why he would feel it necessary to protect religious freedom either.

  2. Holly says

    As someone who has worked in the Insurance Industry for over ten years I can tell you first hand the problem with a “mandate”. You stated: “Obama attempted to appease the naysayers by making it so the insurance companies would pay for the employee’s birth control instead of the religious organizations”, is not accurate. The Insurance Companies won’t be paying the policyholders will with yet another increase! Where do people think the money comes from? In CA our new Insurance Commissioner decided that he did not want to wait until 2014 he is mandating that every Health Insurance Policy in CA cover Maternity so we are all sharing in the cost! In the last week I have had numerous Clients call me to either cancel or downgrade their Insurance (meaning going from unlimited doctor visits to only 3 visits a year or raising their deductibles to $5000 or even $7500) This mandate is causing the premiums to go up again and many people can no longer afford it. Why should I have to share the cost of another Woman’s Maternity expenses? Why should my 26 year old Son or any other person for that matter? The same is true for Birth Control, I am all in favor of Birth Control but why should I have to pay for someone else’s Birth Control and why should it be free?
    You also wrote: “The protestors, apparently completely unaware of the many uses of birth control aside from contraception, believe the policy violates religious freedom”. I am a very liberal person when it comes to most social issues but I think your glib comment about people who don’t agree with you is unfair. Just because someone has a religious opinion does not mean they are ignorant as your comment suggested. Even though I don’t agree with their beliefs I still try to be respectful!

  3. Samantha@IW says

    I think this is about the left pushing the idea of “the war on women”- and Obama being the “savior” of women’s “rights”. It is an election year…

    The people this policy is offending, were in all likelihood not supporters of Obama in the first place- so he isn’t really losing any votes. He is however gaining support from many women who might otherwise have been on the fence. That’s my meager opinion.

    I don’t understand why some things are covered by some insurance plans when birth control is not but I find it outrageous that they should be forced to do so by any President. I hope he is ousted in November or there will be no such thing as the “private sector”.

    That’s right Holly- it’s only ignorant if they are Christian or Jewish.

  4. Samantha@IW says

    Holly- I copied your statement:

    “Just because someone has a religious opinion does not mean they are ignorant as your comment suggested.”

    That’s what my last sentence was in reference to- not sure where it went!

  5. snickers says

    President Obama talks in circle, crosses the issues to confuse the public, then runs and blames others for his actions. I do pray that in Nov., the American voting machines gets it right. Send him home, to Chicago. His actions are hurting women, and sorry to say, we can see through him.

  6. says

    If you don’t think that there is a war on women, look at the Michigan legislature’s punitive actions towards female legislators who dare to use the word “vagina” on the floor of the legislature. Disgraceful and embarrassing.

  7. says

    Holly…The Insurance Companies won’t be paying the policyholders will with yet another increase!
    .
    Holly, I do agree with this. I appreciate the administration trying to come up with a compromise, but this is just silly and it doesn’t appear to placate the religious instiutions anyway.
    .
    Yes, Jennie “vagina” is now a SHAMEFUL word in Michigan. Or rather in the Michigan legislature. Now the representatives who dared to use that awful word are prohibited from speaking in the legislative chamber. These are the incidents that make me believe there is a real “war” (sorry, I know that is not the best word, but the alternatives I was coming up with aren’t any better) being perpetrated by *some* far right/anti woman groups.
    .
    One of the reasons that we have mandates is because insurance companies are always trying to get away with not covering things they promise to. If insurance companies would put ethics ahead of the almighty dollar, the government might not have to be so involved in keeping them in check.
    .
    Finally, I am sympathetic to those who have reservations due to religious objections. I think these institiutions should be able to bypass the requirement as long as they accept ZERO federal funding in any shape or form.

  8. stu says

    Anya
    Very thoughtful response. Mandates are a political tool to garner votes
    By the way there are idiots out there with stupid, idiotic views….but there is no war on women. It’s just a great headline.

  9. Holly says

    Anya wrote:
    “One of the reasons that we have mandates is because insurance companies are always trying to get away with not covering things they promise to”
    Anya, I am not a fan of the Insurance Companies but I have helped numerous Clients fight to get their claims paid and have corrected many situations where the Client felt they were “wronged”. I would like an example of something the Insurance Company promised to pay and then didn’t. I find the biggest problem is that the Health Insurance Policies are so wordy and contain so much “legal-eese” that most people never read their policies and just assume that things are covered when they are not. It is a shame that the Health Care Bill has made it impossible for Insurance Agents who have to go through schooling and on-going continuing education and have to be licensed by their State can no longer earn a living in their profession. The Agent is the “go-between” between the Client and the Insurance Company making sure they do understand their policy and no Government Clerk will be able to advocate for the Client like a professional can!

  10. MarieS says

    Holly –
    Hospitals are struggling to stay profitable. Doctors are denying care to patients without insurance in order to stay solvent. The only part of healthcare that is making real money right now are insurance companies. They are turning in record profits.

    That tells me that insurance companies are charging too much for insurance or paying too little on claims. Forget regulating healthcare – let’s regulate insurance companies.

  11. Holly says

    Marie,
    I agree with you. The Health Insurance Companies are still doing well as they keep increasing the premiums! It is definitely not the Family Doctors or Internists who are benefiting from this and not the Insurance Agents either. One way to lower then premiums ins to encourage more not less competition. Let companies sell across state lines and fight for the business. Tort Reform would definitely lower the costs because the companies wouldn’t have to spend so much on Legal Fees and insuring against lawsuits. Get rid of these Junk Science Class Action Lawsuits(the kind that made John Edwards a multi-millionaire). Of course that was nowhere to be found in the Health Care Bill!

  12. stu says

    The elephant in the room that no one wants to address are the treatment of illegals that use the system. Control that and money comes back into the system. Hospitals MUST treat illegals when the show up at the emergency room for routine visits.

  13. MarieS says

    Stu –
    Because there is no system that requires insurance coverage we have no idea how much we spend on illegals versus the huge number of legal citizens without coverage that only get healthcare from emergency rooms. I would like to see a mandate if for no other reason than we can quantify where the healthcare money is going . But without a government option we would all be at the mercy of large insurance companies that would see this as an opportunity for even more profit.

  14. stu says

    Wait a second…..it’s OK to take care of illegals because US CITIZENS who lack insurance use the ER too? Shouldn’t we take care of our own first? The illegal issue in CA if it were dealt with might save the State from going under. Just can’t keep ignoring it. A Rand Corp. study published in 2008 in the Journal Health Affairs put the cost of health care for illegal immigrants at 1.1 billion excluding those under 18 and over 64. You don’t need a mandate to figure that out.

  15. MarieS says

    Stu –
    No, we don’t know how much of our $ goes to illegals and how much goes to citizens. When you don’t pay you don’t often give the correct name. You never give your real SSN. There is no way to quantify who is using the facilities. You need to mandate all citizens have coverage. Then noncitizens will be the only ones with an issue. Hospitals estimate the cost for illegals at 16% of the total cost for uninsured. So it is billions but nothing compared to what we pay for citizens.

  16. says

    Marie, the obvious solution for a civilized nation: throw the undocumented out in the streets and let them die. Even the children. We can’t afford to spend money on them – we need that for all of the senseless wars we want to pursue.

  17. Holly says

    Jennie,
    Where in this discussion did anyone say this?
    “Marie, the obvious solution for a civilized nation: throw the undocumented out in the streets and let them die. Even the children. We can’t afford to spend money on them – we need that for all of the senseless wars we want to pursue”.
    We were talking about how Mandates are raising the Health Care Costs and the fact that Illegal Immigrants are adding to that costs. Of course not one person on this Board would want anyone to be thrown into the street, especially children to die! Also, we were talking about State issues such as the CA Mandate to add Maternity which is driving the premiums significantly (just ask any of our Clients) and that money has nothing to do with the War! Why can’t we just have a civil discussion without the prejudice and slurs about those that don’t agree with your “agenda”. This week alone I have had three people flat out cancel their Health Insurance because it is “cost prohibitive”! What’s your answer to that?

  18. Kmom2 says

    Holly….it must be so scarey for those people to cancel their health insurance. I really feel for them.

    But I don’t understand why we owe undocumented people anything. We wouldn’t get anything from their governments if the tables were turned and we were in their country illegally. I just don’t get how liberals think that government should be the end all, be all to EVERYONE. SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR THOSE SERVICES!!!!

  19. says

    Of course not one person on this Board would want anyone to be thrown into the street, especially children to die!

    Oh, really? I think there are people who would be utterly indifferent.

    There have been plenty of comments on this thread so far that have not been civil. I was just called an idiot, despite the fact that my original comment was not directed specifically at any person here. This p/a bull is why it’s hardly worth the time to bother to post here.

    The fact is that there are people who begrudge every dime that goes to a social service in this country while never even looking at the huge cost of prosecuting wars and of maintaining an enormous military. It wasn’t that obscure of a connection to make.

  20. says

    We wouldn’t get anything from their governments if the tables were turned and we were in their country illegally. I just don’t get how liberals think that government should be the end all, be all to EVERYONE. SOMEONE HAS TO PAY FOR THOSE SERVICES!!!!

    First of all, what other governments would do is not the issue in my mind. I never understand the conservative attitude that we should only hold ourselves to as high a standard as those we consider ourselves better than: “well, country x would torture our citizen under these circumstances, so it’s okay to torture their citizen.” I guess I just don’t understand not having an innate sense of morality, of right and wrong.

    It’s not that I think the government should be the “end all”, but again, I go to the practical issue: you have a child brought to the emergency room, undocumented, without insurance, in need of urgent medical care. What do you do? Turn them away?

  21. stu says

    Once again you are seeing things that are not there. You were not called an idiot but your comment was idiotic. Yes Jennie in your world us uncaring conservatives want children to die , streams to be polluted and only liberals to die of second hand smoke…..oh I forgot….drown in our 64oz soda’s.

  22. snickers says

    Jennie,

    Our massive so called military that you are talking about is being cut back everyday and benefits are being taken away from those who have served for yours and mine freedoms. When other countries have called for military backup with problems in their countries, should we say no, let your people die, which include women and children murdered. We have saved many countries from slaughter, yet, illegals can come here and just take over. Sorry, but law is the law. This country was built on a Constitution and Obama thinks he can just change it at his whim. Social programs were started for people in great need, now it’s become a way of life for many.

  23. snickers says

    Jennie,

    Your health care drama is a reach. I waited in the ER for over 3 hours with someone, and guess who was ahead of us. Illegals with knife wounds, no insurance, kids screaming and police officers. They were treated, arrested in the ER, and out the door went their families. Don’t kid me, they are treated and cared for without insurance, but people that do have insurance, wait their turn in line. They are not thrown out in the streets, and to tell others otherwise, is just a false statement on anyone’s part. They are not turned away, but I should not have to pay their bill either.

  24. Kmom2 says

    Why can’t they become legal and PAY for insurance like the rest???? Torture is a pretty far reach to compare with medical care. Drama, drama, drama…..

    If there is any group in this country that should NEVER have to pay for medical care, it’s our military and veterans. These people sacrifice so much and live at poverty levels which is disgusting in my opinion.

  25. Kmom2 says

    “Social programs were started for people in great need, now it’s become a way of life for many.”

    AMEN!

  26. says

    snickers, your post #28 is a simplistic appeal emotion. Plenty of countries do fine with their freedoms (though it seems many conservatives are ignorant of this, believing the US alone is a free nation) without a massive military. It’s part and parcel of conservative doctrine that we are forever threatened by those who “hate us for our freedom.” As Maslow said, when all you have is a hammer, every problem becomes a nail.

    It’s also incredibly simplistic to suggest that our intervention in other countries is done for benevolent or humanitarian reasons (furthermore, conservatives as well as liberals will often argue AGAINST U.S. intervention in other countries, even to save innocent lives, because they believe that U.S. citizens/soldiers should not risk their lives for non-Americans). Show me how the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have made the world a better/safer place, while they’ve killed Americans as well as countless natives of those countries, and cost billions of dollars.

    Also, I never suggested cutting veterans’ benefits, and that’s ANOTHER thing that has been advocated by the conservatives, because the only thing they like more than an American in a uniform is holding onto every red cent they can.

    We have saved many countries from slaughter, yet, illegals can come here and just take over.

    The two parts of your sentence have nothing to do with each other. The “illegals” don’t generally come from all these countries we’ve supposedly saved from slaughter, do they? When you say “take over”, what do you mean?

    This country was built on a Constitution and Obama thinks he can just change it at his whim.

    Again, there are plenty of documented instances of conservatives attempting to change the Constitution (presumably not on a “whim”, though I doubt Obama is so cavalier in his intentions, either).

    Social programs were started for people in great need, now it’s become a way of life for many.

    What does Jesus say in the Bible? “The poor will always be with us.” We have not yet successfully addressed the root causes of poverty in this country. Some people use social programs for a time and then are able to get on their feet. Some people are doing fine, going along in the middle class until a catastrophe hits and then they need social programs. Some people are born on welfare and die on welfare. The last instance is very regrettable, and we should try to change it. But it’s a terribly complex problem; it’s not as simple as “these people are lazy” or as simple as throwing them off the welfare rolls and making them fend for themselves.

  27. Marnie says

    On this subject, I am very gladi am Canadian.

    Americans, IN MY OPINION, place far too much importance on appeasing religious institutions. If there was true separation of church and state, women’s contraception and fertility issues would not be up for debate, nor would any kind of marriage.

  28. says

    Your health care drama is a reach. I waited in the ER for over 3 hours with someone, and guess who was ahead of us. Illegals with knife wounds, no insurance, kids screaming and police officers. They were treated, arrested in the ER, and out the door went their families. Don’t kid me, they are treated and cared for without insurance, but people that do have insurance, wait their turn in line.

    What is your point? (And how do you know these people were here illegally?) So, under the current system, they were cared for, but under your ideal system, they would be allowed to die? Except when I suggest that’s the case, I get called an idiot. Are you saying that you’re okay with them being treated but as an American with insurance you should get to go first? Because that seems like sort of a dangerous precedent, taking people in the order of financial resources rather than need. I mean, is that much better if they die in the waiting room of blood loss (rather than actually being thrown out into the street) while you’re being treated for a splinter in your finger?

    They are not thrown out in the streets, and to tell others otherwise, is just a false statement on anyone’s part.

    Oh, now I see – you simply misread what I wrote. I just went back and read it, and it was entirely clear, so I’m sure it was just a matter of you reading too fast or something. I did not say that such people ARE thrown out in the street; I’m saying that according to some they SHOULD be.

    They are not turned away, but I should not have to pay their bill either.

    So you’re okay with them being treated, but then what? They should pay their own bills, of course, but if they don’t have money….? I can’t tell if you’re just complaining or you have an actual solution. But I do sympathize. There are SO many things that I pay taxes for that I’d rather not, starting with all of those wars! Also, abstinence-only sex education that doesn’t work and is taught with religious components in violation of the separation of church and state (actually, I don’t know that I pay for that, since I think it’s a state thing and I don’t think California has such programs, but if federal funds go to those sorts of programs, I definitely resent having to pay for them!). There are tons and tons of things I don’t feel like I should have to pay for.

    But what are you going to do? We all pay taxes for things we approve of and things we don’t approve of. We have to take care of some in our society and maybe someday if we need it, we’ll be taken care of in turn. It’s part of BEING a society, which at its base has some socialist elements that no doubt make conservatives queasy. The alternatives as I see it: 1) become a hermit/anti-government radical holed up in the backcountry refusing to pay taxes and fending for oneself entirely or 2) anarchy. I’m not big on anarchy, but if any conservative/tea partier wants to withdraw from society ala 1), I am more than fine with that. I won’t miss them.

  29. snickers says

    Jennie,

    911, least we forget, enough said.

    The Bible also says, teach a man to fish———.

    Obama, throws something out, hopeing to get something to stick, failure!

  30. says

    Marnie, totally agree with your post #33. It’s very frustrating to be held hostage to beliefs I don’t share, especially in a country where my alleged freedom of religion includes freedom FROM religion (and I have nothing against religion or religious people; I just don’t want their beliefs to dictate my rights).

  31. snickers says

    Jennie,

    If they are illegals, stay in their own country, let their health care provide for them. Do you think their countries would give you free health care? Sorry, I’ve been around the health care system a lot over the past 20 years, and we have a free clinic here that will take all the illegals, it is even advertised in the paper here. Itis federally funded by the Gov. Of course we all pay taxes, but instead of complaining, I have stood up to some hot issues and put my support behind some of them that are being abused. You don’t have to agree, but I am hopeful a solution is being worked on. Sitting and doing nothing will never resolve the problem. See, being bullied by the left for so long, has finally made me, who I also considered myself a moderate, to stand up and say enough. The future generations will be paying the bills, and I feel as an adult, I should be concerned what happens. If you feel that conservatives are taking away the social dollars, feel free to write a check to them.

  32. snickers says

    Jennie,

    911 started many problems for many of those countries. I’m not a military expert, I just want our wounded to be treated with the best medical care that we can give them.

  33. HB says

    ‘idiotic’…’simplistic’? LOVELY swipes…NOT!

    Jennie, I’d be interested in your tutorial re. Iraq being the WRONG war. Just as I’d be interested in re. to Iran-China-Syria-Russia having joint ‘war games’. Why are WE ramping up troops in Iraq/Kuwait?

    As for illegal aliens…since when is dumbing down American citizenship a RIGHT for those who KNOWINGLY trash our country’s laws? (Obama can MANDATE healthcare for citizens…but illegals?)

  34. Samantha@IW says

    Also, I never suggested cutting veterans’ benefits, and that’s ANOTHER thing that has been advocated by the conservatives, because the only thing they like more than an American in a uniform is holding onto every red cent they can.

    So loving and appreciating our servicemen and women who have sacrificed so much is…. what exactly? Yes, us money grubbing conservatives and our crazy ideas that we should get to keep our money. The thing libs seem to forget is that the money has to come from somewhere. There are no money trees that I’m aware of. Not all or even most conservatives are the rich “fat cats” libs seem to imagine us to be. I want everyone to have health care. I don’t want anyone to be turned away- American, Mexican, or Martian- but some of the people can’t support all the people.

  35. Kmom2 says

    Where to get the money to pay for all these free services is a minor detail libs can’t be bothered with. I truly believe they think money trees do exist.

  36. Annie says

    When you people add name tags to the tax payers in this country as “libs” you are completely obliterating any point you are trying to make. If you can’t discuss a topic without attaching derogatory name tags to anyone not agreeing with you 100% you are adding to the problem in the United States. We have enough of that in congress. Your negativity is the only thing coming through. As always in the good USA, the other guy is wrong and I am right and that is all that is important. “I am number one in my book and that is all that matters” from people who call themselves christians. SAD

  37. Annie says

    I have read here for a long time, and loved Sageway Express. I have to say though you sound kind of like the other sites with your finger pointing and name calling. How does it make you feel that you belittle someone for not being of your belief, but chastise others doing the same thing. All Americans get a say, not just those who stomp their feet and say “I am more important because I can scream louder than you”. Living in unity with diversity is what makes this country unique. Forcing everyone to believe the same is a dictatorship, is that what you want here? Doesn’t that sound like another site familiar to these bloggers?

  38. Pam@IW says

    Annie,

    There are a few people on this thread that have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. None. They do not and have never participated in anything Gosselin related and most likely don’t even know who they are.

    State your opinion. Have a discussion. But leave the Gosselin drama out of this thread.

  39. Pam@IW says

    And by the way…..there are several people also on this thread that are Jewish. Is there someone on this thread calling themselves Christians? Or are they just trying to post an opinion and have a discussion?

  40. HB says

    Annie, I have to say what does Sageway Express or ‘another familiar site’ have to do w. political commentary? (‘Why can’t we all just get along?’ RIP Rodney King.)

    Evan Fischer wrote an opinion piece…& opinions aren’t molded to one IW code that I am aware of.

  41. Pam@IW says

    Sage is still a very good friend of mine but I had no idea where that came from either. I read at Sage’s also, Annie, but it must have been a different Sageway Express than where you read because there were plenty of heated discussions that went on there that also involved finger pointing and name calling. I am guessing you agreed with what was being said there and so it didn’t bother you so much.

    That being said, although I was not participating in this thread, I was enjoying the discussion and different opinions being expressed regardless of where their opinion fell in the political debate. I always take something away from these discussions even if my belief is different.

  42. Kmom2 says

    I do not think very little of anyone that disagrees with me, or has a different opinion. Too many today think it is their way or the highway and refuse to listen. I have been listening however I still think i’s a matter of right vs wrong and I strongly believe that the government can’t and SHOULDN’T provide everything for all people. It’s simply not even slightly logical. Where is the money going to come from?? And I agree wholeheartedly with Samantha. Social programs were put in place for those in need but for thousands, they have become a way of life and that needs to be stopped.

  43. Annie says

    Never read at any other site, never will. I was not referring to anything Gosselin, don’t know where that came from. I was referring to the political vitriol as a rule, and the comments here referring to different sides as “libs”, or “cons”. Thanks for proving my point though. I was a huge fan of all the bloggers back to Radar, and am sorry to say this is not the open minded site I thought it was. I am just a small town nurse from the midwest and thought I would share how some of the posts come across to others not here constantly. Don’t worry, I won’t be back.

  44. Pam@IW says

    Annie,

    You brought up the Sageway Express, you stated “Doesn’t that sound like another site familiar to these bloggers?”…. You also stated “I have to say though you sound kind of like the other sites with your finger pointing and name calling.” Now you mention Radar.

    I apologize for assuming you were comparing the people commenting here to something going on elsewhere with the Gosselins but all things pointed to that.

  45. says

    I lost my comment! And it was a FABULOUS comment. It would have brought peace and accord to the whole issue…you would have all politely asked the President to back off and respect the Religious Freedom clause of the 1st Amendment had you read it!

    I’ll try again after I finish cutting the grass.

  46. Samantha@IW says

    Annie, I’m not sure why the term “libs” bothered you so much. The person I was talking to is in fact a liberal and very proudly so, she is also my friend. My comment was in direct response to her comment about conservatives. And no I do not expect everyone to believe the same thing- that’s why I and everyone else here is allowed to comment and respond to comments. It’s a discussion.

    Ann-
    I’m sure your comment was fabulous! I’m sorry it was lost. Looking forward to reading it ;)

  47. Kmom2 says

    “You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by encouraging class hatred. You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn. You cannot build character and courage by taking away man’s initiation and independence. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.” Abraham Lincoln

  48. says

    If they are illegals, stay in their own country, let their health care provide for them.

    Okay, putting aside that it’s kind of simplistic to tell them to “stay in their own country”, what about children who are brought here and get sick? What do they do? WHy should they be punished for decisions they had no part in?

    Do you think their countries would give you free health care?

    Which countries are you talking about? There are almost 200 countries in the world; I’m sure policies differ widely on offering health care. I don’t doubt that there are many countries that would give me free health care.

    Sorry, I’ve been around the health care system a lot over the past 20 years, and we have a free clinic here that will take all the illegals, it is even advertised in the paper here. Itis federally funded by the Gov. Of course we all pay taxes, but instead of complaining, I have stood up to some hot issues and put my support behind some of them that are being abused. You don’t have to agree, but I am hopeful a solution is being worked on. Sitting and doing nothing will never resolve the problem.

    I’m not opposed to a solution; I just doubt we have the same ideas about what constitutes a solution. For me a pie-in-the-sky solution would be certain countries becoming more stable and wealthier, so that there citizens didn’t feel compelled to leave everything behind and start a new life somewhere else.

    See, being bullied by the left for so long, has finally made me, who I also considered myself a moderate, to stand up and say enough.

    Bullied by the left? How so? (You don’t appear to be a moderate by my standards, but that’s neither here nor there.)

    The future generations will be paying the bills, and I feel as an adult, I should be concerned what happens. If you feel that conservatives are taking away the social dollars, feel free to write a check to them.

    How about you pay for all the wars and I’ll pay for the poor children to get a free lunch and medical care? :-)

  49. says

    911 started many problems for many of those countries. I’m not a military expert, I just want our wounded to be treated with the best medical care that we can give them.

    Well, I don’t even want them to be wounded in the first place, so I’m ahead of you.

  50. says

    So loving and appreciating our servicemen and women who have sacrificed so much is…. what exactly? Yes, us money grubbing conservatives and our crazy ideas that we should get to keep our money. The thing libs seem to forget is that the money has to come from somewhere. There are no money trees that I’m aware of. Not all or even most conservatives are the rich “fat cats” libs seem to imagine us to be. I want everyone to have health care. I don’t want anyone to be turned away- American, Mexican, or Martian- but some of the people can’t support all the people.

    Sam, you’re missing my point – I’ve said before and I’ll say AGAIN that I’m not talking about taking away services from veterans. Cutting military spending does not equal cutting spending for vets. Google will tell you that Republicans are at least as fond, if not more so, of cutting spending for veterans services.

    I don’t think all Republicans are rich – far from it. I also don’t think that all Democrats are unrealistic about resources or think money grows on trees. Cutting military spending would be the place to start balancing the budget and cutting the deficit, IMO.

    BTW, I was doing a bit of research and came across this article (it’s almost a year old) that lays out “blame” for our current financial situation:

    http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-07-11/news/30013193_1_budget-deficit-government-spending-tax-collections

    I thought it was interesting. I’m not familiar with the Business Insider except for the name, but I somehow doubt it’s some commie pinko rag.

  51. says

    That Lincoln quote is a fake according to Snopes. I got the feeling it was when I got to the part about “class hatred.” It sounds very Ayn Rand-ish to me (“pull yourself up by your bootstraps!” “survival of the fittest!”), but Snopes says it was adapted by a speech by some dude named William Boetcker.

    Heaven protect me from people who post stupid, simplistic, cheesy quotes on FB.

  52. says

    You know, if the 1st Amendment would be respected and the religious liberty exemptions are honored in Catholic hospitals allowing them to operate freely and in peace, well then you can send all those ill immigrant children to the Catholic hospitals- it would also violate consciences not to treat them there.

  53. Samantha@IW says

    Jennie, I wasn’t suggesting you were for cutting services for veterans… I was just befuddled by your comment that the only thing conservatives love more than an american in uniform is money.

    I haven’t read the article you posted yet but I know we are in trillions and trillions of debt to foreign countries. Government has to reign in spending and I don’t believe the military is the place to start.

  54. Kmom2 says

    I don’t think the quote was cheesy or simplistic at all. No matter, there’s a lot of truth to it I believe. Cheesy and simplistic is thinking the government OWES it’s citizens and illegals medical care, schooling, or any other social services for LIFE. These things aren’t free and thinking they should be is cheesy and simplistic, IMO.

  55. Brandy says

    I wonder if anyone has done any research showing whether insurance coverage for birth control leads to a substantial reduction in unplanned pregnancies. Unplanned pregnancies taken to term do cost insurance companies money especially for high risk populations. On last season of q6 and pregnant, a teen hadn’t had birth control because of one of these policies that dont cover it. I think requiring free contraception turns the issue into more of a hot button. Just have them funded at the same rate as other drugs on a plan. If a doctor in a particular setting is opposed to prescribing them, a patient can choose to see someone else. A person also has the right not to take it. It also would be available to treat the other health conditions that it is needed for.
    I tend to not lean too much toward one political party or another. I just hate seeing waste and pennywise, but pound foolish practices.

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